What happens if China invades Taiwan?

[Faster With Feeling]

So yeah looks like they are trying to provoke the west what happens if the invasion does happen?

[RRW359]

Цитата допису Nugget:

Цитата допису RRW359:

So you're saying we should invade other NATO members? Also neither is Taiwan, and what more do you want in Ukraine other then giving them supplies that are clearly enough for them to be winning?

yes that's exactly what I was saying /s

I was pointing out there is no comparison to be made between a country that asks for assistance and iraq where bush and whoever else decided to go and f*** it all up

I never said we shouldn't be helping Ukraine, just that it's weird when people say that we should help more when we are doing about as much as everyone else and there is a lot of hesitation about getting into another war.

[EpirusWarriorμολὼνλαβέ]

Цитата допису RRW359:

Цитата допису EpirusWarriorμολὼνλαβέ:

There is and is called
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interventionism_(politics)
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

And is same people that send into iraq

https://theweek.com/articles/809540/continuing-lunacy-neocons

I never said we shouldn't be helping Ukraine, just that it's weird when people say that we should help more when we are doing about as much as everyone else and there is a lot of hesitation about getting into another war.

I think you qouted me by mistake that's not what I was saying, I was explaining something else.

[gugnihr]

Цитата допису Cyanide Muffin67:

So yeah looks like they are trying to provoke the west what happens if the invasion does happen?

China killed millions of people and caused huge damages all around the world with its Covid "social experiment" and nobody cares and nobody want to acknowledge that but the invasion of another asian Country would be considered a provocation against the west...
We really live in a completely messed up world.

[SirKnechtalot]

Цитата допису Amuro0079:

But mainland China is part of ROC too. ... and the correct question should be which one is the legitimate government, not if Taiwan is part of China.

Booth basically hold legitimate claims onto each other and booth have "unity" writen into their "constitutions". Realisticly PRC is by far the more powerful in every aspect thus it violating our rules´s just to piss us off. And yes the west installed this global set of rules after WWII. As of now China respected this set of rules though.

[Q-T_3.14.exe]

Цитата допису Xero_Daxter:

I’m gonna be honest… leaders should fight their own battles. Biden vs Putin.

Money goes to Putin.

A boxing match between Biden and Putin would be something I would watch. Or wrestling?

[gugnihr]

Цитата допису Nugget:

Цитата допису gugnihr:

China killed millions of people and caused huge damages all around the world with its Covid "social experiment" and nobody cares and nobody want to acknowledge that but the invasion of another asian Country would be considered a provocation against the west...
We really live in a completely messed up world.

usa was funding covid research at the wuhan lab it escaped from, why would china shutdown the world economy in a massive own goal like that?

To oppress common people.
CCP is a dictatorship and Covid has been used as a tool to oppress people and dismantle the most basic freedom and rights.
Apps on your smartphone that control every movement and flag you as contagious if somebody in the government don't like you and / or want to control you more strictly.
For example.
They are so much control freaks that they have been willing to damage their own economy (they knew that they would have damaged the rest of the world too, so that their Country wouldn't be too much at a disadvantage compared to others, so they didn't care about that) to achieve that.

[RRW359]

Цитата допису gugnihr:

Цитата допису Cyanide Muffin67:

So yeah looks like they are trying to provoke the west what happens if the invasion does happen?

China killed millions of people and caused huge damages all around the world with its Covid "social experiment" and nobody cares and nobody want to acknowledge that but the invasion of another asian Country would be considered a provocation against the west...
We really live in a completely messed up world.

An invasion is by definition a first strike and is easier to condem. Most people aren't convinced that Covid was artificial, let alone that it was intentionally spread (taking "advantage" of a situation isn't the same as instigating it).

[mr_raze]

Цитата допису EpirusWarriorμολὼνλαβέ:

Цитата допису mr_raze:

dingus, how is China going to import anything from Brazil if their naval ports are completely blockaded? durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

This guy calling other dingus. What are you talking about? Are even listening to yourself? Seriously.. this guy ...Do you know understand what power the military china has and their expenditure ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_China


You think they dealing with Iraq that they can as easily blockade them ?

Has your brain cells totally left you? They are the second biggest economy in world and the second country in world for military expenditures.
https://www.investopedia.com/insights/worlds-top-economies/
You think they just going to allow blockades with the investment of GDP china puts in their miltary ? They not some county in middle east that america can do what they want because lack of military expenidtures. China expenditures in deffense are $270 billion per year, the second in world for GDP allowcation to military expenidtures.

From your response sound like you grasp very little geopolitics, economics and military, along all polcies and the role of china and the implications in a global world.

to anyone else reading, this guy is so stupid. China spent $293 billion in 2021 on military. USA spent $801 billion. most of China's military doesn't even understand how to use the newer high tech stuff they just bought.

