Alla diskussioner > Steam-forum > Off Topic > Ämnesdetaljer
Are (potato) chips a scam????
I live in Denmark.

The most popular brand of chips is called Kims.

They recently started putting stickers on their products saying the bag(s) now has 50% less metal.

And I go - okay so they're trying to paint themselves as being pro sustainability or whatever.

But here's the thing: the bag is still at least 50% bigger than it needs to be.

We all know this. It's like that with every brand of chips. The bag is always like 50% air.

So yeah Ngl i find it hard to believe they actually care about the environment.

I suppose to the question is this

Why are potato chips bags at least twice as large as they need to be?????

Something went wrong while displaying this content. Refresh

Error Reference: Community_9721151_
Loading CSS chunk 7561 failed.
(error: https://community.cloudflare.steamstatic.com/public/css/applications/community/communityawardsapp.css?contenthash=789dd1fbdb6c6b5c773d)
Ursprungligen skrivet av TwisterCat:
If it wasn't a scam when they weren't made of real potatoes, when 55% of the bag was air, when they were sold to me stale or using low-grade ingredients and preservatives, then they DEFINITELY were when they starting charging me 5 Canadian dollars for them.
< 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 >
Visar 61-75 av 101 kommentarer
Dracoco OwO 2 feb, 2023 @ 3:07 
Ursprungligen skrivet av Noirat:
It's my understanding that the Family Mart chicken flavored chips are bomb. Famichiki

We will see. I don't get to visit Japan for a while still.
Honestly these days i just go with Dorritos and call it a day when i happen to get chips.
Ursprungligen skrivet av Dracoco OwO:
Ursprungligen skrivet av Noirat:
It's my understanding that the Family Mart chicken flavored chips are bomb. Famichiki

We will see. I don't get to visit Japan for a while still.
Honestly these days i just go with Dorritos and call it a day when i happen to get chips.

ive never had an experience of doritos not being seasoned to death - which i personally love so i also go with those rather often. im a sour cream & onion man. yourself?
Dracoco OwO 2 feb, 2023 @ 3:19 
Ursprungligen skrivet av Heya:
Ursprungligen skrivet av Dracoco OwO:
Honestly these days i just go with Dorritos and call it a day when i happen to get chips.

ive never had an experience of doritos not being seasoned to death - which i personally love so i also go with those rather often. im a sour cream & onion man. yourself?
Nacho Cheese and sometimes Flaming hot, the places where i go get them usually only have these 2 flavors and another one i'm not sure if it's Sour Cream, i think it's the one with blue package.
Ursprungligen skrivet av Dracoco OwO:
Ursprungligen skrivet av Heya:

ive never had an experience of doritos not being seasoned to death - which i personally love so i also go with those rather often. im a sour cream & onion man. yourself?
Nacho Cheese and sometimes Flaming hot, the places where i go get them usually only have these 2 flavors and another one i'm not sure if it's Sour Cream, i think it's the one with blue package.

😉😊😍
Tonepoet 2 feb, 2023 @ 23:36 
Ursprungligen skrivet av Heya:
Ursprungligen skrivet av Tonepoet:

Nah man, I am a filthy N.E.E.T. Your refusal to accept verifiable facts makes me rather suspicious of you though. I am beginning to suspect you might just be a Pringles salesman in disguise, trying to ease us into the idea of buying reconstituted potato slurry in perfectly form fitting cardboard tubes or something.

First of all that's the best definition of Pringles I've ever seen.

Secondly - Pringles are among my favorite chips. I just hate the fact that it's all the same 3-4 varieties here because there are so many others which are damn good - like Tzatziki flavor.

My friend. You are a patient man to have done your research. However.........

Why have you not considered the simple fact that other brands than the popular ones do in fact have virtually no air in the bags at all and still feel taste and smell perfectly fine?

This is proof of the scam.

