What the heck is going on in Arkansas? child labour laws

[craigsters]

Under the Youth Hiring Act of 2023, children under 16 don't have to get the Division of Labor's permission to be employed. The state also no longer has to verify the age of those under 16 before they take a job. The law doesn't change the hours or kinds of jobs kids can work

Arkansas Gov. Sanders signs a law that makes it easier to employ children


https://www.npr.org/2023/03/10/1162531885/arkansas-child-labor-law-under-16-years-old-sarah-huckabee-sanders#:~:text=Under%20the%20Youth%20Hiring%20Act%20of%202023%2C%20children%20under%2016,of%20jobs%20kids%20can%20work.

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And how well we know if the cashier at McD's or any other fast food joint is employing 12 year olds or younger?

[Dom]

Origineel geplaatst door Snow ☯:

Origineel geplaatst door Dom:

But reflecting those past accomplishments to something that exists today, 100+ years later, is in vast majority of cases simply dishonest.

We're not just talking about 100 years ago. Joe Biden 1994 Crime Bill targeted crimes committed by black people and gave those crimes much larger prison sentences. In all fairness it was supported b y all Democrats at the time, so while Joe authored it, it's not all on him. I frequently hear about how black people being imprisoners for a similar sentence but receiving much larger prison sentences is proof of systematic racism...

Trump overturned Joe Bidens 94 Crime Bill.

The way the system is setup, illegal immigrant children will likely be doing the jobs that they claim lawful children citizens are unable to do, anyone else find that to be a major problem?

I may be wrong but I do not think the crime bill contained larger prison sentences, in terms of overall length. The bill made it so that law enforcement heavily targeted neighborhoods of color so that's why the incarceration rates were relatively uneven.

But we have to examine where it all comes from. Because this is also a major issue of systemic racism when we look at crime rates; lack of opportunities and being discriminated ultimately increases crime.

[Chunk Norris ☯]

Origineel geplaatst door Dom:

Origineel geplaatst door Snow ☯:

The equity programs are Jim Crow 2.0. If they were true equity, they wouldn't do it by race. And given that they don't treat all historically oppressesed races equally shows their cards.

And looking at the Asian community who tends to have many of their children work at a young age, equity programs really aren't needed. Asians in America are currently the highest income earner. So there's no need for Democrats to push racist policy, all we need is a paradigm shift.

The topic of illegal immigrants coming to America to work, is directly tied to the idea of child labor. American children can work all the jobs that we currently have illegal immigrants working and usually those illegal immigrants are being paid less then what is considered a living wage...some call the illegal immigration underclass a form of slavery. But that same crowd who openly encourages those underclass of workers, scoffs at the ideas of children getting their hands dirty and earning some money for themselves or their family.

I think it's very elitist.

Why wouldn't they do it on the basis of race if those barriers are in fact proven to be racial? Different races have had different issues or privileges in their history which reflect to these days as well.

Illegal immigration is in no way comparable to child labor. One is where a person is from and how they access the country, whereas other has to do with age. An adult who happens to be undocumented, has much more overall capability to defend themselves if compared to a child. It is like day and night.

There' no barriers that are proven to be racial. Asian-Americans are the highest income earner in America. If there's some invisible boogeyman holding people down, they haven't gotten the memo.

And illegal immigrants face all sorts of issues and aren't able to protect themselves. I've worked with more then a few during my life, and it seems like the boss always given them the crap jobs that are totally no Osha approved and I've heard about other employers who get free labor by deporting the illegal immigrants after the job is done. In fact there's no real legal discourage for them to go about going after a job that is abusing them unlike American citizen.

If an illegal immigrant does something like that there's fear of deportation or other issues. To be able to work in this country illegally one has to either be a tax cheat or use stolen ID's and that's not a victimless crime.

So why would people support illegal immigrants working but scoff at the idea of American citizens children having a job?

An American child is going to have all the Osha Protections and all the protections that Americans enjoy and likely have more protections on top of that because they're children.

[Your_White_Knight]

Origineel geplaatst door MinionJoe:

Origineel geplaatst door https://www.labor.arkansas.gov/labor/labor-standards/child-labor/:

Types of work a child under sixteen cannot perform include the following occupations.

