What is you favourite Star Trek Series?

[Lord Buschguy]

Greetings fellow Trekkies, normal enjoyers, dislikers and other human beings watching TV shows!
For quite some time of friend of mine and I are wondering what is considered the best of all Star Trek shows among the fan base. So one day, we decided to look it up in various surveys and on forums, to come to the conclusion that we must have either watched Star Trek with the wrong pair of eyes equipped or that teletext surveys just ain't doing it. So I decided to ask you guys out there, what you consider to be the best of all Trek!

In order to allow an easier transfer from your comments into my excel table, I would politely ask you to make the name of your pick, the header of your comment.
Feel free to also give a reason for why you think so, and maybe even name your favourite episode right beneath!

Qapla' tlhIH puj be'Hom!

[Dutchgamer1982]

Chaosolous a écrit :

TOS
TNG
DS9
Animated (70's)
ENT
VOY
...
Anything that came after (all that streaming stuff) is not Trek in my mind, it's something else borrowing the name.

I am still pissed axenar was killed.. it looked freaking awesome.. I much rather pay to see a completed full feature axenar.. than that crap made after STE by official channels..

[Lord Buschguy]

Dutchgamer1982 a écrit :

so I'd say that there is an artificial intelligence that runs the borg.. a basic protocol not coming from any individual linked up.. but running the show..

I always found the borg nanites to be doing that job well enough to me. In my mind these little guys are the puppet masters behind the borg only requiring humanoids to have an easier time working and interacting in the makroverse, simply following a directive implemented by their creator.

[Dutchgamer1982]

Buschguy a écrit :

Dutchgamer1982 a écrit :

so I'd say that there is an artificial intelligence that runs the borg.. a basic protocol not coming from any individual linked up.. but running the show..

I always found the borg nanites to be doing that job well enough to me. In my mind these little guys are the puppet masters behind the borg only requiring humanoids to have an easier time working and interacting in the makroverse, simply following a directive implemented by their creator.

I always wondered what caused the borg;)

you do know that all races in star trek stands for a facet of human psychology.
-the borg basicly are us.. if technology gets to control us..
(and scary enough it does by a large part already today)

imagine a human like society... than someone invents a brain interface.. no need for smartphones or tv.. or internet.. you can have virtual relaity inside your own head.. any ability or knowledge you need uploaded to you as required..
-than people link their minds.. perhaps at first as a talking protocol, or for couples to get to know echother better.. a feature turned off and on.. with control over how much of eachothers "soul" you allow the other to see..
-than some conflict happens.. say a large war.. and as the solution they turn this protocol on for all permanently.. if you understand eachother and know all the time what all think and feel.. no wars.. and for a while this works..
-say this larger protocol merely say "understand eachother, and strife to better the whole of society"
-there still excist however those with bad intentions, and even those who are not linked.. so the collective creates nanites to supress the will of "disruptive thoughts" as well as being able to link up people by a simple injection.. without the need for the operation needed before..
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however as all people are now borg, procreation and innovation has ceased... as they still have the desire for improvement.. they get space faring.. and look out others...
->
when they meet those others, they at first just wish to invite members to them.. and get acces to their tech.. but they will find not that many volenteers and that technology is not that readely shared...
**
(so the moral objections that we only should invite and let join freely.. are oppressed and a centuries long war breaks out..)
as the number of borg is small, their ability to adapt is less, as they have only asimilated from a dosin orso spieces most like them only in early space faring stage.. their tech level difference is much less.. also as the borgs collective memory is shared amongst all its drones.. by killing off large swats of them in wars.. the amount of data that must be stored gets less than the amount of brainstorage available..

thus the borg forget a lot of their early history as its not neccecairy information to keep to win this war... and their delicate protocols like that strife for improvement gets data corrupted into assimilate and perfection.
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along this centuries long war.. the original race that started all this has died out anyway... leaving basicly only the nanites they invented...

only the last few centuries the borg has grown this large.. as 500 years ago they only had a handfull spieces and planets... the void by the fall of the technologically advanced vadwar likely boosted them.. but their transwarp technology, cubes and sphere technology likely did not excist 100 years before tng...

