I ♥♥♥♥ on Jordan Peterson's degree.

[Shodan 2.0]

I saw a video on his official YouTube channel where he basically said that true friends are not people who secretly hope for you to fail at something behind your back. Are you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ kidding me? This is the most obvious thing that all children at kindergarten understand, but he says this basic stuff in such pretentious ways that make his fans go "OH YEAH MISTER PETERSON, YOU'RE SUCH A WISE PERSON, THIS IS WHAT THE WORLD TODAY NEEDS!!!".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjENwU-k4Ks

Here is a case where he looks and acts like he escaped from a nuthouse and instantly starts crying like a baby over his nonsensical sentences that sound like they come from a random number generator.

Also, he says that friendship between men and women is impossible and cannot work which is false and it's really sad that someone with a psychology degree and 60 years of life experience makes such ridiculous statements for a living. That and all the absurd schizophrenic conspiracy theories that he supports because he doesn't understand anything and he acts so paranoid over nonexistent issues that are made up just so that there could be something to be paranoid about.

[Not Big Surprise]

Naru a écrit :

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in simple terms, a person who is not trans

a more detailed explanation would detail that a cis person is someone whose gender identity matches with the sex assigned at birth


outside this context, the words cis and trans have been used as prefixes in chemistry and other areas, referring to concepts opposite to each other

No idea?

That's ok. I have a second question that may be easier to answer.

How many women did Bruce Jenner run over?

wdym no idea

did you quote my post by accident?

[Not Big Surprise]

Fake a écrit :

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in simple terms, a person who is not trans

a more detailed explanation would detail that a cis person is someone whose gender identity matches with the sex assigned at birth


outside this context, the words cis and trans have been used as prefixes in chemistry and other areas, referring to concepts opposite to each other

Yeah, I'm not going to play mental gymnastics to even try to understand what you wrote.

it's not mental gymnastics

for the time being, all you need to know is that cis and trans are opposites
do you understand now?

[Not Big Surprise]

Naru a écrit :

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wdym no idea

did you quote my post by accident?

No, I just didn't get an answer to my first question so I assumed you didn't know the answer. Here it is again:

Naru a écrit :

How many male contestant races has Cathrine Jenner won?

oh, i didn't see that quote before

...did you quote me by accident?

[Fake]

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Yeah, I'm not going to play mental gymnastics to even try to understand what you wrote.

it's not mental gymnastics

for the time being, all you need to know is that cis and trans are opposites
do you understand now?

Why are you using chemistry terms to describe biology?

XX = female
XY = male

Wouldn't that make more sense?

[Triple G]

Naru a écrit :

How many male contestant races has Cathrine Jenner won?

What´s the point? That trans people should be banned from sports - or have their own sports competition? If yes - how is this related to that guy the topic is about? I never heard of all these people mentioned here.

So that Peterson guy was a biological woman before? Who cares?

[Shodan 2.0]

Triple G a écrit :

So that Peterson guy was a biological woman before? Who cares?

Oh God.

And yeah, the thread completely derailed for some reason.

[Triple G]

Naru a écrit :

No, see... Elliot page played a role in X-Men before becoming Elliot page, and is listed as Elliot Page despite being literally credited to Ellen Page in the movie credits, so I'm just wondering how many male Olympics races Catherine Jenner won, considering none of her fellow olympian competitors identify as female to date.

If it´s about competition in sports i guess it´s a topic on it´s own. There are good points why trans people perhaps shouldn´t compete with their "new" gender - and probably there are points, why they should do it. And how they officially identify now compared to how they were called and identified in the past is their thing.

[Not Big Surprise]

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it's not mental gymnastics

for the time being, all you need to know is that cis and trans are opposites
do you understand now?

Why are you using chemistry terms to describe biology?

XX = female
XY = male

Wouldn't that make more sense?

i'm using terms that are also used in other contexts to talk about discrepancy between gender identity and assigned sex at birth
which, even assuming sex determination actually was as simple as a singular chromosome simply existing, would still be an assignation as nearly no doctor ever runs a chromosomal test on a newborn

not that it would matter, since as i just implied, we have come to discover that sex determination in the body is much more complex than simply the last chromosome pair, as a multitude of genes in a multitude of chromosomes affect different systems and influence different developments that then lead to different gonads developing, which then secrete different hormones, which in turn bind to certain receptors to make the body shape up and behave in certain ways


but that's a tangent and a half; none of this even matters as we're not even talking about sex, we're talking about gender in comparison to (assigned) sex

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oh, i didn't see that quote before

...did you quote me by accident?

Not really, no.

Did you dodge both questions by accident? I can provide a Wikipedia page if it helps.

I'm no expert on the whole trans lifestyle, so I just want to make sure I dot my Zi's and cross my Ghostgenders without offending anyone.

i seriously don't get what your question is trying to do

the ♥♥♥♥ does some rando running over people have to do with the discussion at hand?

