Does that Zelensky guy ever wear anything else besides green sweaters?

[Fosty]

Not including his weird skimpy leather and high heels.

[Faster With Feeling]

Russia should just back down and end this stupid war the they started.

[Yarr]

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Russia should just back down and end this illegal war

What makes a war legal vs. illegal?

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Russia should just back down and end this illegal war

What makes a war legal vs. illegal?

A piece of paper with some ink on it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Ulfrinn]

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Putin didn't attack until 2022. The civil war has been going on since 2014. A civil war which has seen several bombs and shells fall on cities in eastern Ukraine over the past 10 years. This war wouldn't have even been started in the first place if NATO stuck to their agreements of not pushing NATO influences into countries on the Russian border, or backed a coup overthrowing the elected leadership in 2014.

Pretending this was some random, spontaneous aggression by Russia and NATO is just innocently sitting by with clean hands helps nobody. NATO created the mess, Ukrainian oligarchs are profiting off it, while innocent people are dying for a power play by people thousands of miles away supported by citizens in those countries who refuse to call out their own sides.

I'm genuinely curious - who was pushing Ukraine into NATO (or NATO into Ukraine)? I do not recall hearing this, not even ONCE before Putin decided to attack Ukraine.

Also, even if that were the case (which it surely is not); Ukraine's low military spending and the overall development of the country + conflicts with Russia, makes it highly unlikely that existing NATO countries would've been willing to even ratify such membership application, prior to the attack.

NATO is a defensive alliance and poses no threat to countries that are not seeking to invade & undermine the sovereignty of the member countries.

You actually trust your media to keep you properly informed on these things? Some of the groups you should look into more in Ukraine are groups like Azov, the Svoboda Party, which were two large groups behind the coup in 2014. Both are Neo-Nazi groups pushing for an ethnically pure Ukraine. Svoboda was lead by Oleh Tyahnybok who met with John McCain back in 2014 where the US went to express it's support for the protests/riots/coup. There are even phone calls recorded of then assistant secretary of state Victoria Nuland discussing their plans on reshaping the Ukraine government that you can listen to. Like I've tried telling others, this has been brewing long, long before 2022, and was even going on BEFORE Russia even took Crimea.

[Ulfrinn]

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Russia should just back down and end this stupid war the they started.

What about Zelensky bombing people in East Ukraine before Russia invaded?

[nullpo]

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Russia should just back down and end this stupid war the they started.

What about Zelensky bombing people in East Ukraine before Russia invaded?

Even if what you said is correct doesn't make putin making not only ukranian citizen via bombings etc but also the whole world thanks to his war messing prices any more righteous.

[Faster With Feeling]

Because of Russia gas prices are soaring through the roof. Thanks Russia

[Dom]

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I'm genuinely curious - who was pushing Ukraine into NATO (or NATO into Ukraine)? I do not recall hearing this, not even ONCE before Putin decided to attack Ukraine.

Also, even if that were the case (which it surely is not); Ukraine's low military spending and the overall development of the country + conflicts with Russia, makes it highly unlikely that existing NATO countries would've been willing to even ratify such membership application, prior to the attack.

NATO is a defensive alliance and poses no threat to countries that are not seeking to invade & undermine the sovereignty of the member countries.

You actually trust your media to keep you properly informed on these things? Some of the groups you should look into more in Ukraine are groups like Azov, the Svoboda Party, which were two large groups behind the coup in 2014. Both are Neo-Nazi groups pushing for an ethnically pure Ukraine. Svoboda was lead by Oleh Tyahnybok who met with John McCain back in 2014 where the US went to express it's support for the protests/riots/coup. There are even phone calls recorded of then assistant secretary of state Victoria Nuland discussing their plans on reshaping the Ukraine government that you can listen to. Like I've tried telling others, this has been brewing long, long before 2022, and was even going on BEFORE Russia even took Crimea.

I wasn't asking what groups there are in Ukraine, I wasn't asking which groups US government supports or doesn't support. And I wasn't asking about Ukraine government reshaping

I asked who was pushing Ukraine into NATO, or NATO into Ukraine.. a very clear question. Whose masterplan this is (or was), and under what logic can one say that NATO created this situation?

Could you find me a piece of document that shows plans to get Ukraine into NATO, from a source that could be considered trustworthy to speak on behalf of the alliance? Any talks about it? Before Feb 2022.

[Chunk Norris ☯]

He sometimes wears a shirt with an Iron Cross on it.

[Ulfrinn]

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You actually trust your media to keep you properly informed on these things? Some of the groups you should look into more in Ukraine are groups like Azov, the Svoboda Party, which were two large groups behind the coup in 2014. Both are Neo-Nazi groups pushing for an ethnically pure Ukraine. Svoboda was lead by Oleh Tyahnybok who met with John McCain back in 2014 where the US went to express it's support for the protests/riots/coup. There are even phone calls recorded of then assistant secretary of state Victoria Nuland discussing their plans on reshaping the Ukraine government that you can listen to. Like I've tried telling others, this has been brewing long, long before 2022, and was even going on BEFORE Russia even took Crimea.

I wasn't asking what groups there are in Ukraine, I wasn't asking which groups US government supports or doesn't support. And I wasn't asking about Ukraine government reshaping

I asked who was pushing Ukraine into NATO, or NATO into Ukraine.. a very clear question. Whose masterplan this is (or was), and under what logic can one say that NATO created this situation?

Could you find me a piece of document that shows plans to get Ukraine into NATO, from a source that could be considered trustworthy to speak on behalf of the alliance? Any talks about it? Before Feb 2022.

I gave you all the information you needed to do your own research and come to your own conclusions.. Whether or not you put that to use is up to you.

[Under there]

the blood of thousands of ukrainians on his hands

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the blood of thousands of ukrainians on his hands

Both have their own peoples' blood on their hands. Only one of them (probably) doesn't care.

Hearing about the war makes me sick and feel bad for both sides...

[Caw Caw Caw]

2008 NATO considered admitting Ukraine: https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2008/04/20080402-1.html

[Plaid]

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What makes a war legal vs. illegal?

A piece of paper with some ink on it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm guessing it's the same type of paper they used to write up the peace agreement that Ukraine crumpled up into a ball and threw in the garbage.

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A piece of paper with some ink on it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm guessing it's the same type of paper they used to write up the peace agreement that Ukraine crumpled up into a ball and threw in the garbage.

Don't both sides get a copy? 🤔
Honestly whoever started this is a bit confusing to me, I don't remember anymore. 😐