Why is modern "music" absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥?

[Shodan]

Modern "music" is literal noise and I would rather listen to tires screeching, then go buy new ones and change them myself.

Seriously, it's just a bunch of randomly generated sound effects and it somehow always happens to be the exact same sounding ♥♥♥♥. I can instantly recognize every old song as soon as I hear the very first sound, but when it comes to the new ♥♥♥♥, I can listen to an entire song and have no clue if I have heard it before. It's that bad.

Modern "music" isn't even made by real musicians or any kind of musicians, it's just some "social" media kind of people putting out the same kind of trendy noise over and over again. No one can sing. no one can play any instrument, no one can come up with something legendary, iconic, unique and unforgettable anymore and no one has any charisma anymore. Not to mention just how vulgar and generally disgusting modern "music" is.

Yeah, there are probably a few half-decent musicians with some music that might actually pass as music (though not much more than that, that's for sure), so don't take what I said above 100% literally and freak out over some nonsensical nitpicking.

It's progressively getting worse, though. Around 2012, I thought that was as ♥♥♥♥ as it gets, but compared to what we have today, the stuff from around 2012 seems even kind of "good" in comparison? In comparison, though. Just like how the 2010s were less bad than the 2020s, the early 2000s were less bad than the 2010s and the 1990s especially. There was still some proper good stuff in the 1990s, but that was when it slowly started going to ♥♥♥♥ with all the rap, hip hop, DJ and other garbage and from then, it kept going in that direction more and more and it just kept getting worse. Hell, even some of that rap and DJ kind of stuff from the 90s and early 00s could be good, but not anymore.

Anyway, here's a song that I would say no one "gen Z" has ever heard before:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1ygTDu9aJs

Just listen to that perfection at the beginning. There is just nothing like this today at all. Now, of course, there is the classic "you just have to look for the good stuff", but no one will actually enlighten me with that good stuff. Even if it actually does exist, it's like 1 song out of... all of them... so I wouldn't really count that. I'm talking about music and "music" in general, not just that 1 good song.

[s w e k]

old people stop whining about new music challenge

[permanent name]

引用自 Novostranger：

You'll have to look better at modern music, there are some real bangers

I wrote most of those in the 80s. Maria Carey’s “All I Want For Christmas” used to be about Winnie the Pooh, but I did a rewrite to make it about poo for copyright reasons. The agent our manager sold the songs to rewrote it and set it to one of the standardized pop song formats.

引用自 Pierce Dalton：

*Mainstream music.

There's a lot of good stuff out there, you just have to dig.

That’s kind of the point. Anything that doesn’t fit the schema gets buried, and the only way to have a decent career is to compose and write songs that fit the format.

You can do okay touring as a small group, but it’s not really that profitable compared to Bieber doing an arena show.

[Othobrithol]

https://youtu.be/HOrY199QiB8

[76561198356019466]

oh god, my parents are here.

[Abaddon the Despoiler]

Do you ever do anything but complain?

[ʙᴜɴ.ᴇ]

引用自 Rivers：

Good music is still released, just not in the top 40.

引用自 Pierce Dalton：

*Mainstream music.

There's a lot of good stuff out there, you just have to dig.

This.

I work in a professional studio, I always get bands and musicians using the facilities here and a good lot of them would be in the charts in a different era.

But the popular chart topping artists are just funded by big budget producers and labels and know the right contacts to ensure maximum outreach for their product thus ensuring high sales and a place in the charts.

So I can say that I know a lot of indie artists that have way more musicianship and talent than the chart toppers but they lack the funding, contacts and dare I say it luck to release a song in the charts.

Pretty much why I am in the industry of providing music and sound work for TV, radio and film, I don't have to enter a battle I will never win to have my music in the charts. But I can still have my music heard by the masses which makes me happy at least, seeing my music in a TV documentary feels good.

[Goose]

引用自 Shodan：

引用自 Goose：

opinion and fact aren't the same, sorry.

And let me guess, you draw the line between the two? Also, someone with better education and a better choice of words than me could objectively compare two songs. Probably not always though. Also, while some things really are equally good and it indeed only comes down to preference, other things are definitely not...

引用自 0xBEdear：

I'm 34 and think there is plenty of good music being released, you just need to know where to look.

This post is very cringe and reminds me of a classic rock fan who thinks he has a 200 IQ because he listens to Pink Floyd.

Enlighten me then.

This is the first and the last time I'm saying this because there will be tons of these inevitable generic "you just have to know where to look" kind of responses that either provide zero examples or that one and only existing example... totally proves that music is just fine today when you have just that one decent song... Now think of all the dozens or maybe even hundreds of legendary old songs in comparison. I'm not talking about that 1 half-decent song once in a blue moon, I'm talking about music and trends in general, of course there will always be that 1 alright thing eventually, but that's just that 1 thing and the gap between such things is way too big...

Show me one song from the last few years which is an instant classic. While decent songs might exist, the instant classic material does not. None of these songs will ever be legendary an iconic and instantly recognizable and so on. None. So, I don't care if there's that one decent song, that's just one and that's just decent.

opinion: one's personal beliefs, cannot be proven right or wrong.

fact: objective statements that can be proven or disproven.

one's taste and preference in music falls firmly into matter of opinion.

[GlaceonChireiden]

It's ok to admit you don't like something, you know.
Not everything has to be stated as a fact with reason.

[Dwolfin]

THE TABLES FLIPPED, NOW WE GOT ALL THE COCONUTS, ♥♥♥♥♥.

https://youtu.be/ILxKidrD3K8

IM IN YOUR AREA.

