Is sex really like the main thing about relationships to most people?

[Shodan]

I literally couldn't care less 99.99% of the time and that's the last reason why I want to have a girlfriend. I'm starting to feel like I'm completely naive and out of touch, like it's an incredibly common, casual thing and as normal as a handshake, also the biggest purpose of being in a relationship, even. I really hope this isn't the case or I'm ♥♥♥♥♥♥... figuratively.

[GunsForBucks]

Shodan님이 먼저 게시:

I don't think there's a correct answer to what's been going on in the recent comments, just different viewpoints, so you're all not getting anywhere with this. Just saying. I mean, the whole thread is like that, but it feels like you all are trying to prove something that can't be proven.

Talkin' is good
Talkin' makes you think
Talkin' is better than a strong drink

- Animal Logic

[swillfly]

Yes - sexual intercourse is the reason why males & females form relationships; it propagates the species.

Sugar-coat it, romance it, or avoid it if you wish.

[Not Big Surprise]

Ad Victoriam !님이 먼저 게시:

Not Big Surprise님이 먼저 게시:

there is no main objective
and the only failed relationship is one where abuse is present

we are not our bodies, we are not our species, we are individuals with our own ambitions and goals, and you can't pretend like a relationship is a failure just because they have no kids

or what, do relationships end when menopause hits? where do infertile people fit into this retrograde worldview?

Well, menopause prevent from reaching the main goal again, that's why you want to have childrens before that. And later you continue to enjoy doing agreable things the same as before, nothing wrong with that. And yes, infertile peoples are by definition peoples unable to reproduce naturally, so they're unable to reach the main goal to contribute to our evolutionary process.

i don't want to have children

and again, no, there is no "main goal"

Anyway, biology isn't retrogarde, it's just raw reality, without anything to sweeten it or to make it more romantic. That's why it's valuable, because it's something that is always true about humans, no matter the period or the place. What's retrograde is to think that we can put morals above realities, to think that our wishes matter more than the reality itself.

what you're talking about is biological essentialism, and that is in fact retrograde
reducing people to walking bodies, slaves to "the species", is a retrograde viewpoint, and one that ignores the will of actual people

Not Big Surprise님이 먼저 게시:

purpose doesn't precede us, we give purpose to things

Indeed, I agree with that and that's why I've decided to use my will to reinforce my instincts instead of fighting them like most peoples do. My purpose is to accomplish what's my body is made for : performance, survival, reproduction, etc. To exploit my potential fully, in a society were unhealthy habits are encouraged.

okay, then maybe talk about your purpose as a personal thing, rather than talking about it as the "main goal" of life

sleeps님이 먼저 게시:

if you don't agree with conservative then sure go on but hating and consider them the worst people is the reason why we never get along with it.

i think it has more to do with conservative viewpoints often leading to discrimination and stigmatization of anything that isn't deemed "normal"

swillfly님이 먼저 게시:

Yes - sexual intercourse is the reason why males & females form relationships; it propagates the species.

Sugar-coat it, romance it, or avoid it if you wish.

counterpoint, ace people in relationships

[krag hag]

Not Big Surprise님이 먼저 게시:

counterpoint, ace people in relationships

Double counterpoint, infertile people in relationships

[Shodan]

https://arkhamcity.fandom.com/wiki/Point_Counter-Point

[sleeps]

how many counterpoint you guys want?

[swillfly]

happy counterpoint, more is MOAR

[sleeps]

what about people who choose to not have sex? just asking

[Netaris]

Not Big Surprise님이 먼저 게시:

what you're talking about is biological essentialism, and that is in fact retrograde
reducing people to walking bodies, slaves to "the species", is a retrograde viewpoint, and one that ignores the will of actual people

It's still better than actual ideologies that lead peoples to think they have magical power (those who believe that what you say is more important than facts and actions, it's literally the same as believing in magical incantations). Or lead them to have a romanticized vision of wars, like russians right now.

At least it's a very good way to become "propaganda-proof", as you can't deviate too much from your initial purpose, contrary to peoples who don't care about such "retrograde" things.

As I'm most ecological than most peoples giving me lessons about global warming, it seem that my "retrograde" way to see thing also prevent me from becoming too immoral. What's ironic, because I don't focus on that at all ... I don't care about ecology nor morals, but I'm probably more concerned about my environment and the well-being of my own than most of those who annoy me with their own moral values without applying their own recommendations.

