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agu 4/dez./2022 às 7:25
AI made artists worthless
Now that AI has evolved to a point where you can type whatever you want in a small text box and get decent results, can you imagine what it'd be like in 5 or 10 years from now? Everyone is already trying out the multiple generators we have available to the public and having a lot of fun with them, getting real results and sharing them at no cost even though they're usually rough results for now, in the future there would be no need for any new artists at all, from illustrators to musicians to painters to writers, they would all be replaced and everything could be handled better and exactly to your tastes by the AI, with minimal effort on your part and the model evolving and getting better every single time, even movies are being produced and tweaked with the power of machine learning, imagine how far it can go when it learns to properly write its own fictional universe and characters, it's bound to be the best fantasy series because it would have no human error problems like forgetting parts of lore or purposely retconning, this is a win for everyone so people could focus on more important subjects like STEM and medicine instead.
Like it happened when TV was introduced there were people saying there's always gonna be a spot for radio but they were just delaying the inevitable truth of technology going forward, with or without them, the same thing will happen to old-style artists and people who think art made by a real person is somehow better than something made by AI artists (which is ridiculous) are just refusing to see the world around them change. Because we're in the early stages of the replacement there are people who will say AI-produced art has no real merit by using arguments such as it having no "heart" and "passion" but Artificial Intelligence will get better and better at every occasion it's almost unfair to compare it to raw human "talent" (which is subjective in a topic like art). They have no chance.
I think we've passed a point where we can safely say AI killed the artist, and I'm glad to see where this goes.
Will you keep supporting a dying industry like art or will you move forward with AI?
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Kamiyama 4/dez./2022 às 12:43 
It's interesting that AI is being realized in the creative sphere when I would have thought it would dominate the labor market first as a "dumb" creation and then move onto more intellectual stuff as it became more advanced.

But it's doing the opposite.

We already have AI art generators. We have AI text generators. There are also AI music generators in development.

What's interesting about the text generators is that once it has a grasp of language, well it's a hop skip and a jump away from learning programming languages. So at some point we will also have AI writing their own programs.

Vernor Vinge's technological singularity becomes a possibility at that point because what happens if an AI writes the program for another AI? And what happens if that new AI performs better than the original?

Also they could combine all of the above and have AI video game generators. Want a new game? Describe it in a text box and click the button.

And then a multi-billion dollar industry goes *poof*
Xero_Daxter 4/dez./2022 às 12:52 
Soon AI will be so prominent that we wouldn’t even have to walk. Have anyone seen Wall-E?
agu 4/dez./2022 às 13:34 
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Soon AI will be so prominent that we wouldn’t even have to walk. Have anyone seen Wall-E?
I'm looking forward to the day we can get fully functional AI girlfriends
Revolution Idol 4/dez./2022 às 13:40 
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Soon AI will be so prominent that we wouldn’t even have to walk. Have anyone seen Wall-E?
I'm looking forward to the day we can get fully functional AI girlfriends
That strikes me as extremely dystopian.
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AI made artists worthless
I get the feeling that you don't actually understand how the a.i. image generation technology works.

It's a bit more complicated than just pressing a button, despite being a huge increase in capabilities that it provides, however, it's chaotic and non-specific. The a.i. also only has a very weak understanding of popular concepts. Anything that's niche or specific still requires a human and will until AGI comes around (which artificial general intelligence has its whole set of issues to be concerned about, which Robert Miles has a Youtube channel covering a significant amount of - and AGI is potentially comparable to artificially manufactured human-beings)

a.i. generators take the tedium out of the work process. The only artists they're putting out of a job are the ones who lack creativity and were just relying on the inabiliity of the general population to perform the machine's-work of getting dimensions & scale & form & such accurate.

Now a machine can help people get scale correct and make the profession of art entail spending more time making actual design & director decisions, rather than having to spend hours drawing lines in the correct shape when that's time that isn't getting spent on making design decisions.

The a.i. generators don't make design decisions and computers are still quite a ways away from even being capable of doing so, despite the rather impressive tricks that this new technology can do.

Try using it if you get a chance, you'll really get a feel for how it's simultaneously really enabling but also really limiting.


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... What's interesting about the text generators is that once it has a grasp of language, well it's a hop skip and a jump away from learning programming languages. So at some point we will also have AI writing their own programs. ...
The generators only understand patterns that they can replicate with a certain degree of randomness within learned parameters. It doesn't actually understand the material that it's generating ...yet... and even if it did, understanding it is a bit of a ways away from being able to work through problems and actually write something specific that solves specific problems.

Now, there is a bridge to this which will make it happen sooner but it won't be fully autonomous... you get something in a machine that understands ...enough... to be able to do what your saying with guidance from human directors.

So image generators need art-directors to guide them.
Code generators need senior software developers to guide them.
And text generators need authors to guide them.
They can't do it on their own yet.

It won't be until AGI (artificial general intelligence) is achieved that all humans can be removed from the job processes entirely (but this is still an oversimplification).
Any living creature needs a purpose ...and as long as we're relevant to that purpose, we won't be disposable yet...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeWljQw3UgQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkbPdEHEyEI


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Yzal 4/dez./2022 às 14:12 
But...
artists were already worthless.
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Kamiyama 4/dez./2022 às 14:13 
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AI made artists worthless
I get the feeling that you don't actually understand how the a.i. image generation technology works.

It's a bit more complicated than just pressing a button, despite being a huge increase in capabilities that it provides, however, it's chaotic and non-specific. The a.i. also only has a very weak understanding of popular concepts. Anything that's niche or specific still requires a human and will until AGI comes around (which artificial general intelligence has its whole set of issues to be concerned about, which Robert Miles has a Youtube channel covering a significant amount of - and AGI is potentially comparable to artificially manufactured human-beings)

I made a video with some of my AI-generated artwork. It all succubi girls though.

