Stolen Land

[Nekoborg]

Should Native Americans have their their ancestral tribal lands returned to them?

If so how do you propose this be done?



Not all land of America was occupied or in use by Native Americans when Europeans settled the "New World" and such areas would be kept by non Native Americans.

[kbiz]

We are never giving anything back. Stop whining. Anything productive going on in this social sciences thread?

[kbiz]

How do you define ownership. Just ask Europe. Who owned what first.

[Dutchgamer1982]

Publicado originalmente por Acetyl:

It's necessary to factor in the role of genetics in psychological profiles. Native Americans are not mongoloid, nor are they white in the sense of the Russians obviously, and they aren't black either. Therefore organization and what a population wants will differ, particularly with respect to handouts and "reparations" (with strings attached). One has to wonder if portions of the original seed populations ever migrated in the ways implied by the mainstream models, at all. Regardless. The thread topic is made as though you're looking at a zoo animal, "what should we give to it". A very God-like perspective. What is it which is, what is it which should have been, how will I end the world and make it anew, as it ought to have been? What shall I give unto them, to make them whole again? How will I bring about the repair of the world?

Meanwhile, while people muse, no one asks the remnants of the tribes nor their mixed and unmixed descendants. You never see this come up. It's like thinking about whether your dog wants turkey flavor food, or beef, or perhaps he would prefer grain slop? He is mute, he is a dog... we cannot know, I will have to think about this... hmm...

indians are also called ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
(with asians being called yellow, we white and others black... it's the ones in between like indians, and hispanics that would be hard to call any of those 4)

but whatever you call them.. many millenia alone on 2 continents, has given them quite the unique genome.. even if they likely are a mix of peoples who in steps came from :

group 1 france/iberia/doggerland/england, europe.. the first wave.. but small in number... early europeans,.. before immigration waves from anatolia that brought farming..

group 2.. the forefather of both aino and many groups like germans ans slavs that later moved to europe... one group moved to europe one down to asia.. only in asia most of them are displaced... aino and a few other minorities the last remnant of once what would be most of asia..
by crossing the beering strait landbridge

group 3 polynesians.. while likely only 40.000 of them at best moved there... they did leave a marker on those in south america..

the mixture of these 3 influxes are what pre-contact indians are made off.

that said.. indians were known to absorb europeans in their tribe.. and those were seen as fully indian.. so like romans once did.. indians did not have a concept of race as such.. but of culture... thus if you destroyed their culture (like the reeducation schools did) to them you genocide them.

[Acetyl]

Publicado originalmente por kbiz:

We are never giving anything back. Stop whining. Anything productive going on in this social sciences thread?

The whole "giving" "back" aspect is a key part of the poison, forced into the public consciousness. Might makes right. And so far as I've seen it's not native tribes that start this stuff anyway. It's simply a narrative tool for the predator-parasite class.

Try to reprogram the "white middle class" to see themselves as inherent oppressor that need to lose everything. Try to reprogram another group as the taker. Then splinter, one larger portion says leave me alone, a small vocal minority is propped up as the face of the others and used by the media.

[Conor McNegor]

No and this logic would also apply to a lot of countries all over the world

[WhispersOfTheWind]

I'm not sure if that is possible for instance seeing as a lot of I assume nature is now gone but also the idea that the people who came there also shed a lot of blood for the land and also amongst which infighting was a thing or an issue like an occurrence that happened I would say if possible why not maybe share it? Share the land, where everyone could get opportunities of I think at least existing.

Seeing how for instance that land has been used or at least in the sense of what it has brought forth into the world, I think a lot of us make use of is kind of interesting because it might then not be totally self serving because of this, or that it has like gone to waste?

I understand how many places have been occupied in the past but to be honest I hardly can see them returned to their "rightful owners" and even then does that mean that all other places on Earth that have been occupied one or the other time should be returned and then to whom and where are all the people supposed to go that inhabit now those places?

Wouldn't it be strange to see on top of that like huge places be unoccupied, where no one lives?

"Thousands of People Used to Live Here. Now It's a Ghost Town."

I sometimes like to think that this is a thing of the past though and that such things don't happen or won't happen anymore but who knows what the future will bring because none of us can look into it deep enough to truly tell.

I am not saying that it's just all right but it did happen and I think that even today if people tried to stake claim onto these lands that probably woudln't go good for them because people who are there now would surely fight for these lands same as people who lived on them before did.

[Dutchgamer1982]

to lighten the mood...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY
(this land is mine;))

[PINGAS]

Publicado originalmente por Nekoborg:

Should Native Americans have their their ancestral tribal lands returned to them?

If so how do you propose this be done?



Not all land of America was occupied or in use by Native Americans when Europeans settled the "New World" and such areas would be kept by non Native Americans.

I'm Native, no. No take-backsies.

[Chunk Norris ☯]

I do know that the memes of the Pro-Indian Facebook/Social Media pages have taken a major dark turn in the last year or so, they went from talking about taking land meme's, to meme's about killing people.

[Ulfrinn]

Publicado originalmente por PINGAS:

Publicado originalmente por Nekoborg:

Should Native Americans have their their ancestral tribal lands returned to them?

If so how do you propose this be done?



Not all land of America was occupied or in use by Native Americans when Europeans settled the "New World" and such areas would be kept by non Native Americans.

I'm Native, no. No take-backsies.

You're telling me you don't want to live in some white-guilt stricken liberals stereotypical idea of how you should live? But they've put a lot of thought into this. They spent their enormous amounts of free time thinking up what is best for you. Can you really say no?

[PINGAS]

Publicado originalmente por Ulfrinn:

Publicado originalmente por PINGAS:

I'm Native, no. No take-backsies.

You're telling me you don't want to live in some white-guilt stricken liberals stereotypical idea of how you should live? But they've put a lot of thought into this. They spent their enormous amounts of free time thinking up what is best for you. Can you really say no?

Reading comprehension.

[doug]

Publicado originalmente por chima:

Publicado originalmente por Snow ☯:

The woke try to do the same thing to American culture, are the woke- guilty of a genocide?

Shoot the LGQBT try to do the same with straight culture, is that genocide?

Is genocide so meaningless that it'll become a catch-all for anytime someone does something we disagree with?

wtf is this post LOL
do you know what genocide is

This guy you're arguing is not worth your time. He is one of the many regular users here regularly posting fascist propaganda. He will deny that there was a genocide in Canada.

[doug]

Publicado originalmente por Acetyl:

Publicado originalmente por kbiz:

We are never giving anything back. Stop whining. Anything productive going on in this social sciences thread?

The whole "giving" "back" aspect is a key part of the poison, forced into the public consciousness. Might makes right. And so far as I've seen it's not native tribes that start this stuff anyway. It's simply a narrative tool for the predator-parasite class.

Try to reprogram the "white middle class" to see themselves as inherent oppressor that need to lose everything. Try to reprogram another group as the taker. Then splinter, one larger portion says leave me alone, a small vocal minority is propped up as the face of the others and used by the media.

Sounds like you're another shill for the great replacement theory.

[Dutchgamer1982]

Publicado originalmente por doug:

Publicado originalmente por chima:

wtf is this post LOL
do you know what genocide is

This guy you're arguing is not worth your time. He is one of the many regular users here regularly posting fascist propaganda. He will deny that there was a genocide in Canada.

I am sometimes framed for racist views... (I disagree, I have conservative vieuws, and those are by wokers sometimes framed as such).. but what was done to the indians was shamefull.. those schools in canada a very very dark chapter.. much too recent for comfort..

[Lunar Fang]

Does anyone remember what happened to land o lakes.

We kept the land and got rid of the Indian.