Do you like men in mini skirts?

[Ebzdyberybencjusz]

and on scale 0 to 10, how cute do you find them

[Netaris]

Originally posted by Not Big Surprise:

do you think your views on "beauty" are objective in any way? or do you see them as subjective?

I don't even understand why you ask that ... That kind of things is always subjective of course. Subjective but massively approved by almost everybody. There is something a lot of peoples don't understand about men's beauty, they don't have the same kind of beauty as women. Women's beauty is more about postures and being young / fertile, they take the pose. Men's aesthetics are about performances and actions. See the differences between men and women sculptures over time, from many civilizations : a lot of men's sculpture show athletes launching thing or wariors holding their weapons or about muscles gained during harsh training. Women's ones aren't about that, they're about taking the pose and being attractive.

That's the real reason why men wearing skirts are ridiculous, because you try to apply women's beauty rules to men and that doesn't work because it's doesn't work the same way. That's also why you cringe way less about roman soldiers sculptures, because it was a military uniform of that time period, it's linked to performances and combat. That's why you don't cringe when you look at boxers wearing shorts and being topless with gloves, because you don't care about what they wear for efficiency's sake, what matter is the action, the performance.

So yes, men posing like women while wearing skirts look ridiculous and cringe, such as a men who wear a collar and leash and act like a dog look ridiculous and cringe too. What is complicated to understand about that ?

[Not Big Surprise]

Originally posted by Ad Victoriam !:

Originally posted by Not Big Surprise:

do you think your views on "beauty" are objective in any way? or do you see them as subjective?

I don't even understand why you ask that ... That kind of things is always subjective of course. Subjective but massively approved by almost everybody. There is something a lot of peoples don't understand about men's beauty, they don't have the same kind of beauty as women. Women's beauty is more about postures and look, they take the pose. Men's aesthetics are about performances and actions. See the differences between men and women sculptures over time, from many civilizations : a lot of men's sculpture show athletes launching thing or wariors holding their weapons or about muscles gained during harsh training. Women's ones aren't about that, they're about taking the pose and being good looking.

That's the real reason why men wearing skirts are ridiculous, because you try to apply women's beauty rules to men and that doesn't work because it's doesn't work the same way. That's also why you cringe way less about roman soldiers sculptures, because it was a military uniform of that time period, it's linked to performances and combat. That's why you don't cringe when you look at boxers wearing shorts and being topless with gloves, because you don't care about what they wear for efficiency's sake, what matter is the action, the performance.

So yes, men posing like women while wearing skirts look ridiculous and cringe, such as a men who wear a collar and leash and act like a dog look ridiculous and cringe too. What is complicated to understand about that ?

so you agree that these things are subjective, right?

well, then i present this: the subjective notions of beauty can often be shaped by the things we as a society expect, as well as your own personal beliefs
ultimately, the things we see as beautiful or not are a result of the way we think
this is further solidified by you talking about "men's beauty" and "women's beauty" as some kind of set-in-stone standard– ultimately you feel disgust for men in skirts because you have grown (and likely been implicitly taught) to see it as something that shouldn't happen, as something that breaks arbitrary societal norms

[Lemale]

Originally posted by Not Big Surprise:

Originally posted by Ad Victoriam !:

I don't even understand why you ask that ... That kind of things is always subjective of course. Subjective but massively approved by almost everybody. There is something a lot of peoples don't understand about men's beauty, they don't have the same kind of beauty as women. Women's beauty is more about postures and look, they take the pose. Men's aesthetics are about performances and actions. See the differences between men and women sculptures over time, from many civilizations : a lot of men's sculpture show athletes launching thing or wariors holding their weapons or about muscles gained during harsh training. Women's ones aren't about that, they're about taking the pose and being good looking.

That's the real reason why men wearing skirts are ridiculous, because you try to apply women's beauty rules to men and that doesn't work because it's doesn't work the same way. That's also why you cringe way less about roman soldiers sculptures, because it was a military uniform of that time period, it's linked to performances and combat. That's why you don't cringe when you look at boxers wearing shorts and being topless with gloves, because you don't care about what they wear for efficiency's sake, what matter is the action, the performance.

