What happens if China invades Taiwan?

[Faster With Feeling]

So yeah looks like they are trying to provoke the west what happens if the invasion does happen?

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

If this happens

I have the US and Europe stays ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ out of this conflict.

At least in Europe. We can barely afford to stay against Russia. If we mess everything up with China too. We're ♥♥♥♥♥♥. There's nothing which could happen. And the US won't give a damn about what happens to Europe.

[EpirusWarriorμολὼνλαβέ]

Publicado originalmente por eqalidan:

if china takes taiwan, or at least tries, that is going to be the world war 3 spark due to silicon manufacturing. if taiwan pulls the dead man trigger, silicon manufacturing in taiwan is rigged to explode if china invades, there will be such a massive hole it will take the better part of a decade to fill, and it will probably take even longer for a backlog of silicon to be cleared.

only thing really stopping china is if the west goes easy and just cuts all ties with china, a hard break up of economic interests, the west will be hurt but china will be completely crippled, at least that's what their internal survey told them. it was around that reports time that they kind of backed off of completely antagonizing the west in an open way.

Third war do you even grasp what it means ? You using a lose term. Second what you mean by silicon? Do you mean semiconductor because is not the same. You have Korea and plenty of others semiconductor producers, tawain is not the only and not the most important even in ASIA, let alone else where.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_industry

No one will start a third war because of Semiconductors production halt in Taiwan.

[RRW359]

Publicado originalmente por The Nintendo Guy:

If this happens

I have the US and Europe stays ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ out of this conflict.

At least in Europe. We can barely afford to stay against Russia. If we mess everything up with China too. We're ♥♥♥♥♥♥. There's nothing which could happen. And the US won't give a damn about what happens to Europe.

I'm trying to avoid an argument about US military policy but it is kind of annoying how when we get into a conflict like Iraq without really thinking (and that conflict doesn't threaten Europe) then we are warmongering but if we learn from that and start hesitating those same people say we don't care.

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

Publicado originalmente por eqalidan:

if china takes taiwan, or at least tries, that is going to be the world war 3 spark due to silicon manufacturing. if taiwan pulls the dead man trigger, silicon manufacturing in taiwan is rigged to explode if china invades, there will be such a massive hole it will take the better part of a decade to fill, and it will probably take even longer for a backlog of silicon to be cleared.

only thing really stopping china is if the west goes easy and just cuts all ties with china, a hard break up of economic interests, the west will be hurt but china will be completely crippled, at least that's what their internal survey told them. it was around that reports time that they kind of backed off of completely antagonizing the west in an open way.

"the west will be hurt"

That's under exaggerated.
I just want to remind you that we're living in a world where even fridges have a ton of computer chips in them for whatever reason. And most of our computer chips come from Taiwan or China.
And have you ever looked at how much other stuff in your household gets produced in China?

And China is also extremely dependent on the west.

In my honest opinion. Both China AND the west will take extreme economical damage, Either way. It wouldn't end well. For both sides.

[Dom]

China's recent aggressive actions are highly concerning, whether it has to do with Hong Kong or Taiwan. They are willing to cause a lot of suffering and harm so that they can grow their empire, which is becoming increasingly authoritarian.

Taiwan is peaceful and democratic, stands up for human rights, rule of law and liberties. It is doing an amazing job at it.

A similar battle for freedom and democracy is happening with Russia-Ukraine conflict.

If we allow authoritarian regimes and aggressors to gain land and influence, the end-result is a far more dangerous world. Less peaceful, less stable. These few small regions are fighting for all of us.

We must do all we can to ensure that aggression and hatred has no place in this world. Or at the very least it is not the road to victory and success.

[Zero, Dark Knight]

Publicado originalmente por RRW359:

I'm trying to avoid an argument about US military policy

so am I and it's painful to see people being so.. uh, naive, about how things really are. :P

[EpirusWarriorμολὼνλαβέ]

Publicado originalmente por Dom:

China's recent aggressive actions are highly concerning, whether it has to do with Hong Kong or Taiwan. They are willing to cause a lot of suffering and harm so that they can grow their empire, which is becoming increasingly authoritarian.

Taiwan is a peaceful and democratic that, stands up for human rights, rule of law and liberties. It is doing an amazing job at it.

A similar battle for freedom and democracy is happening with Russia-Ukraine conflict.

If we allow authoritarian regimes and aggressors to gain land and influence, the end-result is a far more dangerous world. Less peaceful, less stable. These few small regions are fighting for all of us.

We must do all we can to ensure that aggression and hatred has no place in this world.

https://theweek.com/articles/809540/continuing-lunacy-neocons


https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2022/05/25/the-ww-iii-that-biden-and-all-other-neocons-are-leading-u-s-toward/

https://www.cato.org/blog/what-larger-theory-neoconservatism-based

[Xero_Daxter]

Publicado originalmente por Plaid:

Publicado originalmente por Xero_Daxter:

Why can’t China just leave the little guys alone? Why not fight someone their own size like the United States? 1v1.

