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akiuara 10 dez. 2022 às 7:35
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I am now an Atheist.
I am a former roman catholic, I found the Bible has too many errors and contradictions now I don't believe on God like there are literally thousands of religions floating around, how can I be so sure that it is the real God, so I finally admit that I was wrong about doubting science and God isn't real if he is really an "all loving God" he shouldn't make this world a f8cked up place to live like sufferings and pain are literally here on this world of ours.
Última alteração por akiuara; 10 dez. 2022 às 7:36
Originalmente postado por Netaris:
There is no god, only lifeforms isolated on a giant rock turning around a star in space. We were never able to prove god's existence nor to see any impact from a surnatural entity on our world. The only thing we see is physic's laws in application over time and that's about it.

But you don't have to trust science either. For example, everyone learn about the big bang, while forgotting it's only a theory, we have no proof that's what happened. Someday you can wake up in a world were the big bang is proved wrong or right. Science isn't about saying truths to peoples, science is a method used to find what's the most probable theory to be true. Never forget about that, science isn't the same thing as a religion and you should not "believe in science", there is no need for beliefs at all in science.
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DoomsDay 10 dez. 2022 às 23:11 
you are like telling tale of devil,in the world of human words.
you are only prying open the gaping mouth between words and reality further apart.
I was the first black pilgrim! I also don’t believe in demons devil monsters because i believe in myself
Haruspex 11 dez. 2022 às 0:02 
I'm not sure how old you are, but you can expect your belief system and worldview to continue to evolve.

Myself, I was born into a Mormon family who left the Mormon church and were general non-denominational Christian. In my teens I was a staunch atheist. By my 20s I had softened my atheist stance into more of a agnostic one in which I refused to commit to anything. Then I briefly had a stint as a born-again Christian, which fizzled back into agnosticism. Today I'm more of a deist who entertains the possibility of spirituality but recognizes that from my limited perspective I can never know for certain.
u didnt type God as god so I dont believe u
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Netaris 11 dez. 2022 às 1:14 
Originalmente postado por Banana Shawty:
A lot of people have motivation from their career, money, relationships etc. - and when they achieve everything in life they want to achieve, the haunted question of "what now?" comes to show them that all of the joy from their earthly aspirations/desires were temporary and finite.

Why do you think so many rich people either become drug addicts or religious?

If everything that makes you happy is worldly, then everything that makes you happy is impermanent and can be taken away without notice. Faith is the only thing that can remain unconditionally.

There is other things that remain, in my case, I want to understand as many things as possible about our world and the beings who live on it. We'll never fully understand it, so it's also something that will remain, no matter what. The faith you talk about appear to me to be just the default solution, the easiest one, but you can always do your things without it.

Originalmente postado por Banana Shawty:
It doesn't need proof because we already know it is *unknowable* - therefore ANY strong assertions "it exists", "it doesn't exist", are shots in the dark.

The only difference is:
"it exists" brings hope, "let us believe that our lives are not in vain, and that we are loved"
"it doesn't exist" brings "hurr im so logical and realistic, hate to break it to u guys but i'm right"
"i dunno" is the only actual logical choice, but some hope for good wouldn't hurt.

So, everything has to be proved, except that one ? Why ? I'll don't gonna believe in something you're unable to prove, period. And, when you know how religions have evolved over time ... At the start it was about spirits of nature, that kind of things, then entire pantheons of gods, now monotheism. For the logic behind is, you need something impressive to serve as an autority argument. Nature was sufficient at the beginning, but when the forces of nature were used by us at our advantages, we've needed something better. So instead of spirits we've invented gods for everything. And when even that wasn't enough anymore, they've invented monotheism, one only OP god who created everything, the thing look like a bad comic character.

What I gain ? Nobody can manipulate me because of religion, nobody can influence me into sacrifying myself or my own for a "superior being". Nor convince me that being successfull in this life isn't important (like I've said, you'll very probably don't gonna have a second chance). And I don't like to invest in scams, I have more interresting things to learn than centuries old books about ancient fairytales. The two books the most readed by humans are 1- The Bible / 2- Elements. Elements is a book about geometry and mathematics, used during centuries by engineers and other jobs like that. One is a story to compensate fragile minsets, the other was actually very usefull.

Originalmente postado por Banana Shawty:
"Designed".... designed by whom? :P

Evolution.

Originalmente postado por Banana Shawty:
So you believe in something that:
1. Doesn't bring any benefit to you to believe
2. You don't really believe exists (???)

wtf? so what's the actual point?

Not being manipulated, remain free from influences. And like I've said, I obtain everything I need from other sources anyway. That work well so far.