THIS is a star trek series I wish to see..

Star Trek - Spieces 0001
- a star trek series... where we see the borg as they were 10000 years ago.. in a society not unlike our own.. slowly becoming the borg..

[Lord Buschguy]

Dutchgamer1982 a écrit :

THIS is a star trek series I wish to see..

Star Trek - Spieces 0001
- a star trek series... where we see the borg as they were 10000 years ago.. in a society not unlike our own.. slowly becoming the borg..

Well I guess all of us would love to see THIS Star Trek, but then real life kicks and said show is written by the current NuTrek crew with a large focus on the intimate relationship between gender fluid individuals and how they are suppressed by evil society rather than telling an actual and unique story.

Maybe one day our dream for a good new Trek will come true, but maybe that day is somewhen past our lifetime,
or we get the Futurama scenario and noone knows about it anymore

[Zero, Dark Knight]

Buschguy a écrit :

Dutchgamer1982 a écrit :

THIS is a star trek series I wish to see..

Star Trek - Spieces 0001
- a star trek series... where we see the borg as they were 10000 years ago.. in a society not unlike our own.. slowly becoming the borg..

Well I guess all of us would love to see THIS Star Trek,

honestly I dunno - I have a feeling that any "Modern production" would just wracked with behind the scenes production issues - and never capture the 'spirit', but more just some weird show using the name of Trek, similar to how Discovery or the newest movies were ...

for me, Trek is the older series (mentioned the two I like before.) and I think that's it. the movies and those - I don't want more.. >_> no more series like Picard or Discovery..no more reboot "action" movies like the 'new Kirk and Spock'...

[B✪✪tsy]

Dutchgamer1982 a écrit :

woke directors

Thats the real issue with Star Trek after Enterprise. I watched a few episodes of Discovery and I could not stand it and nothing has changed since then. They really killed the series and the legacy.

[Lord Buschguy]

Zero, Dark Knight a écrit :

honestly I dunno - I have a feeling that any "Modern production" would just wracked with behind the scenes production issues - and never capture the 'spirit', but more just some weird show using the name of Trek, similar to how Discovery or the newest movies were ...

Yeah, that's what I was trying to say with my previous post, no matter how much they'd try or wouldn't try, capturing the classic spirit might be beyond impossible already

[Lord Buschguy]

B✪✪tsy a écrit :

Dutchgamer1982 a écrit :

woke directors

Thats the real issue with Star Trek after Enterprise. I watched a few episodes of Discovery and I could not stand it and nothing has changed since then. They really killed the series and the legacy.

"Consequences of woke writing in a nutshell"

But even without the forced diversity, they still look to much like a cheap Star Wars knock off space movie.
Chip bridges, special effects, communication, hierarchy and redesigned political systems from the old series, still feel and look too wrong

[B✪✪tsy]

isomorphic_projection a écrit :

B✪✪tsy a écrit :

It's broadcasted on Paramount Network in the Netherlands (Sci-Fi Sunday).

Well to bad for me. I don't have a subscription, to that channel. Did you name yourself btw after the groundkeeper of starfleet academy.

If you have Ziggo or KPN then you should have that channel, maybe it's just not activated on the channel list.

[isomorphic_projection]

Dutchgamer1982 a écrit :

Chaosolous a écrit :

TOS
TNG
DS9
Animated (70's)
ENT
VOY
...
Anything that came after (all that streaming stuff) is not Trek in my mind, it's something else borrowing the name.

I am still pissed axenar was killed.. it looked freaking awesome.. I much rather pay to see a completed full feature axenar.. than that crap made after STE by official channels..

When i heard that. the first thing i thought of, is to bring the inquisition back. And go after the perpetrator. I saw the prequel to Axenar, it was brilliant. The new owner of the rights killed star trek. Not even fan based movies with previous actors are allowed anymore.

[isomorphic_projection]

B✪✪tsy a écrit :

isomorphic_projection a écrit :

Well to bad for me. I don't have a subscription, to that channel. Did you name yourself btw after the groundkeeper of starfleet academy.