I wanted to see Judgement from Helltaker in a dark temple type environment and there wasn't enough of that on the Internet, so I had Stable Diffusion make some.

I would argue this is fairly niche.

https://youtu.be/FSVIGBdxYrs
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But...
artists were already worthless.
Imagine games without art.
Imagine Overwatch without....

Nevermind. I'll wait. :papyrus:
Kamiyama 4/dez./2022 às 14:16 
1.4 still has some problems generating faces. I hope there's a one-click installer for 1.5 soon and I can start using that.

Also I need a rig with a good graphics card. I'm stuck doing CPU rendering on mine.
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But...
artists were already worthless.
Imagine games without art.
Imagine Overwatch without....

Nevermind. I'll wait. :papyrus:

*plays piano slowly*

Imagine all the people...

...

...living life in peeeaaaceeeee
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...

I made a video with some of my AI-generated artwork. It all succubi girls though.

I wanted to see Judgement from Helltaker in a dark temple type environment and there wasn't enough of that on the Internet, so I had Stable Diffusion make some.

I would argue this is fairly niche.

https://youtu.be/FSVIGBdxYrs
Sure but it's just a collage and it lacks a finer tuned specificity.
This video doesn't even rise to the level of a storyboard, as there's not even a story in this video (ie. story: this happened, then that happened, then this other related thing happened, then there's a big reveal, etc. etc. then a resolution, and the conclusion)

It's also not animated. The randomness in image-generation currently makes it too difficult for such systems to animate the images generated. Current generation doesn't have a conceptual understanding of objects, subjects, & attributes - it's all just kind of mixed together.

Maybe those characters are exactly what you want and that's enough but there's plenty of more specific things that people want which the A.I. just can't do yet - the best it can do in those scenarios is create background assets and reference images that a client passes on to a professional artist with some notes written by the client as to what they like about the reference image and what they want changed.

Keep in mind also that succubus isn't really that niche of a subject - there's thousands of images for it to train on for this subject, whereas something like a highly specific game character that doesn't get a lot of drawings of them made, is going to lack sufficient data for the A.I. to be trained to draw them.

At minimum, artists will still have to be payed to make what the a.i. generators can't because they lacked the data for them and no one is going to do this en mass just to train the machines but over time they'll become able to be trained off of new commissions that are being made for specific content - but this also relies on the content to be properly tagged otherwise, it doesn't learn what it needs to (and sometimes still doesn't because learning a concept abstractly by just witnessing examples rather than having a proper definition, is inherently prone to errors).

The only artists this is going to be putting out of work are the ones that had no talent in the first place - or maybe that were really good at just 1 thing that is high in demand. :seewhatyoudid:
Última edição por Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏; 4/dez./2022 às 14:30
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Soon AI will be so prominent that we wouldn’t even have to walk. Have anyone seen Wall-E?
I'm looking forward to the day we can get fully functional AI girlfriends

I'm not. Currently people aren't taking A.I. safety seriously enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i1WlcCudpU

I fully expect them to be implemented with a reward / high-score function guiding their actions, and to be prone to the A.I. stop button problem. Combine these 2 aspects in an intimacy robot and you get mechanical succubi. Robots that do everything they can to seduce you but won't let you opt out of engaging them in intimate acts ...forever... everyone in the world.

:chipwink: Robot gets +100 reward!
:d4_wink: Robot gets +100 reward!
:rosewink: Robot gets +100 reward!
:sly_fiona: Robot gets +100 reward!
:nguwink: Robot gets +100 reward!
:spazwinky: Robot gets +100 reward!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TYT1QfdfsM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcdVC4e6EV4

I mean... "death by snu snu" with something that's actually doing a decent job of trying to be attractive to me, doesn't sound like the worst way to go but it's also still... wrong... and I'm sure that most people wouldn't enjoy this, even if their body is betraying their mind.
Men don't want it nearly as much as they're stereotyped to...

:swtdrop::thepro::sweatdrops:
Kamiyama 4/dez./2022 às 14:49 
Escrito originalmente por Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏:
Escrito originalmente por agu:
I'm looking forward to the day we can get fully functional AI girlfriends

I'm not. Currently people aren't taking A.I. safety seriously enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i1WlcCudpU

I fully expect them to be implemented with a reward / high-score function guiding their actions, and to be prone to the A.I. stop button problem. Combine these 2 aspects in an intimacy robot and you get mechanical succubi. Robots that do everything they can to seduce you but won't let you opt out of engaging them in intimate acts ...forever... everyone in the world.

:chipwink: Robot gets +100 reward!
:d4_wink: Robot gets +100 reward!
:rosewink: Robot gets +100 reward!
:sly_fiona: Robot gets +100 reward!
:nguwink: Robot gets +100 reward!
:spazwinky: Robot gets +100 reward!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TYT1QfdfsM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcdVC4e6EV4

I mean... "death by snu snu" with something that's actually doing a decent job of trying to be attractive to me, doesn't sound like the worst way to go but it's also still... wrong... and I'm sure that most people wouldn't enjoy this, even if their body is betraying their mind.
Men don't want it nearly as much as they're stereotyped to...

:swtdrop::thepro::sweatdrops:

This would make an awesome hentai btw.
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Can you even call yourself an artist if artificial intelligence does your art for you?
You can call yourself an art-director. :Poppo: :coconutlaugh: :seewhatyoudid:
Última edição por Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏; 4/dez./2022 às 14:55
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