The Off Topic Philosophy Club - Intellectual Conversations

[Apexnexius]

Philosophy

Every human being ponders. Many of us have favorite philosophers.
Some like Schopenhauer others prefer Kant.
Some enjoy Aristotle others enjoy Kierkegaard.

What are your favorite philosophers and what philosophy do you yourself adhere to?

Feel free to contribute and ask interesting questions or perhaps try to answer them.

Keep it civil and enjoy the conversation. :)



EDIT: It took a few pages of replies, but finally we got the discussions going. Thank you to every scholar and like minded individual who are sharing from their thoughts and wisdom.

Very interesting and provocative indeed. Truthfully, many quality users in Off Topic responding and discussing.

[TwisterCat]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Apexnexius:

'Mathematics as a language'. A distilled means of communication.

Me senses AI haz invaded Off-Topic. Me knows it.

[Apexnexius]

Diposting pertama kali oleh TwisterCat:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Apexnexius:

'Mathematics as a language'. A distilled means of communication.

Me senses AI haz invaded Off-Topic. Me knows it.

Yeah, never give another forum user 'the benefit of the doubt'. (edit sarcasm)

Some of us have lived long lives and many of us have been students at European universities when we were younger.

And we continue reading and we continue engaging with others holding the gates open.
We are communicating by text because that is the very essence of being a modern individual among other modern individuals, be it on the internet or at uni campus, or through a book (text).

[Ruckman_Void]

Well this went south
I advise
Read AND watch
Breakfast Of Champions

If only for no other reason
Than mirrors
But also for Nick Nolte - Maoui!

I reckon some people here might dig it

[Holografix]

“Don't talk unless you can improve the silence.”
― Jorge Luis Borges

[DarkCrystalMethod]

"We may not remember all the hate and riducule from our enemies, but rather the silence of our friends."
It just sounded deep and philosophical. (MLK Jr. said something like this)

[Apexnexius]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Apexnexius:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Holografix:

“Don't talk unless you can improve the silence.”
― Jorge Luis Borges

Funny one

Diposting pertama kali oleh DarkCrystalMethod:

"We may not remember all the hate and riducule from our enemies, but rather the silence of our friends."
It just sounded deep and philosophical. (MLK Jr. said something like this)

Yeah, that one hurts.

[Not Big Surprise]

ok real philosophical question

which side should toilet paper be facing

[DarkCrystalMethod]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Not Big Surprise:

ok real philosophical question

which side should toilet paper be facing

The Dark Side!

Hopefully its wrapped around a cardboad tube(as thats how nature intended).
People argue about whether the top paper should hang over or under when its hanging on the dispenser, however I feel it should be pulled off a vertically standing roll(whether by stick or affixed to the wall like the horizontal dispensers are done)

[Skkooomer Lord]

If you can't afford something, buy it anyway/

[Muhyoui]

Some languages just look scary written

What I mean by this is that the way the letters, words, sentences and etc. are formed are scary.
How can something written look scary? Because of how complex it is. Take Thai for example; I am thoroughly convinced that Thai written is an alien language. Spoken is one thing. But this is what Thai looks like written: มันน่ากลัว (It's scary)

Then there's a language like Chinese or Japanese (I'm learning Korean and discovered it's not that horrifying)
Chinese looks like a bunch of lines
.And Japanese is just...curvy.
Arabic is backwards. Literally.

What I am getting at is that languages that do not use a familiar alphabet, (or a somewhat similar) look scary because of how their letters are formed.

[Birds]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Not Big Surprise:

ok real philosophical question

which side should toilet paper be facing

The side which the hanger finds compulsory.

[sotaponi]

BTW... again, not to spam too much text, but simply for the sake of completion, I still have to add one last part to the Platonism bit, and how it might be no surprise that people today don't "understand" these type of sentiments, when they are systematically indoctrinated due to the promotion of characters who talk about e.g. "teapots in orbit of Mars" and such things. Which is something you can frequently observe here, also, and kind of goes against against the general idea of philosophy as love for wisdom. (Even if Russell wasn't that bad of an offender, since he generally rejected false dichotomies.)

If you think about it, the Greek of yore were kind of amazing. Even 2500 years ago, they already reasoned to atoms. They reasoned that there must be universals (i.e. gauge bosons). And they reasoned that, if there are universals, there was likely a creation event (i.e. big bang) during which these gauge bosons were derived, in turn leading to the idea of Platonic forms and a God-subordinate demiurge above gauge bosons. And then the Greek are also said to have built a rudimentary steam engine. All of which are conclusions at which they arrived by pure reason.

Hence also why the "teapot in orbit of mars" is kind of strange in the context of a demiurge, as "educated atheists" like to satirize it. After all, it compares Platonic forms - that is an attempt to explain a "world of ideas" above gauge bosons - to there being a newly made up type of particle. It compares the Platonic form above gauge bosons, to there being something alongside leptons and quarks.