China has 25 major seaports that are very easy to blockade. their new naval fleets are already rusting over and leaking because, well, they are made in China.

yet this dingus thinks that China, a country with an untested military who last saw war for a few weeks against Vietnam in 1979, can beat USA. lmfao. China's war plans will collapse quicker than their buildings. just stop d!k-riding China already.

[SirKnechtalot]

Цитата допису gugnihr:

To oppress common people.

We allready went through this "lack of basic reasoning argument"?
China is allready an oppressive dictatorship? If this was a deliberate bioweapons attack it was probably the most illfated in known history. Even if it was just an accident it was nearly as badly handled as POTUS45 ingenious mastery did.

All this sabre rattling is just theatre since the CCP has at least proven to be a reasonable actor. And China looses all options if they go all in with bombarding or blockading Taiwan. There´s no gain thus it won´t happen.

[Stalwart87]

China has been threatening to invade Taiwan countless times but at no time did they really do it because the chinese government cannot bear the cost and consequences of war. The logic for China is that it's more cost effective to buy Taiwan than invade them. To buy influencers, businesses, political parties and finance elections of pro China candidates.

On the surface China's economy looks good but in essence many people are living below the poverty line. No matter how much their economy grows, the income per capita remains relative low. That's because wealth is pocketed by the CCP and the rest of the elites. It's the major cause for income inequality much like how the Russian oligarchy is to Russian citizens. The richest 10% of China's population owns more than 70% of total household wealth.

With growing income inequality, staggering national debt, failed investments abroad, foreign businesses pulling out, resource shortage, housing market in freefall and citizens losing their savings as a result, China can't afford not to recover their economy, much less fight a war.

If Xi and the Politburo are stupid enough to invade Taiwan, their influence will start to erode and people will no longer care if they're the world's factory. It's no question China will be sanctioned. Like how US and NATO sanctioned Russia despite EU being in dire need of Russian energy. The Malacca straits would probably be blockaded by the US, also taking into consideration ASEAN's deep seated resentment towards China's nine dash line. It's going to be a fool's errand to continue fighting Taiwan with no access to resources.

The other reason for China's reluctance in war is no combat experience. They have no way of determining combat effectiveness. Their whole military playbook is just that. It's based on a book with untested strategies used by an untested military force. How chinese UN peacekeepers abandoned their posts, weapons and ammo in the Sudan conflict also proves that the PLA are spineless cowards and by extension, their government. Their retreat in the 1996 Taiwan Strait Crisis is also indicative of that. China's navy enjoys threatening fishermen in South East Asia but when faced with a real threat, they flee.

Furthermore, Afghanistan and Vietnam has taught us that defenders would rather die fighting than be subjugated in their own land. Military lessons from both ancient and modern times have shown that you need 10 times more soldiers to invade a country. So if China chooses to invade Taiwan, they're going to pay a heavy price. It will probably set back China's economy to Mao's great famine. It will be the end for the CCP. All things considered, China will always be a paper tiger. All bark and no bite.

[mr_raze]

Цитата допису Nugget:

Цитата допису mr_raze:

to anyone else reading, this guy is so stupid. China spent $293 billion in 2021 on military. USA spent $801 billion. most of China's military doesn't even understand how to use the newer high tech stuff they just bought.

China has 25 major seaports that are very easy to blockade. their new naval fleets are already rusting over and leaking because, well, they are made in China.

yet this dingus thinks that China, a country with an untested military who last saw war for a few weeks against Vietnam in 1979, can beat USA. lmfao. China's war plans will collapse quicker than their buildings. just stop d!k-riding China already.

funny you'd mention vietnam in the same comment that you're bragging about how big usa military spending is

I'm only talking about USA's military spending because he wanted to brag about China's military spending, dummy

[Zero, Dark Knight]

I think a lot of people who did recent comments forget, totally and utterly, that every country in the world -- especially Western ones -- are reliant on "Other countries" for imports. food, rare minerals, metals, etc. :P No one would win in a war. One side would lose more than than the other would lose, and tbh- I still think it would be the West who would lose more in the end - even if they would ""Win"" the battles.

[Xero_Daxter]

China is a paper tiger. Warfare has changed a lot. The last war they were in was 1979 and it was inconclusive.

For America we have a lot of combat experience, go overseas to train other countries, and trade weapons.

[Silverkite]

too small for them

[mr_raze]

Цитата допису Zero, Dark Knight:

I think a lot of people who did recent comments forget, totally and utterly, that every country in the world -- especially Western ones -- are reliant on "Other countries" for imports. food, rare minerals, metals, etc. :P No one would win in a war. One side would lose more than than the other would lose, and tbh- I still think it would be the West who would lose more in the end - even if they would ""Win"" the battles.

you're forgetting that China has no farmland left because they destroyed their own environment. USA and most other countries could increase their food production. China simply cannot.