Stolen Land

[Nekoborg]

Should Native Americans have their their ancestral tribal lands returned to them?

If so how do you propose this be done?



Not all land of America was occupied or in use by Native Americans when Europeans settled the "New World" and such areas would be kept by non Native Americans.

[eram]

引用自 𝕽enegat：

There aren't as many natives as there once were. I would have personally idealised such a cooperation strategy during the earlier stages of colonisation, when the idea might have been more mutually feasible, but to move all those 'Muricans somewhere else—if anyplace were to accept them—would cost an impossible amount of resources and economy, and many of them would reject it without the government stepping in and doing what they do best when they're wearing their steel boots.

With the size of their growing population and the massive influx of immigration, the colonists will not be leaving anytime soon. Their state government is too indebted to even consider such an impractical plan, and the planet is too small to support a massive relocation. I will reiterate that I do not support these oppressive removal ideals of colonists; it is, better yet, far too late for such a concept at this point. Whatever enclave the natives still have, they should vehemently hold onto it. The colonists are there to stay, as they have long since established themselves in those ex-native lands to have any feasible prospect of doable cooperation.

引用自 eram：

all humans have to give the land back to the plants, trees and animals that were there before them

We didn't arrive here in space ships, dummy.

not everything is for us

[L1qu1dator]

Yeah, like that could ever happen...

[ZZZZZ]

maybe if they can gather an army the can try to get it back

[Good Night Owl]

As if government is above doing something like that again, then telling everyone how tragic it all was later on.

[Moogal™]

Yes, imo.

[Your_White_Knight]

引用自 Γαῖα：

引用自 Your_White_Knight：

No

And that's the end of that.... at some time someone took someone else's land... even Native American Indians did it to each other... that's how life goes.

Feuding indigenous peoples is a far cry from getting on a boat and travelling 5000 miles as is the train of thought " well they weren't using it all".
The history of the americas is old, rich and its fair to say would have evolved without the intervention of Europeans.

In todays modern world would Americans accept fair play if China came and took theirs or vice versa.

While its impracticable to pay the price for ancestors or impossible to undo the past, let the species not forget the many many lost peoples along the way in the sole pursuit for an empire.

No it's not "fair to say"... that's dreaming and speculating on an epic scale. Not to mention it's not ( and documented as not ) "feuding" like two neighbors complaining to each other who side of the yard the fallen tree is and who should clean it up... some tribes did Ethnocide just as anyone else that came along later.. and totally wiped each other out if they could. The whole lie of "everyone was "peaceful" before the white man came" is a lie and a proven one.

And nobody is "undo(ing) the past" by giving the land back... the past still is the past and it can't be undone or "compensated for"... keep your white guilt to yourself.

Finally the people coming to America ( and if you actually DID pay attention to history class ) weren't just "train of thought well they weren't using it all" they were ~escaping persecution~ in their own country and were trying to find a place for a better life...

I always found it funny and yet sad that people who are so "pro-immigration" and cry about how the people "just want a better life here because of how they had it where they were" and want open borders ~NOW~ are the same ones that cry and complain about ancient Colonialists doing the same thing back then... Colonialists just wanted a better place to live.

Talk about hypocrisy, these arguments seem more about skin color then the actions they take

[Garbanzo]

https://youtu.be/z8Q-sRdV7SY?t=103

[DoomsDay]

united states of American is not stolen land, it is where the dream comes true.

[Zeno]

引用自 DoomsDay：

united states of American is not stolen land, it is where the dream comes true.

The dream of diabetes, unemployment and getting mowed down by an active shooter in walmart.

[DoomsDay]

引用自 Javelin92：

引用自 DoomsDay：

united states of American is not stolen land, it is where the dream comes true.

The dream of diabetes, unemployment and getting mowed down by an active shooter in walmart.

I only said that, for the police to take a look later,

[L1qu1dator]

"Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee" is a cool movie btw.

[Zeno]

引用自 DoomsDay：

引用自 Javelin92：

The dream of diabetes, unemployment and getting mowed down by an active shooter in walmart.

I only said that, for the police to take a look later,

Ah. So you get a golden ticket with the big brother.

[Pronoun Paladin ☯]

引用自 Javelin92：

引用自 DoomsDay：

united states of American is not stolen land, it is where the dream comes true.

The dream of diabetes, unemployment and getting mowed down by an active shooter in walmart.

Except people do vote to get those dreams in America. If you voted for Joe or Democrats guess what, this is what happens with their policies. Enjoy them, they're voting karma.

Major cities like Chicago, they have a mass shooting every-weekend because they support the law policies that enable that type of behavior.

Look at the stole land idea...is giving large areas of land to people going to do anything good? Is the conversation about giving Indians land that isn't there, that they don't deserve to them simply because of their race going to do any benefits or is it just going to generate racism.

[DoomsDay]

引用自 Javelin92：

引用自 DoomsDay：

I only said that, for the police to take a look later,

Ah. So you get a golden ticket with the big brother.

I mean, when me and my delusion all went down, police should know what I was thinking.

[Zeno]

引用自 Snow ☯：

引用自 Javelin92：

The dream of diabetes, unemployment and getting mowed down by an active shooter in walmart.

Except people do vote to get those dreams in America. If you voted for Joe or Democrats guess what, this is what happens with their policies. Enjoy them, they're voting karma.

Major cities like Chicago, they have a mass shooting every-weekend because they support the law policies that enable that type of behavior.

Look at the stole land idea...is giving large areas of land to people going to do anything good? Is the conversation about giving Indians land that isn't there, that they don't deserve to them simply because of their race going to do any benefits or is it just going to generate racism.

I am not American nor would I ever be drunk enough to vote for someone like Joe Biden.

Trump all the way.