What's with the obsession of forcing people to live?

[Daxank]

Have you ever noticed that?
When people are down and want to end it we always feel like they're wrong and they should keep going, no matter what.

How come?

Why is it that society has normalized forcing people to stay alive despite the fact that most of them see no reason to stay alive?

Because another thing about life is that it isn't worth living by default, and that's just a fact. Everyone has to find their own reason for their life to be worth living, so really, it's not factually worth living.

So why do we try to force everyone to just go on?

[kbiz]

How come? Because people tend to despair in the short-run and only realize they were in a bad headspace later.

[Daxank]

Originally posted by kbiz:

How come? Because people tend to despair in the short-run and only realize they were in a bad headspace later.

But for some it's not short, it lasts, goes on for years even

[White Knight]

I'd say it comes down to...

A) Christianity
B) Basic human compassion

[Daxank]

Originally posted by Parrhesiastes:

I'd say it comes down to...

A) Christianity
B) Basic human compassion

Christianity I can understand, might disagree but I understand how that comes into effect here.

Human compassion tho? Not keeping on would lead to less suffering for the person tho, is that really compassion?

[Dwolfin]

Usually, because most people find a reason. there are goods and bads in life. Most dont have the perception to find the good, depression is a self defeating overpowering mindset that kills and defeats people as successfully as cancer.

As someone who has climbed out of a massively deep hole, I am glad I was able to see that. Though, I will say, that no one can should ever stop someone from killing their self, only try to understand them, maybe convince them otherwise.

[Pierce Dalton]

Originally posted by Parrhesiastes:

I'd say it comes down to...

A) Christianity
B) Basic human compassion

Not only Christianity, but religions in general do not approve suicide.

[kbiz]

Originally posted by Daxank:

Originally posted by kbiz:

How come? Because people tend to despair in the short-run and only realize they were in a bad headspace later.

But for some it's not short, it lasts, goes on for years even

You didn't day that. There is a distribution of depressed people out there. If it's chronic and neverending and you exhausted all options over the course of years, I'd understand. But that's not the default case. For example, some famous Power Rangers actor just killed himself after his wife divorced him. Those types seem to be fae more common.

[Daxank]

Originally posted by kbiz:

Originally posted by Daxank:

But for some it's not short, it lasts, goes on for years even

You didn't day that. There is a distribution of depressed people out there. If it's chronic and neverending and you exhausted all options over the course of years, I'd understand. But that's not the default case. For example, some famous Power Rangers actor just killed himself after his wife divorced him. Those types seem to be fae more common.

I can understand his reason

[Daxank]

Originally posted by Leunhae:

Originally posted by Daxank:

So why do we try to force everyone to just go on?

Because there is always a chance things can change for the better, by choosing death you are disqualifying yourself from that chance.

Originally posted by Daxank:

Why is it that society has normalized forcing people to stay alive despite the fact that most of them see no reason to stay alive?

Because in most cases these feelings of wanting to die are not rational, and to question whether it is a rational statement or emotional statement that will pass is important.

That just really sounds like we want people to just gamble with their lives, more than anything

[agu]

I guess it makes them feel good? It's usually strangers who cannot possibly give a damn about you or your situation (not that they should anyway)
But some of the worst offenders are
>You have people who care about you
How about they actually don't and you're just reminding them of that?
>Dropping phone number copypasta
>Permanent solution for temporary problem
>You are not thinking rationally
I'm not even suicidal but it gets annoying to see people treated like they're being irrational or just met with disbelief when they mention they are.
>It's compassion/empathy
Then why don't they try to empathize with someone who WANTS to end their life? It's always the opposite

[skOsH♥]

Originally posted by Daxank:

Because another thing about life is that it isn't worth living by default, and that's just a fact. Everyone has to find their own reason for their life to be worth living, so really, it's not factually worth living.

100% true

[gugnihr]

Originally posted by Daxank:

Have you ever noticed that?
When people are down and want to end it we always feel like they're wrong and they should keep going, no matter what.

How come?

Why is it that society has normalized forcing people to stay alive despite the fact that most of them see no reason to stay alive?

Because another thing about life is that it isn't worth living by default, and that's just a fact. Everyone has to find their own reason for their life to be worth living, so really, it's not factually worth living.

So why do we try to force everyone to just go on?

Death is always wrong, even when it is natural because of old age.
Death is always the bad thing.
Some people might be in a situation where they suffer too much, so much that it is worse than dying, this is a fault of this world, of nature, even this does not make death "not bad", it is just a proof that nature is the most evil and cruel thing imaginable and deserves only hate.

What I cannot understand is the obsession of forcing people to be born in this cruel, evil, painful universe.
Going against death and always rejecting it is never a bad thing (I think that it is ok to allow people to die if they REALLY suffer too much and genuinely want to die anyway), but creating the problem in the beginning and without any valid reason (life is pointless anyway, only good things and a complete lack of bad things could justify it) is wrong and at least dumb, if not worse (cruel, evil, crazy....)

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Because nine times out of ten it`s a decision done with not enough deliberation or with temporarily clouded judgement.

[𝕎𝕠𝕦𝕤𝕖𝕝𝕫]

Because people that ongoing talk about to end it are just attention seeker.
The people that really want to end it just do it.

[Daxank]

Originally posted by Rumpelcrutchskin:

Because nine times out of ten it`s a decision done with not enough deliberation or with temporarily clouded judgement.

I mean...

If we're being honest....


Does it really matter if you're not there to regret it anymore?

Originally posted by 𝕎𝕠𝕦𝕤𝕖𝕝𝕫:

Because people that ongoing talk about to end it are just attention seeker.
The people that really want to end it just do it.

So if that's all they need, why not provide?
Why deny them something so trivial?
Unless you indeed just want them to suffer, I guess that would answer that