Isn't college free??
Like my father paid for my college completely so I wouldn't know, but guys, why do people complain about student loans, isn't community college completely free????
< >
Mostrando 61-75 de 120 comentarios
Sardonicus 25 DIC 2022 a las 11:25 
Not where I live which is the US. It's cheaper, but not free. Cost me around 3,000 a semester where I live, but you can only get an associates degree at the highest going there which isn't worth much.
Ganger 25 DIC 2022 a las 11:44 
Publicado originalmente por Sardie:
Not where I live which is the US. It's cheaper, but not free. Cost me around 3,000 a semester where I live, but you can only get an associates degree at the highest going there which isn't worth much.

We in europe mostly get free health, college and good benefits because we don't need to spend money on our own defend/military because you guys (USA) protects us with your military. Simple as that really.
Sardonicus 25 DIC 2022 a las 11:45 
Publicado originalmente por Ulfrinn:
Nothing is free. As much as people in some countries want to believe their college or healthcare is, it's not. Someone pays for it. For you to receive something you didn't work for, someone has to work for something they didn't receive.

Those teachers gets money from somewhere. They get it from government. Government gets its money from the people who work so in those places, or even in the US if you receive grants or loans it doesn't matter, you'll be paying for college for the rest of your life.. as well as the college of people who got useless degrees that only qualifies them to flip burgers after graduating. So no, it's not free here, it's not free elsewhere.
You're not making any sense. You claim that for something to be free for someone, someone else worked for something they didn't receive and yet the whole point is literally EVERYONE gets healthcare and college. If people squander their education it doesn't stop someone else from getting into STEM or whatever and living their dream. Should we also ban public education for children because some of those kids aren't going to pay attention or take it seriously?

The reality is that we live in a society, where we pay taxes in exchange for things like roads, public spaces, and various things that provide the infrastructure make everyone's lives better, using a fraction of the money we would spend if we had to cover the whole thing by ourselves. If society functioned how you wanted it to where people only get the things they can personally pay for at the moment we'd live in a world where only people who can afford to pay the polices salary are allowed to report crime. Where only people who personally sponsored the construction of a road can use that road, and where disabled people unable to work and children born into poor homes get ignored as just being burdens on society despite not having done anything wrong.

Yet somehow things like healthcare, the thing that allows people to live, and education, the thing that allows a society to innovate and thrive is just going to far.
Sardonicus 25 DIC 2022 a las 11:49 
Publicado originalmente por Ganger:
We in europe mostly get free health, college and good benefits because we don't need to spend money on our own defend/military because you guys (USA) protects us with your military. Simple as that really.
Yeah, and tell me, how is this US military protection of Europe doing at preventing Russia from doing what they're doing? Sounds like you guys are over-relying on a country that mainly cares about protecting it's own ass above all else.
Γαῖα 25 DIC 2022 a las 11:51 
College, university is a financial hustle these days selling the idea of dreams. Gone are the days the system actually cared about people being educated to further the cause of a better society.

The crazy thing is they dont see you having to get into debt. They actually believe that loan is them investing in you.
Adversary 25 DIC 2022 a las 11:54 
Nothing in life is free. Don't borrow money you don't intend to pay back. Most people should go to trade school, work retail, or become homemakers. College is for the creme of the crop, not everyone.

These are all true.
AdahnGorion 25 DIC 2022 a las 12:28 
Publicado originalmente por Xero_Daxter:
It’s true that a college degree can open doors to many different career opportunities. However, if everyone had a degree because of free college, college graduates might cause mayhem in the job market.

That is false

Everything is free here and everybody even gets paid to study (even at university) when I was doing pol.scient I was paid 700 euro a month to do so... (I paid nothing outside a few books each semester)

Not having access to free knowledge (look at the US) means, that the rich have a better chance and that power is containted, it also means a lot of less well educated people for various awful jobs, that needs to be done..