• Work performed in, about, or in connection with any processes in which dangerous or poisonous acids or gases or other chemicals are used.
  
• Soldering
  
• In occupations causing dust in injurious quantities
  
• In scaffolding
  
• In heavy work in the building trades
  
• In any tunnel or excavation
  
• In any mine, coal breaker, coke oven, or quarry
  
• In any pool or billiard room
  
• Adjusting any belt to any machinery
  
• Sewing or lacing machine belts in any workshop or factory
  
• Oiling, wiping, or cleaning machinery or assisting therein;
  
• Operating or assisting in operating any of the following machines
  
• Circular or band saws
  
• Wood shapers
  
• Wood jointers
  
• Planers
  
• Sandpaper or woodpolishing machinery
  
• Wood turning or boring machinery
  
• Picker machines or machines used in picking wool
  
• Carding machines
  
• Job cylinder printing presses operated by power other than foot power
  
• Boring or drill presses
  
• Stamping machines used in metal or in paper or leather manufacturing
  
• Metal or paper cutting machines
  
• Corner staying machines in paper box factories
  
• Steam boilers
  
• Dough brakes or cracker machinery of any description
  
• Wire or iron straightening or drawing machinery
  
• Rolling mill machinery
  
• Washing, grinding or mixing machinery
  
• Laundering machinery
  
• In proximity to any hazardous or unguarded belt, machinery or gearing
  
• Upon any railroad, whether steam, electric, or hydraulic
  
• In any saloon, resort, or bar where intoxicating liquor of any kind is sold or dispensed.
  
• In manufacturing, mining or processing occupations, including occupations requiring the performance of duties in work rooms or work places where goods are manufactured, mined, or otherwise processed.
  
• Occupations which involve the operation or tending of hoisting apparatus or of any power-driven machinery other than office machines.
  
• The operation of motor vehicles or service as helpers on such vehicles.
  
• Public messenger service
  
• Occupations in connection with:
  
• Transportation of persons or property by rail, highway, air, water, pipeline, or other means.
  
• Warehousing and storage.
  
• Communications and public utilities.
  
• Construction (including demolition and repair); except such office (including ticket office) work, or sales work in connection with A.), B.), C.) and D.), as does not involve the performance of any duties on trains, motor vehicles, aircraft, vessels, or other media of transportation or at the actual site of construction operations.
  
• Occupations in or about plants or establishments manufacturing or storing explosives or articles containing explosive components, except where such work is performed in a nonexplosives area.
  
• Occupations in logging and in the operation of any sawmill, lath mill, shingle mill, or cooperage stock mill
  
• Occupations in or about slaughtering and meat packing establishments or rendering plants.
  
• Occupations in proximity to pin-setting machinery or gearing in bowling alleys.
  
• Cooking and baking
  
• Setting up, adjusting, cleaning, oiling or repairing power-driven food slicers and grinders, food choppers
  
• Numerous agricultural occupations

I'm pretty sure the first point excludes children from working at McDonalds.

Yes... but like OP's original post... for how long before it's overturned?

It's unfortunate that people are ignoring the main point of OP's and going to derail it into another Dem vs. Rep moot argument... like either party has clean hands.

[Dom]

Origineel geplaatst door Snow ☯:

Origineel geplaatst door Dom:

Why wouldn't they do it on the basis of race if those barriers are in fact proven to be racial? Different races have had different issues or privileges in their history which reflect to these days as well.

Illegal immigration is in no way comparable to child labor. One is where a person is from and how they access the country, whereas other has to do with age. An adult who happens to be undocumented, has much more overall capability to defend themselves if compared to a child. It is like day and night.

There' no barriers that are proven to be racial. Asian-Americans are the highest income earner in America. If there's some invisible boogeyman holding people down, they haven't gotten the memo.

And illegal immigrants face all sorts of issues and aren't able to protect themselves. I've worked with more then a few during my life, and it seems like the boss always given them the crap jobs that are totally no Osha approved and I've heard about other employers who get free labor by deporting the illegal immigrants after the job is done. In fact there's no real legal discourage for them to go about going after a job that is abusing them unlike American citizen.