Naru a écrit :

Triple G a écrit :

What´s the point? That trans people should be banned from sports - or have their own sports competition? If yes - how is this related to that guy the topic is about? I never heard of all these people mentioned here.

So that Peterson guy was a biological woman before? Who cares?

No, see... Elliot page played a role in X-Men before becoming Elliot page, and is listed as Elliot Page despite being literally credited to Ellen Page in the movie credits, so I'm just wondering how many male Olympics races Catherine Jenner won, considering none of her fellow olympian competitors identify as female to date.

it's almost as if they're the same people at different times, one moment being before being recognized as one gender and the other moment being after

[Shodan 2.0]

Bukov a écrit :

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Oh God.

And yeah, the thread completely derailed for some reason.

hmm yeah I wonder why. lol.

Yeah, that's how it always is, then when they start talking about all kinds of random nonsense, it's actually because YOU don't have any arguments, then when you outright list a few specific questions and say nothing else, just ask them straightforward questions, they just ignore that and proceed to repeat that YOU don't have any arguments.

[Shodan 2.0]

Eréndira a écrit :

TIL Ellen Page is now Elliot Page. That's really the tl;dr of this thread, IMO.

NBS, as you seem willing to discuss or explain, I should say, can you please dissect this whole "non-binary but trans" mentality? It's something I truly do not understand. I come from the generation of people who wanted to challenge binaries by challenging societal expectations of both sexes and sticking a middle finger to it by starting with applauding androgynous fashion.

Yeah, I'm not sure about this either. If you're saying what I think you are.

Like, Starfield now has "Body type 1" and "Body type 2" instead of male and female options like it used to be and criticizing that is apparently "transphobic". How can that even be? If anything, it's the complete opposite of "transphobic" because isn't the whole point of being transgender that you're now male or female instead of female or male? Why talk so much about being "the other" gender, only to ♥♥♥♥ all over it by replacing the genders with "body type 1 / A and 2 / B"? This also ♥♥♥♥♥ on the whole "point" of being gay, lesbian and "bi"sexual. So, I really don't understand, it looks like the L, G, B and T only get screwed over by this if anything, not that it benefits them.

[Shodan 2.0]

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Yeah, I'm not sure about this either. If you're saying what I think you are.
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From what little I've read so far, it looks like Page's stance is largely political. I think they've always been that way, with regard to certain leanings. But I'm just trying to understand how someone can take a hardened stance on something like not believing in binary and yet living in accordance with it anyway. It doesn't appear to coincide.

Yeah, exactly. People like that claim to be against "gender stereotypes", then proceed to make the very "gender stereotypes" their entire personality. Hell, even the 80+ years olds who go to church every day in my backwards conservative country don't think it's "feminine" for me, male, to have long hair. Like, Jesus Christ is always portrayed with even longer hair than mine... Come on...

[Othobrithol]

Going back to the original topic, the existential dread visibly painted across that poor man's face as he tries in vain to simultaneously be both an impartial intellectual navigating the nuances of complex societal problems, well outside of his educational background, while failing to come to any meaningful addition to the conversation while simultaneously serving his own desires by selling his soul and providing a veneer of cover for the semi-intellectual figureheads leading 'the culture war' in order to pay for his increasingly erratic 'mental health' treatments in his quest to not feel like a complete sell-out that has no control over their lives.

I have no real opinion on the matter.

[Shodan 2.0]

Othobrithol a écrit :

Going back to the original topic, the existential dread visibly painted across that poor man's face as he tries in vain to simultaneously be both an impartial intellectual navigating the nuances of complex societal problems, well outside of his educational background, while failing to come to any meaningful addition to the conversation while simultaneously serving his own desires by selling his soul and providing a veneer of cover for the semi-intellectual figureheads leading 'the culture war' in order to pay for his increasingly erratic 'mental health' treatments in his quest to not feel like a complete sell-out that has no control over their lives.

I have no real opinion on the matter.

Sounds about right.

[videomike_Ultimate_Plushie]

Mattmoo a écrit :

If this thread is really about Peterson then keep it to that, no need to go off track.

I agree this is bothering me. It's like a slim few people are adament to put it far off track. Conversation always kind of orbits around the point but we're HARD in off-topic tangent.

[videomike_Ultimate_Plushie]

Not Big Surprise a écrit :

last i remember about him was him being butthurt over a temporary twitter suspension because he deadnamed elliot page and called the surgeons that did his top surgery evil

You mean Ellen Page right? I really don't care whatever name she gives herself, but in what universe is being banned from a major communicate platform of not using the name someone wants to be called? You can call myself whatever you'd want, no one has the right to ban you from a major communicaiton platform over not being called the name they choose. That seems like a legitimate reason to be upset.