Btw, I have Chinese in me so I can say this.

why is the U.S reaching so far out, starting ♥♥♥♥ in other regions of the world, in other countries and on rival country borders?
You realize the US is desperately trying to hold onto gobal hegemony, right.

Are we going to see a repeat of the narrative around Ukraine? "China woke up one morning and decided to invade Taiwan. Xitler! Xitler!"

I don’t contribute to anything to the American War Machine. I just live here.

[Dom]

Publicado originalmente por EpirusWarriorμολὼνλαβέ:

Publicado originalmente por Dom:

China's recent aggressive actions are highly concerning, whether it has to do with Hong Kong or Taiwan. They are willing to cause a lot of suffering and harm so that they can grow their empire, which is becoming increasingly authoritarian.

Taiwan is a peaceful and democratic that, stands up for human rights, rule of law and liberties. It is doing an amazing job at it.

A similar battle for freedom and democracy is happening with Russia-Ukraine conflict.

If we allow authoritarian regimes and aggressors to gain land and influence, the end-result is a far more dangerous world. Less peaceful, less stable. These few small regions are fighting for all of us.

We must do all we can to ensure that aggression and hatred has no place in this world.

https://theweek.com/articles/809540/continuing-lunacy-neocons


https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2022/05/25/the-ww-iii-that-biden-and-all-other-neocons-are-leading-u-s-toward/

https://www.cato.org/blog/what-larger-theory-neoconservatism-based

Oh boy; these sources...
Moderndiplomacy is anti-western disinformation channel.

I don't care about media outlets that are backed or funded by authoritarian regimes.

[EpirusWarriorμολὼνλαβέ]

Here is professor jeffery sach take on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmOePNsNFw0

[EpirusWarriorμολὼνλαβέ]

Publicado originalmente por Dom:

Publicado originalmente por EpirusWarriorμολὼνλαβέ:

https://theweek.com/articles/809540/continuing-lunacy-neocons


https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2022/05/25/the-ww-iii-that-biden-and-all-other-neocons-are-leading-u-s-toward/

https://www.cato.org/blog/what-larger-theory-neoconservatism-based

Oh boy; these sources...
Moderndiplomacy is anti-western disinformation channel.

I don't care about media outlets that are backed or funded by authoritarian regimes.

Care to explian how they backing such regimes and what basis you saying it?


Now what about BBC ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fBVvSvUawE

And forgeing policy?
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/07/02/biden-revolution-roosevelt-tradition-us-foreign-policy-school-international-relations-interdependence/


Or Professor jeffery sach?

https://www.jeffsachs.org/newspaper-articles/m6rb2a5tskpcxzesjk8hhzf96zh7w7

or the week

https://theweek.com/articles/528827/rise-neocons



https://www.e-ir.info/2009/06/01/neo-conservatism-and-american-foreign-policy/

They also back china? GTFO..

These are institutions and power brokers pal in actual goverment and make policies and not just media rambling and is western media and not chinese saying it on top of the rest. So get a clue because you have no idea what you talking about and this point you talking pure sensless stuff.

/https://militarist-monitor.org/profile/project_for_the_new_american_century/


https://www.ieri.be/en/publications/wp/2021/mai/joe-biden-and-neoconservatism

https://uwidata.com/15389-neocons-and-liberal-hawks-in-bidens-team/

[Xero_Daxter]

I’m gonna be honest… leaders should fight their own battles. Biden vs Putin.

Money goes to Putin.

[RRW359]

Publicado originalmente por Nugget:

Publicado originalmente por RRW359:

I'm trying to avoid an argument about US military policy but it is kind of annoying how when we get into a conflict like Iraq without really thinking (and that conflict doesn't threaten Europe) then we are warmongering but if we learn from that and start hesitating those same people say we don't care.

Obviously you know iraq wasn't a member of nato, so completely bunk comparison to make

So you're saying we should invade other NATO members? Also neither is Taiwan, and what more do you want in Ukraine other then giving them supplies that are clearly enough for them to be winning?

[DoomsDay]

usa pulled its troops out from middle east,people all seem pleased,russia now gets caught in a constant war with ukraine,and are people happy about it?
it only seems,human language is proven very useful in war games.what is the most popular game,war game.or no game at all.

[EpirusWarriorμολὼνλαβέ]

Publicado originalmente por Nugget:

Publicado originalmente por RRW359:

So you're saying we should invade other NATO members? Also neither is Taiwan, and what more do you want in Ukraine other then giving them supplies that are clearly enough for them to be winning?

yes that's exactly what I was saying /s

I was pointing out there is no comparison to be made between a country that asks for assistance and iraq where bush and whoever else decided to go and f*** it all up

There is and is called
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interventionism_(politics)
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

And is same people that shaped the geopolitical policies into Iraq, Afganistan, Syria, Lybia, Ukriane that are yet again shaping the same geopolitical policies with china

https://theweek.com/articles/809540/continuing-lunacy-neocons