If an illegal immigrant does something like that there's fear of deportation or other issues. To be able to work in this country illegally one has to either be a tax cheat or use stolen ID's and that's not a victimless crime.

So why would people support illegal immigrants working but scoff at the idea of American citizens children having a job?

An American child is going to have all the Osha Protections and all the protections that Americans enjoy and likely have more protections on top of that because they're children.

Because children working without significant restrictions or barries is a clear human right violation.

When you are talking about immigrants, whether documented or undocumented, you are in most cases talking about adults who want to have a better life.

There is no question that undocumented people face challenges. But child abuse is child abuse, decorated words like freedom does not change that.

[craigsters]

Origineel geplaatst door Snow ☯:

The problem I have with the whole "They aren't paying US a living wage bit" is a good chunk of the people who say that ignorantly support the very policies that impoverish them in the first place.

When Trump left office at the end of the pandemic gas in my area was 2.85 for a gallon...now it's around 4 dollars and that's entirely by design.

And yet I see people who will complain about a living wage not being enough, while supporting the policies that increase the price of their food, their gas, etc.

And in this screwed up "Great Reset" New World Orders, kids are going to have to work. Food is too expensive for kids not to work. And it's just going to get worse...by design worse.

They're saying utilitiy bills are likely going to climb 40%. Get ready to buckle folks, and yes kids working just might keep the boat afloat.

My 80 year old neighbour and I joke that the 1930's bread and soup lineups well return soon again and well be eating mostly tuna and pasta at best or are shoe souls again we joke

The 1930's soup lines they had stale mildew bread with rotten potatoes in the soup

They had over size dungarees in the 30's because one size fits all and they flour sack company's where putting flower patterns and other patterns on the sacks because farmers made clothes out of them

[Chunk Norris ☯]

Origineel geplaatst door Dom:

Origineel geplaatst door Snow ☯:

There' no barriers that are proven to be racial. Asian-Americans are the highest income earner in America. If there's some invisible boogeyman holding people down, they haven't gotten the memo.

And illegal immigrants face all sorts of issues and aren't able to protect themselves. I've worked with more then a few during my life, and it seems like the boss always given them the crap jobs that are totally no Osha approved and I've heard about other employers who get free labor by deporting the illegal immigrants after the job is done. In fact there's no real legal discourage for them to go about going after a job that is abusing them unlike American citizen.

If an illegal immigrant does something like that there's fear of deportation or other issues. To be able to work in this country illegally one has to either be a tax cheat or use stolen ID's and that's not a victimless crime.

So why would people support illegal immigrants working but scoff at the idea of American citizens children having a job?

An American child is going to have all the Osha Protections and all the protections that Americans enjoy and likely have more protections on top of that because they're children.

Because children working without significant restrictions or barries is a clear human right violation.

When you are talking about immigrants, whether documented or undocumented, you are in most cases talking about adults who want to have a better life.

There is no question that undocumented people face challenges. But child abuse is child abuse, decorated words like freedom does not change that.

Human rights violation huh? That's a new one. And these kids are going to be working with significant restrictions. So is this how we're going to do things now in the future just arbitrarily label things a human rights violation even when they're not?


And don't mistake illegal immigrants for legal immigrants. Two completely different issues and legal immigrants have a right to work and fall under all the protections that American citizens would have. By the way 2nd generation immigrant here.

And calling them undocumented actually isn't accurate...actually what I've been doing calling them illegal immigrants isn't accurate. The term we should be using is illegal aliens.

Undocumented isn't accurate because many illegal aliens are documented by are awaited a court date to be made into legal citizens.

Illegal immigrant while being more true, still isn't true because many just want to come to America to work and have no intention of immigrating to this country.

Illegal alien is what we should be using.

And child abuse is child abusing by simply saying a catchy phrase like that has no real meaning when we're not talking about abusing kids or sending them to the coal mine (coal miners on average make 70,000 a year). We're talking about kids having a job that's likely going to be heavily restricted in what they do.

[Chunk Norris ☯]

Origineel geplaatst door craigsters:

Origineel geplaatst door Snow ☯:

The problem I have with the whole "They aren't paying US a living wage bit" is a good chunk of the people who say that ignorantly support the very policies that impoverish them in the first place.