So yes, men posing like women while wearing skirts look ridiculous and cringe, such as a men who wear a collar and leash and act like a dog look ridiculous and cringe too. What is complicated to understand about that ?

so you agree that these things are subjective, right?

well, then i present this: the subjective notions of beauty can often be shaped by the things we as a society expect, as well as your own personal beliefs
ultimately, the things we see as beautiful or not are a result of the way we think
this is further solidified by you talking about "men's beauty" and "women's beauty" as some kind of set-in-stone standard– ultimately you feel disgust for men in skirts because you have grown (and likely been implicitly taught) to see it as something that shouldn't happen, as something that breaks arbitrary societal norms

It’s subjective for a very small minority dude

[Rhila]

please can any man wearing skirts answer this question.
what do you think going to happen when kids at school sharing pics and video of you wearing mini skirts? will be shocking for your children.
only men who are cross dressing answer me i am not trying to make anyone feel uncomfortable. but i know how children feel about certain things could make them very sad.
and i know what going to happen to all cheap female streamers at twitch in future.
same thing going to happen to men who are cross dressing in my opinion.

[Netaris]

Originally posted by Not Big Surprise:

so you agree that these things are subjective, right?

well, then i present this: the subjective notions of beauty can often be shaped by the things we as a society expect, as well as your own personal beliefs
ultimately, the things we see as beautiful or not are a result of the way we think
this is further solidified by you talking about "men's beauty" and "women's beauty" as some kind of set-in-stone standard– ultimately you feel disgust for men in skirts because you have grown (and likely been implicitly taught) to see it as something that shouldn't happen, as something that breaks arbitrary societal norms

I love to use underappreciated or not vastly knowed things, but only when it's relevant and because that's the best thing to do, not just because it break rules. This only have no value, it should bring something else with it. I'm not against breaking codes when it bring most efficient ways to do things or when it respond to an uncommon situation. But breaking codes alone have no value, the value is about something else. What's the value of men wearing skirts ? There is none, it bring nothing, it's breaking code for the sake of breaking codes and I'm against that. I think peoples have the right to have a sense of normal, habits and codes. Constantly breaking codes is more of an annoyance than an actually usefull thing from my point of view.

[MinionJoe]

Originally posted by Rhila:

please can any man wearing skirts answer this question.

Again, I'm older, but back in my day children weren't allowed in bars or night clubs.

[permanent name]

I think it’s funny when small children wear miniskirts.

[Not Big Surprise]

Originally posted by Ad Victoriam !:

Originally posted by Not Big Surprise:

so you agree that these things are subjective, right?

well, then i present this: the subjective notions of beauty can often be shaped by the things we as a society expect, as well as your own personal beliefs
ultimately, the things we see as beautiful or not are a result of the way we think
this is further solidified by you talking about "men's beauty" and "women's beauty" as some kind of set-in-stone standard– ultimately you feel disgust for men in skirts because you have grown (and likely been implicitly taught) to see it as something that shouldn't happen, as something that breaks arbitrary societal norms

I love to use underappreciated or not vastly knowed things, but only when it's relevant and because that's the best thing to do, not just because it break rules. This only have no value, it should bring something else with it. I'm not against breaking codes when it bring most efficient ways to do things or when it respond to an uncommon situation. But breaking codes alone have no value, the value is about something else. What's the value of men wearing skirts ? There is none, it bring nothing, it's breaking code for the sake of breaking codes and I'm against that. I think peoples have the right to have a sense of normal, habits and codes. Constantly breaking codes is more of an annoyance than an actually usefull thing from my point of view.

there's no "value" in men not wearing skirts
men wearing skirts at the very least are a visual display that you don't have to abide by social norms

but anyway, do we agree that ultimately your view of men wearing skirts is a notion created by your beliefs and ideology?

[Lora Grim]

Originally posted by Rhila:

please can any man wearing skirts answer this question.
what do you think going to happen when kids at school sharing pics and video of you wearing mini skirts? will be shocking for your children.
only men who are cross dressing answer me i am not trying to make anyone feel uncomfortable. but i know how children feel about certain things could make them very sad.
and i know what going to happen to all cheap female streamers at twitch in future.
same thing going to happen to men who are cross dressing in my opinion.

You know that back in the day drag shows were a thing? It was a pretty popular entertainment thing even during the medievals. And people DID bring their kids for that stuff.

Of course, those weren't "real" crossdressers, they were just entertainers.
But it is fascinating to me that it is less acceptable now than back then.

[Netaris]

Originally posted by Not Big Surprise:

there's no "value" in men not wearing skirts
men wearing skirts at the very least are a visual display that you don't have to abide by social norms

but anyway, do we agree that ultimately your view of men wearing skirts is a notion created by your beliefs and ideology?

No. Because it isn't about beliefs or ideologies here, it work on a more instinctive level. It's still subjective, but it's not something you decide, you don't decide about how you feel about something. You just feel one way or another and you don't really know why. That's why I don't see the link with ideologies and beliefs here.