The fun fact is, that with free knowledge, even those less attracted jobs, gets more advanced and techical and still pay well. It often also results in better quality of the people whom posses them (we could look at teachers ie, they are much higher quality here, than in the US and have much better pay and preparation, like 4x the time to prepare, than their US counterparts)
Ulfrinn 25 DIC 2022 a las 12:38 
Publicado originalmente por Sardie:
Publicado originalmente por Ulfrinn:
Nothing is free. As much as people in some countries want to believe their college or healthcare is, it's not. Someone pays for it. For you to receive something you didn't work for, someone has to work for something they didn't receive.

Those teachers gets money from somewhere. They get it from government. Government gets its money from the people who work so in those places, or even in the US if you receive grants or loans it doesn't matter, you'll be paying for college for the rest of your life.. as well as the college of people who got useless degrees that only qualifies them to flip burgers after graduating. So no, it's not free here, it's not free elsewhere.
You're not making any sense. You claim that for something to be free for someone, someone else worked for something they didn't receive and yet the whole point is literally EVERYONE gets healthcare and college. If people squander their education it doesn't stop someone else from getting into STEM or whatever and living their dream. Should we also ban public education for children because some of those kids aren't going to pay attention or take it seriously?

The reality is that we live in a society, where we pay taxes in exchange for things like roads, public spaces, and various things that provide the infrastructure make everyone's lives better, using a fraction of the money we would spend if we had to cover the whole thing by ourselves. If society functioned how you wanted it to where people only get the things they can personally pay for at the moment we'd live in a world where only people who can afford to pay the polices salary are allowed to report crime. Where only people who personally sponsored the construction of a road can use that road, and where disabled people unable to work and children born into poor homes get ignored as just being burdens on society despite not having done anything wrong.

Yet somehow things like healthcare, the thing that allows people to live, and education, the thing that allows a society to innovate and thrive is just going to far.

Not everyone wants college, not everyone needs college, not everyone wants or needs to pay for a subscription service for healthcare either. Americans get a choice in how to spend their money. For Europe, some bureaucrats decided for you. Why is it so hard for people to understand that not everyone wants the same things or has the same goals as someone else so taking money from anybody to force a "one size fits all" solution onto them is silly.
Última edición por Ulfrinn; 25 DIC 2022 a las 12:39
Publicado originalmente por Ganger:
Publicado originalmente por Ulfrinn:

I knew a girl who got her "free" degree in art history... Only to realize there are virtually no jobs that require that degree, and hundreds of people just graduated her class the same year with those same aspirations. Last I heard she was still working at Starbucks with a chunk of her paycheck going to that "free" education.

They are too many worthless degrees on offer with little or next to no value in the working work. Learning a trade such a plumbing is a better option if you ask me.
Imo alot of degrees are worthless bc you need to do something with the knowledge that you gained, it's like a tutorial, like a degree in film is never going to net you a job on it's own, but you apply the ♥♥♥♥ you learned to build up a portfolio you can actually show
kilésengati 25 DIC 2022 a las 15:47 
Publicado originalmente por Ganger:
Publicado originalmente por Sardie:
Not where I live which is the US. It's cheaper, but not free. Cost me around 3,000 a semester where I live, but you can only get an associates degree at the highest going there which isn't worth much.

We in europe mostly get free health, college and good benefits because we don't need to spend money on our own defend/military because you guys (USA) protects us with your military. Simple as that really.

Well, as a German, I disagree. But I couldn't bother to rant about it here.
Sardonicus 29 DIC 2022 a las 19:32 
Publicado originalmente por Ulfrinn:

Not everyone wants college, not everyone needs college, not everyone wants or needs to pay for a subscription service for healthcare either. Americans get a choice in how to spend their money. For Europe, some bureaucrats decided for you. Why is it so hard for people to understand that not everyone wants the same things or has the same goals as someone else so taking money from anybody to force a "one size fits all" solution onto them is silly.
Not everyone wants roads, so lets just ban fixing roads for those that need them to get to work. Not everyone wants a military and some even have a religious conviction against military so lets just ban protecting the country. Not everyone wants police, so lets just defund the police because some people don't like the institution. A lot of people are against public schools, so lets just make sure that not all kids can get education cause I can afford private school. Lets just ban all taxes because someones always going to not like some tax here or there.