With the irony being that it's extremely likely for there to be something alongside leptons and quarks. Simply because, if we move in more than 4 dimensions and the universe consists mostly of dark energy/matter, the conservation of our movement has to be quantified accordingly. As such, for example, 4-dimensional galaxies (and their singularity) could be contextualized via something akin to Riemann spheres utilizing an imaginary axis. Whereas what appears as expansion of the universe might then merely be the result of 5-dimensional movement between these technically infinite galaxies, making said universal expansion a relatively warped dimensional illusion. Hypothetically speaking. With the point being that there might then indeed be "teapots" in orbit of Mars. That is another type of particle next to leptons and quarks, which you would use to explain dark energy/matter in the context of higher-dimensional movement between galaxies and their "imaginarily"-contexualized singularities, the same way mass-energy equivalence was used to contextualize movement and related information conservation in regards to 4d and spacetime curvature.

Indeed, it is to be expected for there to be a "teapot" in orbit of Mars, if you simply refer to some 3rd particle category next to leptons and quarks as "teapots." Just as example. Which tells you nothing about the origin of Platonic forms above gauge bosons. Nor why the universe appears to have a clear "logos" (sufficient reason) of sorts, if differently entropic neurons and sense organs form just as systematically as atoms and molecules do, displaying stage-transcending a priori knowledge.

But when even on that level, the understanding of things is so entirely lost, you see even universities pretend to not understand it, declaring it somehow inconceivable that Plato's theory of forms-above-gauge-bosons was ever "believed" in, simply because MSM propaganda dictates it, instead promoting literal argument-from-ignorance characters such as Sartre? Not that you would want to associate with these "universities" (nor "educated" students of today; western or in general) anyway, am I right... but still, it's kind of anti-philosophical. Especially if it's a dichotomy born from a purely reactionary anti-religious dogma.

Again, for the sake of completion. Even if it might be a bit excessive...

[sotaponi]

Because of the post-truth of today's society, and for the sake of completeness with my other posts in this thread (and in general) referencing Platonic forms, I'll make another quick attempt here, at putting the sentiment of Platonism into the context of the current standard model of physics. Also because of the "teapot in orbit of mars" bit, and since even "universities" today proclaim that Platonic types of thought are somehow inconceivable...

Based on the postulates, if you acknowledge that:

• Darwinian random mutations cannot explain senses and macro evolution
  
• Plato postulated his forms as being above univerals
  
• The Higgs Boson is above other gauge bosons (universals), since it can decay into gauge bosons
  
• Both electrons and quarks communicate with coloured gauge bosons in form of photons and gluons
  
• Higgs fields - giving elementary particles in a galaxy their rest mass - would be assumed as displaying similar "colour" type of mechanics to communicate, then via gravitons as gauge boson (at the very least galaxy-internally)
  
• Any Higgs Field will, given enough time and gravitational entropy, create a galaxy filled with radioactive stars, or a cortex filled with psychoactive neurons (i.e. every cortex has a different make-up of gravitons)
  
• Every galaxy has its own Higgs field and reacts differently to photons, depending on the gravitational colour of the (type of) Higgs field, resulting in different patterns
  
• Quantum type of gravity in the context of the Higgs field can therefore be tied to senses such as sight, audio, love, maybe even ethics, etc... because a photon is considered light, sound, or philia... only in this gravitational context (e.g. If you plug your eyes into the auditory cortex, you won't see the photon as light, because photons are a gravity-dependent general signal, rather than aether theorical light in particular. And the cortex will display a different response to the same stimulus.)
  
• Fields are hiearchical and there exists the predicted 5th force above the Higgs field, capable of manipulating it
  
• There is a redshift and red is not equal to red
  
• The Higgs field (and hence also photons and cortexes thereupon) can thus be modulated into shifting into a more Platonically "real" world
  
• Black holes are therefore still radioactive stars in a more Platonically "real" world, coinciding "realer" cortexes, "realer stars", and "realer" photons...

In which case you have a kind of Platonic form theory. Because there is a thing above universals in form of the Higgs field. And in the context of Platonic reality and the 5th force, our current world and senses are merely a derivative of this very thing. Which then of course also leads to questions such as the one about demiurges, Plato's thought on e.g. the form of the good, etc.

It's a bit beyond Nietzsche type "you must have daddy issues if you believe for the world to involve a logos, demiurge, or creative deity above it" strawman caricatures, but yeah... if one doesn't pathologically deny for the world to be systematic in such a way, especially in that Higgs fields, too, communicate with "coloured" gauge charges (be they general and case-dependent akin to photons or w/e) at least galaxy-internally, akin to how quarks and electrons do it (the galaxy-external tied to dark matter could already be related to the field above)... and you are a field (or something else) above it, since it's how the world works...

It's generally seems Platonic. And might get to show how science ties into to philosophy. Which makes it somewhat ridiculous when certain types of interest groups today want to claim "science" as some kind of evidence supporting their dogmas...

[Xero_Daxter]

“A battle isn’t truly won until you teabag the enemy.” -Sun Tzu

[Birds]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Xero_Daxter:

“A battle isn’t truly won until you teabag the enemy.” -Sun Tzu

I can't tell you how many people I've seen get decapitated teabagging.