If you have Ziggo or KPN then you should have that channel, maybe it's just not activated on the channel list.

Well i don't have a TV, or any extra subscriptions. I could channel it through my rig.

[Lord Buschguy]

162 posts later, this is our new table


TOS Voted as best: 11 times - Voted as second best: 4 times

TNG Voted as best: 19 times - Voted as second best: 9 times

DS9 Voted as best: 9 times - Voted as second best: 11 times

VOY Voted as best: 3 times - Voted as second best: 4 times

ENT Voted as best: 3 times - Voted second best: 1 time

[isomorphic_projection]

Dutchgamer1982 a écrit :

Enterprofilenamehere a écrit :

I agree. They were more scary when they were essentially a faceless enemy acting as one collective mind. Adding the queen was completely unnecessary and cliche.

while I not mind the queen as much as some.. what makes the borg borg should be explained..

if you merely merge 10 billion free wills into 1 collective will.. the first act they likely do is de-assimilate everyone or fraction into multiple smaller collectives.. as they not wish to be 1.

so there must be a central.. programming.. something that supresses the desire for freedom in ALL in the collective.. as the billions assimalated against their will outnumber the ones who joined volentairely by a large margin.

the obsession with "perfection" likely is also part of that programming..

so I'd say that there is an artificial intelligence that runs the borg.. a basic protocol not coming from any individual linked up.. but running the show..

giving this basic protocol full AI.. and a voice... in the form of a borg queen.. did not bother me that much..

Took me some time to answer this one. But i had to be sure, so i watched some voyager shows.

The borg vinculum, ties them all together. It goes like a red wire through their subconsciousness. The Queen is the avatar of that conscious existence.

[Lord Buschguy]

isomorphic_projection a écrit :

The borg vinculum, ties them all together. It goes like a red wire through their subconsciousness. The Queen is the avatar of that conscious existence.

Then we still gotta wonder, why the borg would need an avatar. I mean it's not commucate with other species as a representative, and even if she would, the borg neither suggest nor bargain
Resistance is futile

[Dutchgamer1982]

Buschguy a écrit :

isomorphic_projection a écrit :

The borg vinculum, ties them all together. It goes like a red wire through their subconsciousness. The Queen is the avatar of that conscious existence.

Then we still gotta wonder, why the borg would need an avatar. I mean it's not commucate with other species as a representative, and even if she would, the borg neither suggest nor bargain
Resistance is futile

well the borg can be pragmanic..

**future tech borg (created by the doctors mobile emittor), merely took a dna sample..
which if you think of it is a method that will solve the constant need to hunt for new drones and I like to think the borg will evolve that way in the future.
-> a borg collective that can clone/recombine dna it has obtained.. can truelly perfect itself.. by merging the best bits of dna from ALL spieces.
-> it also will remove the resitance of most spieces.. for the borg will no longer take over their planets.. they will just one every century arrive.. download all their current knowledge.. take a few dna samples and leave again.... which is a far more effective way to farm for technology too if you think about it.
**
(true the borg still will want to expand to explore.. and gather resources... but theres plenty of colonisable worlds out there.. and terraforming tech is easy to assimilate)
-> and that not all races will want to be probed.. and fight back.. will mean the most dangerous enemies will be purged.. so the borg likely still are hostile to resistance.. but not resistance comes at far less a cost.. they take a dna sample download your computer.. take a good peek at all your hardware to retroengineer it.. and leave again..
**
the borg recognise that thinking as an individual at times has advantages as it leads to innovation.. specialised borg.. very loyal to the collective.. could be allowed more individuality.. and give the collective this bonus...

-> so if a pragmatic borg needs to have a dialoge with an individual spieces.. it can help to alocate a 7of9 of sorts... but I agree no queen would be needed... the borg could just alocate a drone as intermediate for as long as needed.
(and future borg could just create an non permanent interface to communicate with 1 of them.. without assimilating them (like they did with chekotay)

if one truely want perfection.. what IS perfection?
in star trek it likely is being a q?? the ideal body.. (immortal, noncorporeal), infinite ability, infinite knowledge?)
hence the dont provoke the borg rule;) the borg likely wish to become q;)