The reality is that people like you are the ones trying to force your will on the majority by saying that things that some people NEED to survive and that is impossible to afford without being rich or having good insurance like healthcare shouldn't be allowed to have a public option because people like you might not need it, and anything you personally don't need shouldn't be used by the rest of society either cause you're entitled and feel like "how dare they take that extra 50 cents out of my taxes to help fund this thing for someone else" because the only life goals that matter are your own.

How about this? Don't want to go to college? Don't go to college then. Literally no one is forcing you. Everyone pays taxes for things they want and they don't want. Part of being a part of a society is understanding not everyones needs are the same as yours, and that there are things you might not need, that other people do. It's about people being able to have the option for these things without going into massive debt, or actively decided not to save their own life cause they can't afford it. Nothing stopping you from going off the grid and living off leaves and twigs, and never paying a dime in taxes if society is so inconvenient for you.
Lilly 29 DIC 2022 a las 19:51 
Publicado originalmente por Muttley"Gohost":
To slice people open legally
You're going to be a lawyer?
Angel 29 DIC 2022 a las 20:02 
Some students just prefer to pay for specific courses. institutes and educations.
It's the age old discussion between public vs private (vs others). :marijaonlooker:
Ulfrinn 29 DIC 2022 a las 22:02 
Publicado originalmente por Sardie:
Publicado originalmente por Ulfrinn:

Not everyone wants college, not everyone needs college, not everyone wants or needs to pay for a subscription service for healthcare either. Americans get a choice in how to spend their money. For Europe, some bureaucrats decided for you. Why is it so hard for people to understand that not everyone wants the same things or has the same goals as someone else so taking money from anybody to force a "one size fits all" solution onto them is silly.
Not everyone wants roads, so lets just ban fixing roads for those that need them to get to work. Not everyone wants a military and some even have a religious conviction against military so lets just ban protecting the country. Not everyone wants police, so lets just defund the police because some people don't like the institution. A lot of people are against public schools, so lets just make sure that not all kids can get education cause I can afford private school. Lets just ban all taxes because someones always going to not like some tax here or there.

The reality is that people like you are the ones trying to force your will on the majority by saying that things that some people NEED to survive and that is impossible to afford without being rich or having good insurance like healthcare shouldn't be allowed to have a public option because people like you might not need it, and anything you personally don't need shouldn't be used by the rest of society either cause you're entitled and feel like "how dare they take that extra 50 cents out of my taxes to help fund this thing for someone else" because the only life goals that matter are your own.

How about this? Don't want to go to college? Don't go to college then. Literally no one is forcing you. Everyone pays taxes for things they want and they don't want. Part of being a part of a society is understanding not everyones needs are the same as yours, and that there are things you might not need, that other people do. It's about people being able to have the option for these things without going into massive debt, or actively decided not to save their own life cause they can't afford it. Nothing stopping you from going off the grid and living off leaves and twigs, and never paying a dime in taxes if society is so inconvenient for you.

If I don't want to go to college, not only will I not go, but I'm also not going to pay for you to go either. If you want it, you pay for it. If you cannot afford to do so, that isn't my problem. I can't afford a lot of the things I want to do, but I also don't expect someone else to buy them for me either.
device 29 DIC 2022 a las 22:10 
Publicado originalmente por Lilly:
Publicado originalmente por Muttley"Gohost":
To slice people open legally
You're going to be a lawyer?
Executioner
< >
Mostrando 61-75 de 120 comentarios
Por página: 1530 50

Publicado el: 24 DIC 2022 a las 15:25
Mensajes: 120