When Trump left office at the end of the pandemic gas in my area was 2.85 for a gallon...now it's around 4 dollars and that's entirely by design.

And yet I see people who will complain about a living wage not being enough, while supporting the policies that increase the price of their food, their gas, etc.

And in this screwed up "Great Reset" New World Orders, kids are going to have to work. Food is too expensive for kids not to work. And it's just going to get worse...by design worse.

They're saying utilitiy bills are likely going to climb 40%. Get ready to buckle folks, and yes kids working just might keep the boat afloat.

My 80 year old neighbour and I joke that the 1930's bread and soup lineups well return soon again and well be eating mostly tuna and pasta at best or are show souls again we joke

The 1930's soup lines they had stale mildew bread with rotten potatoes in the soup

They had over size dungarees in the 30's because one size fits all and they flour sack company's where putting flower patterns and other patterns on the sacks because farmers made clothes out of them

I think that type of attitude could save alot of lives. I see the homeless population going nuts in major cities and I can't help but think of the Great Depression.

Stories about how familes would go to farms...be given a place to stay even if it was the barn. Having their entire family working in the fields and being able to survive..

There many privileged people in this world that would scoff at the idea of kids working, or of a family having to live in a barn, but until they've lived on the streets and eaten from soup kitchens what do these people really know?

I know alot of bigger farms that would love to have a family it could help out, feed, cloth, but the wages would be decreased although they'd have other benefits.

For a while I used to work on resort jobs in highly isolated areas. The pay sucked..but you got your room and 3 meals a day paid for. It was enough even at the lower wage to save up a TON of money.

[Dom]

Origineel geplaatst door Snow ☯:

Origineel geplaatst door Dom:

Because children working without significant restrictions or barries is a clear human right violation.

When you are talking about immigrants, whether documented or undocumented, you are in most cases talking about adults who want to have a better life.

There is no question that undocumented people face challenges. But child abuse is child abuse, decorated words like freedom does not change that.

Human rights violation huh? That's a new one. And these kids are going to be working with significant restrictions. So is this how we're going to do things now in the future just arbitrarily label things a human rights violation even when they're not?


And don't mistake illegal immigrants for legal immigrants. Two completely different issues and legal immigrants have a right to work and fall under all the protections that American citizens would have. By the way 2nd generation immigrant here.

And calling them undocumented actually isn't accurate...actually what I've been doing calling them illegal immigrants isn't accurate. The term we should be using is illegal aliens.

Undocumented isn't accurate because many illegal aliens are documented by are awaited a court date to be made into legal citizens.

Illegal immigrant while being more true, still isn't true because many just want to come to America to work and have no intention of immigrating to this country.

Illegal alien is what we should be using.

And child abuse is child abusing by simply saying a catchy phrase like that has no real meaning when we're not talking about abusing kids or sending them to the coal mine (coal miners on average make 70,000 a year). We're talking about kids having a job that's likely going to be heavily restricted in what they do.

They are not going to be working with significant restrictions. Unless you consider 48 hours a week a significant restriction for a child. Which is the restriction in Arkansas.

In some countries, like in Nordic and like-minded ones, more than 40 hours a week for ADULT is considered inhumane.

This is a brutal human right violation, to allow a kid to work 48 hours in a week. I think it'd be absolutely insane to suggest otherwise.

In my view 'alien' is a very offensive word. And not viewing them even as humans, people deserving of human rights.

[Your_White_Knight]

Origineel geplaatst door craigsters:

Origineel geplaatst door Snow ☯:

The problem I have with the whole "They aren't paying US a living wage bit" is a good chunk of the people who say that ignorantly support the very policies that impoverish them in the first place.

When Trump left office at the end of the pandemic gas in my area was 2.85 for a gallon...now it's around 4 dollars and that's entirely by design.

And yet I see people who will complain about a living wage not being enough, while supporting the policies that increase the price of their food, their gas, etc.

And in this screwed up "Great Reset" New World Orders, kids are going to have to work. Food is too expensive for kids not to work. And it's just going to get worse...by design worse.

They're saying utilitiy bills are likely going to climb 40%. Get ready to buckle folks, and yes kids working just might keep the boat afloat.

