How to partake in a discussion without being argumentative?

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Pierce Dalton 2023. febr. 28., 3:59

Any ideas, boys and girls of OT?

Oh... "by agreeing with the other side" is not a valid answer.

After all, if there's no disagreement, it ain't a discussion.

Btw, aren't arguing and discussing synonyms?

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Pocahawtness 2023. febr. 28., 5:04

To realise that there is actually no point in arguing and learn to walk away once you have expressed your opinion.

Speak your mind but once you have done that people will either agree or disagree and there is very rarely any point in repeating yourself, you aren't about to convince them, all you will do is inflame them.

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Muhyoui 2023. febr. 28., 5:04

Argument is used in a debate. It doesn't just mean an angry discussion
E.G "What is your argument against this?"

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Here is my card 2023. febr. 28., 5:12

Pierce Dalton eredeti hozzászólása:
Any ideas, boys and girls of OT?

Btw, aren't arguing and discussing synonyms?

Dom eredeti hozzászólása:
Well, very often they are but not always.

For instance, I could say "sun is shining outside" in a conversation and that is not me arguing about anything, that is me stating a factual thing. Or you could ask me "what are you planning to do tomorrow" and me stating my plans wouldn't be me arguing.

Here's the point I tried to point out in my previous example. One being cannot...comprehensively define a difference in between discussion and argument, if the other one sees or understands or takes it as an argument.

I understand, that for example presenting a question: What time it is? - May not "feel" like an argument but one could see or understand it as an argument depending on a many things, events or past sayings in some particular event or happening. We could be arguing when the discussion changes into arguing in between two or more, but it is not always so certain or simple to define that this is discussion, this is argument.

For example in Miriam-Webster there is a definition for a discussion:

"consideration of a question in open and usually informal debate"

And argument:

"
1
a
: the act or process of arguing, reasoning, or discussing : argumentation

b
: a coherent series of reasons, statements, or facts intended to support or establish a point of view

a defense attorney's closing argument

c
: an angry quarrel or disagreement
having an argument over/about money
trying to settle an argument

2
a
: a reason given for or against a matter under discussion
They presented their arguments in favor of the proposal.

b
: a form of rhetorical expression intended to convince or persuade
"

So, I agree with the part

Dom eredeti hozzászólása:
Well, very often they are but not always.

But not the rest.

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ice 2023. febr. 28., 7:01

Pierce Dalton eredeti hozzászólása:
Any ideas, boys and girls of OT?

Oh... "by agreeing with the other side" is not a valid answer.

After all, if there's no disagreement, it ain't a discussion.

Btw, aren't arguing and discussing synonyms?

If only we could argue without being emotionally affected... no that doesnt mean debate, just a flaw in the human thought process.

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ice 2023. febr. 28., 7:02

Everyone's thoughts are affected by emotion anyway, influenced as such and therefore fallible as such

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Vinegaroon 2023. febr. 28., 7:03

Memes?

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𝔸𝕣𝕔𝕥𝕚𝕔 𝟙 2023. febr. 28., 8:25

Discussion flourishes when the individuals involved actually wish to listen to the others points. It is supposed to be based around not necessarily agreeing, but finding a common ground and learning. It is generally when emotion overtakes reason and we disregard/invalidated the opinions of another or disrespect them, that what we generally think of as “arguments” spark.

The internet unfortunately is rife with empty argument- not discussion, as others have stated. In more cases than not, it is the rule not the exception to assume the worst in others online, and thus individuals head into these discussions with a hostile attitude from the start. There is no respect for the other person. They come not to listen, but to correct and prove they are right, and if you disagree, you are not just incorrect, you are also evil and must be put in your place. Likewise there is no interest in what others have to say- time and time again, responses on this board rehash answers that were already given by others or ignore the originating post beyond the headline.

I believe Li77lehorn‘s answer is the simplest yet most effective. If we stop treating each other poorly, be respectful, and actually care about the thoughts and opinions of others, than civil discussion is not difficult to achieve.

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Neurotic Panda 2023. febr. 28., 9:00

this entirely depends on two factors.

1. the topic at hand.

2. who the discussion is with.

1a. there are some topics that no matter how much proof or evidence or whatever you bring to the table the other person just will not ever sway from their opinion or find common ground, its pointless and will just lead to arguments. I.E. politics, religion, etc..

2a. willfully ignorant, know it alls, fanatics/agendas.. just avoid them. this goes along with #1. don't even bother. these type of people are looking for arguments or fights and love the endorphin rush of spreading their 'message' and arguing or getting others upset.

If you can avoid certain subjects and certain types of people you can have a good discussion w/o arguments and even have fun and learn things.. if you partake with either or # 1 or 2 you will just beat your head against the wall and waste your time. like this forum generally. just avoid and move on.

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Chris 2023. febr. 28., 9:04

Being silent propably or ignoring some stuff

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cSg|mc-Hotsauce 2023. febr. 28., 9:09

It really only ends poorly when someone decides to hit that report button to get the support mod into that thread to find out people in the thread have turned it into a cyclical argument that is not doing anyone any good.

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skOsH♥ 2023. febr. 28., 9:19

We could talk about Ratatouille

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Not Big Surprise 2023. febr. 28., 9:22

what does it mean to be "argumentative" in this context? what is the word used for?

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Raelic 2023. febr. 28., 9:36

Be okay in not having the last response. Respond twice, stop. That's my rule. My lack of response is not agreement. Have faith in your fellow human being in knowing that if you haven't responded, it doesn't mean you agree.

If anything, it makes the other person look less reasonable. It doesn't make them look wrong. Just less reasonable. Their arguments make them right or wrong.

List your full argument and be okay with not having the last word.

That's it.

And online arguments aren't essays. If you really feel passionate about a discussion, educate yourself and write a paper worthy of being published.

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