Originalmente postado por Banana Shawty:
How do you calculate the probability of this, dude? Are there any studies asking dead people whether they went to the afterlife?

I've already explained this. When you observe how nature works, it produce new iterations of lifeforms, either they're better, either they dissapear. So explain me why this natural selection seem to apply to everyone, except deads ? I just see no logical reasons to do that. there is also something else. I've seen a lot of old persons or mentally ill peoples having personality changes, because something happened to their brain. If brain injuries / illnesses can do that, what's the point of a soul ? If it don't allow you to remain "you" ... Our brain actually exist, but our soul ? I see no evidences of it's existence.

Originalmente postado por Banana Shawty:
How can life be precious if we are guaranteed from the very start that it will end at some point?
What's the point of preserving it obsessively if it's all for nothing, as you believe?
How do you know there is no afterlife? Have you died?

Again, that's those who pretend there is an afterlife who have to prove it exist. If you say to me to believe in it without proofs, it's totally fine to reject it without proofs. Especially if it make little sense. Again, can you remember anything before you were born ? I can't and there is a very likely explication about it ... Because you don't exist yet and after death you probably don't exist anymore.

Originalmente postado por Banana Shawty:
How can life be precious if we are guaranteed from the very start that it will end at some point?
What's the point of preserving it obsessively if it's all for nothing, as you believe?
How do you know there is no afterlife? Have you died?

Again, what is said without proofs can be rejected without proofs. I don't know, but it's so unlikely that I've decided to take a decision about it : to don't count on it and to don't believe in it. What's rare is precious, it's economy's basics here. That's actually the contrary, what's the point about preserving obsessively something that gonna remain no matter what ? There is no need to and that's also what lead peoples to become terrorists, appealed by some afterlife's rewards. If you don't believe in it at all, you can't be manipulated by that kind of tricks.

Originalmente postado por Banana Shawty:
Right, all you need is something that can be taken away from an illness in the blink of an eye, sounds quite reassuring indeed.

Not only strengh, knowledge and friends too. And yes, that's what I really need, but I don't need imaginary friends in my head, I see no purpose for them.
Netaris 11 dez. 2022 às 1:44 
Originalmente postado por UberFiend:
Originalmente postado por Dark-en-San:
I am now an Atheist.
LOL!
How can you believe in something that doesn't exist? :virginmary:

Actually, being an atheist is choosing to not believe at all ...
//// 11 dez. 2022 às 2:53 
Originalmente postado por brisket <3 (she/her):
Originalmente postado por ////:
sometimes it's not about which out of "thousand of religions" is more real, but about very simple question: what exactly helped your ancestors to overcome?
yes, religion helped our ancestors who didn't have the knowledge and social evolution we do now to overcome the challenges of life

nowadays religion does far more harm than whatever good it can exclusively provide

yes, advancement in gathering knowledge in most areas is unprecedented, but will of using that knowledge still is the same as ever. egocentrism is still main driving phenomena, despite of us knowing about it.

"earth is center of the universe" is being replaced with something else. to "our social evolution", as one example. and so on.
Reanimator 11 dez. 2022 às 3:49 
Atheists and believers, aren't they those who believe and know that God is zero?!
EASY PETE 11 dez. 2022 às 4:45 
A magical man in the sky that controls everything who lives in the clouds what the hell did you think
Haruspex 11 dez. 2022 às 4:46 
Originalmente postado por Reanimator:
Atheists and believers, aren't they those who believe and know that God is zero?!

Both viewpoints require faith. The believer has faith that God exists. The atheist has faith that God does not exist.

The agnostic has no faith. He can't be certain if God does or does not exist, and he just leaves it at that.
GunsForBucks 11 dez. 2022 às 4:49 
I have faith that when I die I will find out. <barring any extra lives I have, think I'm on one already, don't know how many I have left>

That said I don't like hype and spoilers.
Última alteração por GunsForBucks; 11 dez. 2022 às 4:50
Tiberius 11 dez. 2022 às 4:56 
Its been almost 24hours since you declared yourself an atheist. Mind sharing your experience so far? Are you happier now? Does your boss love you more? Do ppl look at you differently?
GunsForBucks 11 dez. 2022 às 5:14 
Now if Jesus died for our sins and all you have to do is ask forgiveness... doesn't that mean heaven is full of PDFs?

Pass
Longy999 11 dez. 2022 às 5:19 
Gods were just a way of our primitive ancestors trying to explain things they didn't understand, I personally find it strange that such things would even be considered reality in modern times

BUT, it's each to their own, I personally don't care what anybody thinks or believes in, it has zero bearing on my life and everyone is completely free to believe in whatever they want to
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