[Not Big Surprise]

Ad Victoriam !님이 먼저 게시:

Not Big Surprise님이 먼저 게시:

what you're talking about is biological essentialism, and that is in fact retrograde
reducing people to walking bodies, slaves to "the species", is a retrograde viewpoint, and one that ignores the will of actual people

It's still better than actual ideologies that lead peoples to think they have magical power (those who believe that what you say is more important than facts and actions, it's literally the same as believing in magical incantations). Or lead them to have a romanticized vision of wars, like russians right now.

i don't see how that gives biological essentialism any merit neither by itself nor compared to just... letting people be themselves

At least it's a very good way to become "propaganda-proof", as you can't deviate too much from your initial purpose, contrary to peoples who don't care about such "retrograde" things.

this "initial purpose" is assumed by biological essentialism, there is no "initial purpose" for any given person

As I'm most ecological than most peoples giving me lessons about global warming, it seem that my "retrograde" way to see thing also prevent me from becoming too immoral. What's ironic, because I don't focus on that at all ... I don't care about ecology nor morals, but I'm probably more concerned about my environment and the well-being of my own than most of those who annoy me with their own moral values without applying their own recommendations.

that also doesn't give biological essentialism any merit on its own, nor compared to not assigning a supposedly inherent purpose to other people

[DoomsDay]

if sex is the main thing in their relationship and it works,what a lucky couple.

[Shodan]

I'm somewhere between both of you.

Yeah, the purpose of sex is reproduction and that's why being straight is the "default" way (Nvidia, the way it's meant to be played), but that doesn't mean I have to follow that natural purpose in my own life... what's the point of it if it's not what I want to do? I can choose my own purpose for my own interests because that's the only thing that makes sense for me, I don't care what someone else thinks because that's not my problem. We won't go extinct just because of me, so, again, what's it to anyone else? I mean, I'm not saying I won't have children, I'm just talking from my own perspective for the sake of this example, but I chances are I will have children if I end up finding someone.

[DoomsDay]

Shodan님이 먼저 게시:

I'm somewhere between both of you.

Yeah, the purpose of sex is reproduction and that's why being straight is the "default" way (Nvidia, the way it's meant to be played), but that doesn't mean I have to follow that natural purpose in my own life... what's the point of it if it's not what I want to do? I can choose my own purpose for my own interests because that's the only thing that makes sense for me, I don't care what someone else thinks because that's not my problem. We won't go extinct just because of me, so, again, what's it to anyone else? I mean, I'm not saying I won't have children, I'm just talking from my own perspective for the sake of this example, but I chances are I will have children if I end up finding someone.

if you are not paid to type in this forum,and you dont have your own family,
you need a woman to unwind the words in your brain.it will be easier.

[DoomsDay]

how many war has been fought over the bitterness and ego of one man.
i am sometimes glad,i am just a single man,without an army,without other people writing my speech.

[Not Big Surprise]

Shodan님이 먼저 게시:

I'm somewhere between both of you.

Yeah, the purpose of sex is reproduction and that's why being straight is the "default" way (Nvidia, the way it's meant to be played), but that doesn't mean I have to follow that natural purpose in my own life... what's the point of it if it's not what I want to do? I can choose my own purpose for my own interests because that's the only thing that makes sense for me, I don't care what someone else thinks because that's not my problem. We won't go extinct just because of me, so, again, what's it to anyone else? I mean, I'm not saying I won't have children, I'm just talking from my own perspective for the sake of this example, but I chances are I will have children if I end up finding someone.

actually, no, there is no default on an individual level
people aren't all born straight only fot some to eventually turn gay or ace or bi, people simply have feelings and are attracted to certain things, and the development of these things is completely unique to each individual based on both predisposition and environment

DoomsDay님이 먼저 게시:

Shodan님이 먼저 게시:

I'm somewhere between both of you.

Yeah, the purpose of sex is reproduction and that's why being straight is the "default" way (Nvidia, the way it's meant to be played), but that doesn't mean I have to follow that natural purpose in my own life... what's the point of it if it's not what I want to do? I can choose my own purpose for my own interests because that's the only thing that makes sense for me, I don't care what someone else thinks because that's not my problem. We won't go extinct just because of me, so, again, what's it to anyone else? I mean, I'm not saying I won't have children, I'm just talking from my own perspective for the sake of this example, but I chances are I will have children if I end up finding someone.

if you are not paid to type in this forum,and you dont have your own family,
you need a woman to unwind the words in your brain.it will be easier.

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