[MoonC A T]

It's there, you just have to look harder

[Shodan]

引用自 Tonepoet：

Part of it is because you are probably being unfair. You're only going to remember the relatively good music of each era unless something was legendarily bad. Part of it is probably because music progressively gets worse with each passing generation.

I'm pretty sure most musicians would say that bach was better than mozart who was better than Beethoven et cetera at least right up until you hit the Beetles, 'cause some people think The Beetles were the greatest thing since sliced bread, and then you hit the downward slope again

The main exception is whatever music you were listening to in your teens would probably be along the lines of your absolute favorite stuff, possibly due to a trick of the mind, but your elders will invariably tell you it is a bunch of racket. They are probably right, but you will invariably reply that at least it is better than the stuffy ol' boring stuff they like regardless of that.

When I said there isn't a single song today that could have a legendary status, I realized that I forgot to mention the fact that I cannot think of a single older song that I would call "unlistenable garbage", but that's the vast majority of new stuff.

引用自 Pierce Dalton：

*Mainstream music.

There's a lot of good stuff out there, you just have to dig.

引用自 Novostranger：

You'll have to look better at modern music, there are some real bangers

Classic.

引用自 Logan：

Oh you are one of those people.

Yeah.

引用自 Masque：

Shodan the "instant classic" was invariably made popular by the industry.

Not by the song's own virtues. By the industry. Those days are about over -- radio DJs and MTV don't have the power to be "hit-makers" any more. You won't ever see one of those songs again, most likely. Never. The popularity of songs our culture considers "classics" was never organic. It was an industry making them popular using monopolistic power.

Examples of great current music?

highasakite
London Grammar
Aurora
Rebelution
Elovaters
The Movement
The Green
Aya Terra
Stick Figure
Aesop Rock
Alabama Shakes
The Record Company
Houndmouth
Jack Johnson
Dirty Heads
John Mayer
Dead and Friends
Pepper
Sunsquabi
Atmosphere

I COULD GO ON FOR DAYS

The reason most of us don't give examples when people like yourself demand examples is that when we do, your responses are predictable and somehow never include "Thanks".

If you don't really want examples, then you have to do the looking, if you truly desire new, good music.

So keep thinking there is nothing good, don't look around and search Spotify and YouTube, and when you do ask for assistance in finding good new music -- reject it all out of hand and repeat your mantra that there is nothing good.

I'll be listening to good new music when I'm 90, made by people who love music. And you'll be listening to the same hits that the corporations made for you from the 1960s to the 1990s.

Did you really just dismiss all older music which is actually of much higher quality by saying that it's all basically just some forced corporate brainwashing and marketing, really? If it wasn't for that, this would actually be a good reply.

引用自 s w e k：

old people stop whining about new music challenge

Never.

引用自 tiny E：

oh god, my parents are here.

Yooper, how could you betray me on this topic of all topics?

引用自 Abaddon the Despoiler：

Do you ever do anything but complain?

Absolutely not.

引用自 💕 𝓑𝓾𝓷 💕：

引用自 Rivers：

Good music is still released, just not in the top 40.

引用自 Pierce Dalton：

*Mainstream music.

There's a lot of good stuff out there, you just have to dig.

This.

I work in a professional studio, I always get bands and musicians using the facilities here and a good lot of them would be in the charts in a different era.

But the popular chart topping artists are just funded by big budget producers and labels and know the right contacts to ensure maximum outreach for their product thus ensuring high sales and a place in the charts.

So I can say that I know a lot of indie artists that have way more musicianship and talent than the chart toppers but they lack the funding, contacts and dare I say it luck to release a song in the charts.

Pretty much why I am in the industry of providing music and sound work for TV, radio and film, I don't have to enter a battle I will never win to have my music in the charts. But I can still have my music heard by the masses which makes me happy at least, seeing my music in a TV documentary feels good.

I was actually looking forward to your reply because I know how much you hate all the "nightcore" kind of crap. My whole point in this thread is that this kind of garbage simply didn't exist before, but today on the other hand, it's the norm. I'm talking about the norm. The norm today is the rock bottom, but it used to be great. Just look at what everyone listens to in the real world and what's the most popular, it's surely not this "anonymous" and indie stuff that people here have in mind, it's the rock bottom garbage. Yes, garbage, it is garbage, end of.

I'm not replying specifically to you, by the way, just making a general reply to the thread.

[Incarnate]

It's just popular music you hear in ads, TikTok, and in movies that are trash. You have to dig to find obscure stuff. I'm always finding interesting new music ten or twenty years after the fact.

There's good music to be found. But where that is in 2023, I have no clue.

[Gungbrug]

Do you only listen to "modern" music that's constantly shown on titkok? This post is actually so embarrassing for you...

[Shodan]

I don't use "social" media, I have no idea what plays on TikTok and I'd rather keep it that way.

For example, in Croatia, this kind of garbage is by far, by far the most popular and almost literally everyone listens to it, it's the main stuff to play at clubs, in cars and everywhere:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuw6TLOEm7Q&ab_channel=IDJVideos.TV

I literally cannot find a single person, not a single one, who actually hates this ♥♥♥♥ and doesn't listen to it. Not a single guy, not a single girl. For ♥♥♥♥'s sake, my younger cousin is currently studying at A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ MUSIC ACADEMY GOD ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ DAMN IT, plays classical music on a violin since he was born (my aunt made him, but still, he grew up with classical music) and even he listens to this kind of garbage and worse, so just imagine how bad other people must be... he's supposed to be one of the most cultured people...

[N-Ding the Rice Farmer™]

What's your main source of modern music?