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kilésengati 2023 年 2 月 28 日 下午 3:14
Rewriting of books. (Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, etc.)
The rewriting of books continues as allegedly offensive sections of books by Roald Dahl (Charlie and the Chocolate Factory) are changed in future editions to take contemporary sensitivities into account:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/17/roald-dahl-woke-overhaul-offensive-words-removed/

For instance, among other changes, Oompa Loompas are now gender-neutral.
Let's completely forget Oompa Loompas are a fictional African tribe effectively enslaved by Wonka.

What do you think?
Is rewriting allegedly offensive material the proper way to deal with it?
Is rewriting worse than banning?
Should historic context be taken into account?
Or do you think other measures are more appropriate, if necessary at all?

Do you know any folks keeping track of censorship and modifications made to already released works for political or commercial reasons?

Please keep it civil. :)
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kilésengati 2023 年 2 月 28 日 下午 4:17 
引用自 Raelic：
They can't rewrite the original. If they are doing a re-release, that's their money to spend it how they see fit.

However, I heard something really interesting from some intellectuals I engage with and they say a lot of the classics are just manufactured to be classics. For example, there are a lot of contemporary authors and books that probably put Charlie and the Chocolate Factory to shame. People ignore them for these classics.

If you find a classic conflicts with contemporary values, stop thinking of them as classics at all. Just find another book to read.

This person was speaking about the Harry Potter books, but I think Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is almost as overrated. And I enjoy the Harry Potter books.

Read more. This will only matter to people who don't read a lot anyways.

Thankfully they can't. What they can try to do is pushing the rewritten stuff hard enough for it to supplant the original work in perceived importance. Hopefully, the original works prevail in the public mind.
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Violeta 2023 年 2 月 28 日 下午 4:46 
If I had my way every book written by a certain person would be burned. Far too many people have been hurt following the advice of a person who leeched off rich friends for the person's whole life. The number of wars he's caused are far too many, the countries destroyed from within.

Almost everything bad these days has ties to him.
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L1qu1dator 2023 年 2 月 28 日 下午 4:48 
Why not just burn all the books already...
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Boblin the Goblin 2023 年 2 月 28 日 下午 4:49 
引用自 an experience：
Capitalism is at it again? Damn. Maybe someday we'll regulate it.

Edit: maybe we will also ask ourselves why Telegraph journalists were invited to Netflix (owner of the Dahl estate) press soirées, because I'm pretty sure it wasn't just to be nice to them and give them free drinks


It is regulated. That's what the FDA, FTC, SEC, USDA, etc. are for.
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kilésengati 2023 年 2 月 28 日 下午 4:49 
引用自 ⛧Black⛧：
If I had my way every book written by a certain person would be burned. Far too many people have been hurt following the advice of a person who leeched off rich friends for the person's whole life. The number of wars he's caused are far too many, the countries destroyed from within.

Almost everything bad these days has ties to him.

Dr. Seuss?


引用自 SlowMango：
引用自 an experience：
Capitalism is at it again? Damn. Maybe someday we'll regulate it.

Edit: maybe we will also ask ourselves why Telegraph journalists were invited to Netflix (owner of the Dahl estate) press soirées, because I'm pretty sure it wasn't just to be nice to them and give them free drinks


It is regulated. That's what the FDA, FTC, SEC, USDA, etc. are for.

They are toothless paper tigers controlled by politicians paid for by the very people they are supposed to regulate.
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Boblin the Goblin 2023 年 2 月 28 日 下午 4:57 
引用自 kilésengati：
引用自 ⛧Black⛧：
If I had my way every book written by a certain person would be burned. Far too many people have been hurt following the advice of a person who leeched off rich friends for the person's whole life. The number of wars he's caused are far too many, the countries destroyed from within.

Almost everything bad these days has ties to him.

Dr. Seuss?


引用自 SlowMango：


It is regulated. That's what the FDA, FTC, SEC, USDA, etc. are for.

They are toothless paper tigers controlled by politicians paid for by the very people they are supposed to regulate.


They still do regulation. Even right now the FTC is doing regulation with the Microsoft situation.
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Wai 2023 年 2 月 28 日 下午 5:00 
Bowdlerisation is never acceptable in my opinion. If you don't like the content, don't read it. There are many great authors who have written things which we may object to years, decades or centuries later. We don't alter the words of Shakespeare - "The Moor of Venice", or Dickens - "Oliver Twist" (Fagin), or Kippling - "The Ladies", or D H Lawrence - "Lady Chatterley's Lover" or etc. etc. etc. The list is endless.

Apart from anything else, values change continuously. About 50 years ago, for example, Enid Blyton books were banned in schools and libraries because they "promoted" homosexual behaviour - Noddy and Big Ears shared a bed! - Go figure.

Leave our authors words alone and when you read them, remember the context and the era in which they were written.

If you choose to read a book to your children which has content which does not conform to your values, then, you choose to discuss this content with them.
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Fosty 2023 年 2 月 28 日 下午 5:03 
Leave it as is.
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kilésengati 2023 年 2 月 28 日 下午 5:04 
引用自 SlowMango：
引用自 kilésengati：

Dr. Seuss?




They are toothless paper tigers controlled by politicians paid for by the very people they are supposed to regulate.


They still do regulation. Even right now the FTC is doing regulation with the Microsoft situation.

Exactly, how the regulators do their work really depends on who is in charge.

I don't miss Ajit Pai as FTC chair, but bloody hell, I miss his humongous coffee cup.
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Boblin the Goblin 2023 年 2 月 28 日 下午 5:07 
引用自 kilésengati：
引用自 SlowMango：


They still do regulation. Even right now the FTC is doing regulation with the Microsoft situation.

Exactly, how the regulators do their work really depends on who is in charge.

I don't miss Ajit Pai as FTC chair, but bloody hell, I miss his humongous coffee cup.


I think you're confusing FCC and FTC. The current FTC chair is an open critic of how big tech companies have gotten.
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Downtown DK Company ✅ 2023 年 2 月 28 日 下午 5:08 
Why bother to create anything if it's just gonna be viewed as offensive a couple generations later and changed juraticaly after your death?

On another note, why not only read stories published recently if you can't take the past?
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kilésengati 2023 年 2 月 28 日 下午 5:12 
引用自 SlowMango：
引用自 kilésengati：

Exactly, how the regulators do their work really depends on who is in charge.

I don't miss Ajit Pai as FTC chair, but bloody hell, I miss his humongous coffee cup.


I think you're confusing FCC and FTC. The current FTC chair is an open critic of how big tech companies have gotten.

Oh yeah, that was the FCC. Those damn letter agencies and their heckin' acronyms.
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Violeta 2023 年 2 月 28 日 下午 5:18 
Who doesn't remember pie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFhT6H6pRWg
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kilésengati 2023 年 2 月 28 日 下午 5:26 
引用自 ⛧Black⛧：
Who doesn't remember pie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFhT6H6pRWg

Ah, I miss those memingful times the Trump presidency was.

I'm kinda disappointed he wasn't jumping around in a fursuit after mentioning his favourite fandom. After all, as an FCC chair, he was in IT.
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Dutchgamer1982 2023 年 2 月 28 日 下午 5:26 
when will people learn that 1984 was ment a warning not a bloody objective..
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