Neither of those factors prove much of relevance to the bag size. The greasy and grainy feeling of a potato chip only proves that two of the ingredients are the oil and salt granuals that make them so unhealthhy to eat. Also, the whole point of any food preservation measure is that the flavor of the food should remain or less the same as when it was freshly made for longer than it would be otherwise. The whole point of using pure nitrogen is that it reacts less with the food than atmospheric gas containing oxygen. Fresh potato chips are going to taste like fresh potato chips, and the stores are going to clear their inventory of the chips before they go stale, even if that means discarding the food. The only difference you should notice is in the sell-by date.

Moreover, unlike some of the others, I do not think that putting nitrogen in the bags is why they puff them up. That makes no sense. You only need enough nitrogen to displace any atmospheric gas that would otherwise be in the bag, and that is only done because you can not vacuum seal the chips without crushing them. It is only how they puff them up because they are puffing up the bags anyway.

The fact that the bags are puffed up is not in dispute. The only question here is if it is done to trick customers into thinking they are buying more food than they really are, or if it serves a legitimate and practical purpose.

They claim that puffing up the bags helps protect the chips, which is a claim that checks out based on Matpat’s experimental scrutiny of unbagging Doritos, counting out how many chips are in the bag on average, separating out the broken chips from the unbroken chips and putting the unbroken chips back into bags at different ratios to be resealed for weight and drop testing to see how far you can fill the bag before a higher percentage of chips break, which much to Matpat’s disappointment, ended up being just about the number of chips the factory filled them with, indicating that they fill up the bags as far as practically possible. I am really not sure what more evidence you could hope to ask for in such a case.

Also, comparing different chip brands does not work because we do not know if there are differences in how the chips are made or how they are handled before they reach the store.

Also, as long as we are discussing smaller brands of chips and which ones are our favorite, it is time to bring out the cincher to this argumment. My personal favorite potato chips are actually Rusty’s Island Chips[rustyschips.com], and admittedly, those bags do not have as much slack fill as other brands. You get quite a few chips for the size of the bag, but I do not want to discuss the details of that.

However, Rusty’s Island Chips are thick enough that sometimes they feel like they could cut into the roof of my mouth. This not only gives them a whole bunch of crunch, but it indicates that that they have more structural integrity than the typical Lay's potato chip, and they are also handmade in small batches without automation, so they probably are not being dropped around nearly as much as cheaper factory made chips.

However, at the end of the end of the day a bag of Rusty’s Island Chips is still only going to be about halfway full, and this is definitely not because they want to try and fool customers into thinking they are buying twice as many chips. How can I be so sure that Rusty’s chips have no intention of scamming people? Well, that is what makes them the cincher. That is because Island Chips possess the relatively unique trait of being sold in mostly transparent bags, so you can see exactly how many chips are inside.

I am pretty willing to bet that you have never seen potato chips sold in transparent bags before, and there is goood reason for that. That is a rather bold move for a potato chip company, because light also has a degrading effect upon food, and in combination with the fact that they use no preservatives other than the salt used to flavor the chips, it indicates that their business strategy is probably only to make enough chips to sell out in relatively shorter order.

Now if you want to talk about consumer transparency, you really can’t get much more transparent than a literally clear plastic bag. There is no fooling the customer into thinking they get more chips than they actually get with that. Yet the Rusty’s bags still have a significant amount of empty space in them[m.media-amazon.com], even though you could not possibly trick the customer with them, indicating that there has to be some other reason for the empty space.

Finally, this sort of grift does not make much sense to be honest. It is not as if empty bag space is free. You have to pay the cost of making the bag bigger, filling it up with extra nitrogen and perhaps most importantly for the additional transportation of shipping higher volume products.
.
You know what does make sense though? Using puffed up potato chip bags as air cushions for other potato chip bags being shipped in the same case. It is the same principle as packing peanuts, bubble wrap, crumpled up newspaper and perhaps more relevantly the air cushions Amazon usually puts into their boxes. If you can use potato chip bags as packaging material for other potato chip bags, then instead of wasting shipping volume, you are saving it.