My 80 year old neighbour and I joke that the 1930's bread and soup lineups well return soon again and well be eating mostly tuna and pasta at best or are shoe souls again we joke

The 1930's soup lines they had stale mildew bread with rotten potatoes in the soup

They had over size dungarees in the 30's because one size fits all and they flour sack company's where putting flower patterns and other patterns on the sacks because farmers made clothes out of them

Pretty much...

Not only that but things have been going up in price and cost of living has been going up since the 1930's...

Saying that "omg now that ______ is in office / power things are getting worse" is silly at best and ignorant at worst... it's been ~constantly~ going this way for ~decades~ no matter who's the president and who's the majority in office...

Do you know when ~any~ politician is lying to you? .... their lips move ...

Edit:

BTW... I don't know what's worse... Dems helping illegal immigrants working "just might keep the boat afloat" or Reps helping younger and younger kids working "just might keep the boat afloat"... when neither seems to be "keeping the boat afloat" but just drilling more holes in the bottom of the boat...

[Ulfrinn]

I don't have a problem with it. I've known younger people who actually want to work, who want the freedom to be able to buy the things they want, and what better way to learn valuable lessons about personal responsibility than to let them?

[TwisterCat]

They should legalise gladiator fights while they're at it. I've been wanting them for awhile.

[Ulfrinn]

Origineel geplaatst door TwisterCat:

They should legalise gladiator fights while they're at it. I've been wanting them for awhile.

You do understand gladiators were slaves right?

[craigsters]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddiOJLuu2mo

They are afraid of the early 1900 industrial era

[TwisterCat]

Origineel geplaatst door Ulfrinn:

Origineel geplaatst door TwisterCat:

They should legalise gladiator fights while they're at it. I've been wanting them for awhile.

You do understand gladiators were slaves right?

They could fight their way out of slavery, though. Sometimes, a lot of the time. With these laws revoked, however, we can have child gladiator fights, just like in RimWorld!

[Chunk Norris ☯]

Origineel geplaatst door Dom:

Origineel geplaatst door Snow ☯:

Human rights violation huh? That's a new one. And these kids are going to be working with significant restrictions. So is this how we're going to do things now in the future just arbitrarily label things a human rights violation even when they're not?


And don't mistake illegal immigrants for legal immigrants. Two completely different issues and legal immigrants have a right to work and fall under all the protections that American citizens would have. By the way 2nd generation immigrant here.

And calling them undocumented actually isn't accurate...actually what I've been doing calling them illegal immigrants isn't accurate. The term we should be using is illegal aliens.

Undocumented isn't accurate because many illegal aliens are documented by are awaited a court date to be made into legal citizens.

Illegal immigrant while being more true, still isn't true because many just want to come to America to work and have no intention of immigrating to this country.

Illegal alien is what we should be using.

And child abuse is child abusing by simply saying a catchy phrase like that has no real meaning when we're not talking about abusing kids or sending them to the coal mine (coal miners on average make 70,000 a year). We're talking about kids having a job that's likely going to be heavily restricted in what they do.

They are not going to be working with significant restrictions. Unless you consider 48 hours a week a significant restriction for a child. Which is the restriction in Arkansas.

In some countries, like in Nordic and like-minded ones, more than 40 hours a week for ADULT is considered inhumane.

This is a brutal human right violation, to allow a kid to work 48 hours in a week. I think it'd be absolutely insane to suggest otherwise.

In my view 'alien' is a very offensive word. And not viewing them even as humans, people deserving of human rights.

That's just the legal jargon and factually correct, as I explained. I also think it helps separate the issue of legal immigrants with illegal ones. Since that issue frequently gets (intentionally) confused.

As for inhumane...it's funny we just came from the Hogwarts Legacy thread and I had some fun facts about inhumane, which I won't mention about Finland...but that's morality what Finland finds moral the US might find repugnant and vice versa. But as long as this work isn't forced work, why is wanting to work and advance your career a bad thing?

Elon Musk has achieved some amazing things and claims to work an 80-100 hour workweek...is he being inhumane by doing what he's doing? Or do we wish we had more people like him who worked that hard?

For the super lazy folks that watch the beginning of Wall-E and thought it would be a utopia, the only way that robotic lifestyle is going to be realized is from hard workers like Elon Musk.