[Not Big Surprise]

Originally posted by Rhila:

please can any man wearing skirts answer this question.
what do you think going to happen when kids at school sharing pics and video of you wearing mini skirts? will be shocking for your children.
only men who are cross dressing answer me i am not trying to make anyone feel uncomfortable. but i know how children feel about certain things could make them very sad.
and i know what going to happen to all cheap female streamers at twitch in future.
same thing going to happen to men who are cross dressing in my opinion.

i'd be more concerned by the society that led kids to see the breaking of social norms as a laughable act
i'm not "a man wearing a skirt", but i am someone whose mere existence challenges social norms

[Not Big Surprise]

Originally posted by Ad Victoriam !:

Originally posted by Not Big Surprise:

there's no "value" in men not wearing skirts
men wearing skirts at the very least are a visual display that you don't have to abide by social norms

but anyway, do we agree that ultimately your view of men wearing skirts is a notion created by your beliefs and ideology?

No. Because it isn't about beliefs or ideologies here, it work on a more instinctive level. It's still subjective, but it's not something you decide, you don't decide about how you feel about something. You just feel one way or another and you don't really know why. That's why I don't see the link with ideologies and beliefs here.

guess what things influence instinct?
that's right, beliefs and ideology

[Sixtyfivekills]

Originally posted by Not Big Surprise:

Originally posted by Sixtyfivekills:

I don't speak in his name but mine so I'll bite...



Because they look absolutely ridiculous. I'm literally around my coworkers as I'm typing and I nearly gagged at a thought of seeing middle aged hairy dudes in revealing outfits.

but why?

Some questions have simple answers, I don't like it because I don't like it, there's nothing more to it. Why do I not like it? Because I don't.


It's like if you told me pashtet was disgusting and I began questioning you why instead of saying "oh probably has different tastes".

[s w e k]

Originally posted by Sixtyfivekills:

Originally posted by Not Big Surprise:

literally what is so uncanny about them?
they're just men with skirts

I don't speak in his name but mine so I'll bite...



Because they look absolutely ridiculous. I'm literally around my coworkers as I'm typing and I nearly gagged at a thought of seeing middle aged hairy dudes in revealing outfits.

what if they shaved tho

[Shodan]

Originally posted by Sixtyfivekills:

Originally posted by Not Big Surprise:

but why?

Some questions have simple answers, I don't like it because I don't like it, there's nothing more to it. Why do I not like it? Because I don't.


It's like if you told me pashtet was disgusting and I began questioning you why instead of saying "oh probably has different tastes".

This is exactly what I tried to say earlier:

Originally posted by Shodan 2.0:

Originally posted by Not Big Surprise:

literally all you mentioned is ideology and beliefs

You are too, that's why you're so active in this thread and similar threads.

Look, there's really no point in trying to ask people why they feel how they feel about this kind of stuff. It's really the same as spiders in Skyrim being an absolute nightmare to me and now you might feel like explaining why this makes no sense at all since it's just a bunch of pixels on a screen like all other pixels and they can't even do anything to me. It's not like my someone making me question this would open my eyes because I'm already aware of it and how nonsensical it is, but that's just how it is and it won't just change. That's just how people are, there are some universal beliefs and preferences which may or may not make sense and no amount of logic and valid reasons can change that.

My point is that you're not getting anywhere with this and there are too many similar things you could be questioning in the same way, like why our brains suddenly brainwash themselves when we fall in love with someone, why it's universally accepted that perfumes are nice and ♥♥♥♥ stinks, why hard acceleration in a car makes us smile and so on, I could go on all day.

There's also my Skyrim example from the previous paragraph. At least I can finally play Skyrim and other games with a similar stuff now, but I still avoid every completely optional place with spiders because the giant hairy spiders that can drop from ceilings out of nowhere, the giant eggs, the webs and dead stuff wrapped in webs, it just makes me feel extremely uncomfortable even though I'm completely resistant to any actual horror games and movies, but Skyrim isn't even horror at all. I loved Thief Gold, but when I got to the "Escape" level, I just... well, escaped, as quickly as possible. I actually went on YouTube, spoiled the level to learn the fastest route (it's a bit of a maze), then went back on the game and followed the route while looking at the ceiling. Funny, I'm 99.99% fine with the giant spiders in System Shock 2, same engine and developers as Thief Gold... How does that even make any sense? That's just how my brain works and that's it.

I got unbanned here 10 minutes ago, so jokes on whoever reported me to get revenge or something.