Moreover, puffing up the bags with extra gas prevents store employees from crushing them flat, because they can not do that without exerting enough force to pop the bag like a balloon, which is not only difficult because chip bags are sturdier than balloons but would also render the chips unsellable if it did happen, disincentivizing the shelf stockers from trying to cram too many bags on the shelves by crushing them because they are paid too little to care about anything that will not get them reprimanded and potentially fired by their supervisors.

Also, yeah, I thought that was a particularly clever definition for pringles too, but in retrospect I should have said dehydrated potato slurry, since the word reconstituted is usually used to indicate that you are making dry foods moist again. You could possibly make the case that reconstituted is still appropriate depending on the meaning of the word constitution, but meh.
Senast ändrad av Tonepoet; 2 feb, 2023 @ 23:41
tmwfte 2 feb, 2023 @ 23:41 
That's disappointing. You'd think in a Scandinavian country, they'd learn that what people really want is more metal with their chips.

There's nothing quite like blackened death metal and vinegar chips.
Senast ändrad av tmwfte; 2 feb, 2023 @ 23:41
nullpo 2 feb, 2023 @ 23:42 
Ursprungligen skrivet av xAlphaStarOmegax:
Ursprungligen skrivet av ṼṏẌṏḭḊ:
I don't remember what it is exactly, but the bags aren't filled with air, it's nitrogen or something.
Keeps everything nice and fresh until the bag is opened.
I get that they have to do that, but why do they have to fill up half the bag with that? Couldn't they just fill it up with a little bit?
Because filling it with more of that gas (not nitrogen but I also forgot, been a while since I look at my food technology material) means the chips stay crisp longer and thus able to stay on shelf longer.
the next person in this thread who confuses oxygyn with nitrogen or vice versa is getting permanently banned
Ursprungligen skrivet av Heya:
the next person in this thread who confuses oxygyn with nitrogen or vice versa is getting permanently banned
You just did.
qbl²¾ 3 feb, 2023 @ 0:24 
Ursprungligen skrivet av Heya:
the next person in this thread who confuses oxygyn with nitrogen or vice versa is getting permanently banned
why even bother arent both made of air
Ursprungligen skrivet av Oskar²:
Ursprungligen skrivet av Heya:
the next person in this thread who confuses oxygyn with nitrogen or vice versa is getting permanently banned
why even bother arent both made of air
Air is a mixture of multiple gases, including nitrogen and oxygen.
Ursprungligen skrivet av Oskar²:
Ursprungligen skrivet av Heya:
the next person in this thread who confuses oxygyn with nitrogen or vice versa is getting permanently banned
why even bother arent both made of air

i dont know i dropped out in 6th grade but even i have enough of a brain to know that they shouldnt be called two different things if theyre the same thing
Ursprungligen skrivet av Cokefish (shrillby):
Ursprungligen skrivet av Oskar²:
why even bother arent both made of air
Air is a mixture of multiple gases, including nitrogen and oxygen.

then why not just call it air then
kilésengati 3 feb, 2023 @ 0:30 
Do they also sell these vacuum-sealed bricks of peanuts at Netto in Denmark?

Can't get more honest and efficient packaging than that, but I doubt something as fragile as chips would survive that.

Still, the amount of air in these bags - even with the nicely stacked ones in cans - is way too much.
Ursprungligen skrivet av kilésengati:
Do they also sell these vacuum-sealed bricks of peanuts at Netto in Denmark?

Can't get more honest and efficient packaging than that, but I doubt something as fragile as chips would survive that.

Still, the amount of air in these bags - even with the nicely stacked ones in cans - is way too much.

yup! netto used to have some amazing chips called Scottie - but they took those out of circulation to the displeasure of everyone. yet another scam in the history of chips scam. i know a lot on this issue as you can hear.

i dont get those peanuts because the peanuts at rema are way better and cheaper. but netto has those roasted peanuts which are bomb - apart from the fact that theyre drenched in oil. if you put them under a hydraulic press, yuck.
< 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 >
Visar 61-75 av 101 kommentarer
Per sida: 1530 50

Alla diskussioner > Steam-forum > Off Topic > Ämnesdetaljer
Datum skrivet: 31 jan, 2023 @ 22:53
Inlägg: 101