Stop buying new games for 69.99

[ジェニー・リアライト]

Stop buying games that are new for the ridiculous price of $69.99. Do *NOT* make this a trend. $59.99 is barely even tolerable as it is and there is no need to sit here and reward them for this type of behavior.

[AmsterdamHeavy]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Start_Running:

It's not like there weren't $70 games 30 years ago.

I paid $70 for Strider for the Sega Genesis 30 years ago. Games are cheaper than they have ever been. Paid $55 for 2600 Defender 40 years ago.

That being said...never pay full price.

[Brian9824]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pscht:

Games in 1990 didn't have microtransactions and other bs. Closest thing you got were map packs on CD (later).

Games in 1990 also had far less content, I mean think about what you paid for Contra and how many hours you got. I have no problem with microtransactions. If I enjoy the game it gives me the potential for more content. Sure some games do it more scummy then others, but I just don't buy those.

Although a game with all its DLC today is still far cheaper then many games in 1990....

[Start_Running]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pscht:

Games in 1990 didn't have microtransactions and other bs. Closest thing you got were map packs on CD (later).

No but they did tend to call map packs sequels. Plus there were arcades and thats as MTX as you get.

[Brian9824]

I mean heck

Mortal Kombat 1 - 7 base chars
Mortal Kombat 11 - 25 base chars without needing to buy DLC

So you get almost 4x the amount of chars for less of a price then you paid for the original when adjusted for inflation

[Pscht]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von brian9824:

Games in 1990 also had far less content

Today, "content" often means grind, huge empty maps you have to cross a lot, and stuff like that.

Here's a random old game from the early nineties
https://howlongtobeat.com/game/8212 (Secret of Mana 1993 - Completionist 34.5 hours)

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Start_Running:

. Plus there were arcades and thats as MTX as you get.

You didn't buy the games there, so, uh, early free to play?

Ursprünglich geschrieben von brian9824:

I mean heck

Mortal Kombat 1 - 7 base chars
Mortal Kombat 11 - 25 base chars without needing to buy DLC

So you get almost 4x the amount of chars for less of a price then you paid for the original when adjusted for inflation

How many of them are palette swaps?

[Crazy Tiger]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Start_Running:

No but they did tend to call map packs sequels.

Or various Street Fighter editions with a few extra characters.

[Brian9824]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pscht:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von brian9824:

Games in 1990 also had far less content

Today, "content" often means grind, huge empty maps you have to cross a lot, and stuff like that.

Here's a random old game from the early nineties
https://howlongtobeat.com/game/8212 (Secret of Mana 1993 - Completionist 34.5 hours)

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Start_Running:

. Plus there were arcades and thats as MTX as you get.

You didn't buy the games there, so, uh, early free to play?

Ursprünglich geschrieben von brian9824:

I mean heck

Mortal Kombat 1 - 7 base chars
Mortal Kombat 11 - 25 base chars without needing to buy DLC

So you get almost 4x the amount of chars for less of a price then you paid for the original when adjusted for inflation

How many of them are palette swaps?

I mean if you want to cherry pick games - here are some of the highest rated games for their era for instance

https://howlongtobeat.com/game/1911 Contra - Completionist 1½ Hours
https://howlongtobeat.com/game/9659 - Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Turtles in Time
Completionist 2 Hours
https://howlongtobeat.com/game/9373 - Super Mario Bros. 3 - Completionist 6 Hours
https://howlongtobeat.com/game/9035 - Star Fox - Completionist 3½ Hours

All of which cost over the equivalent of $100 at launch for instance....

Sure some games were longer, plenty of games were far shorter. How many games do you pay $100+ for that you beat the entire game in an hour and half doing everything these days?

[Start_Running]

Contra does not take 90 mins to beat. If you've got decent reflexes you can clear it in in about 30 mins easy. Even without the Konami code. Games back then however were fond of using insane difficulty to extend the play time.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pscht:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Start_Running:

. Plus there were arcades and thats as MTX as you get.

You didn't buy the games there, so, uh, early free to play?

Is there really a difference . An MTX is an MTX. and paying per lives, or heck for in game powerups and items. Yes there were some arcade games where buying stuff from in game shops required you to feed tokens into the machine :P.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pscht:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von brian9824:

I mean heck

Mortal Kombat 1 - 7 base chars
Mortal Kombat 11 - 25 base chars without needing to buy DLC

So you get almost 4x the amount of chars for less of a price then you paid for the original when adjusted for inflation

How many of them are palette swaps?

On a basic level. Lots. but moveset wise... none. and thats the sticking point especially ina fighting game. Just like how only noobs think All SHotos are the same in Street FIghter. That was only true for Street FIghter 1 and has never been a thing since. Different moves, different priorities, different speed, damage, recovery, chip damage.

[The Commendatore]

OK, I'll buy them for 69.98 from now on.

[Brian9824]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von nullable:

This reminds me of ever impotent forum post railing against DLC or digital distribution back in the day and the "don't let them do this" mentality. The "free market" sure didn't share those guys values.

Anyone willing to spend $59.99 on a game, might be willing to spend $69.99 on a game. And while lots of us are sales obsessed, the market is millions and millions of customers, that's going to amount to a lot of $69.99 units being sold. Gamers aren't united or organized in any way, and aren't interested on dying on a hill over $10.

No one likes it when prices go up. There's been wailing every previous time it's occurred. I don't think this time around is any different. You don't have to like it, but you're kidding yourself if you think you can undo it.

I just wait for the price to drop. Not like there are any shortage of games...

[Pscht]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von brian9824:

I just wait for the price to drop. Not like there are any shortage of games...

Most people suffer from FOMO, hard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_missing_out

[Brian9824]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pscht:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von brian9824:

I just wait for the price to drop. Not like there are any shortage of games...

Most people suffer from FOMO, hard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_missing_out

I mean its not to hard to find salese even at launch. Like I got new Star Ocean for 27% off at launch. I'm paying full price for Crisis Core on Switch, but i really like the steel book that it comes with and its already a fair price

[Supafly]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von brian9824:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von nullable:

This reminds me of ever impotent forum post railing against DLC or digital distribution back in the day and the "don't let them do this" mentality. The "free market" sure didn't share those guys values.

Anyone willing to spend $59.99 on a game, might be willing to spend $69.99 on a game. And while lots of us are sales obsessed, the market is millions and millions of customers, that's going to amount to a lot of $69.99 units being sold. Gamers aren't united or organized in any way, and aren't interested on dying on a hill over $10.

No one likes it when prices go up. There's been wailing every previous time it's occurred. I don't think this time around is any different. You don't have to like it, but you're kidding yourself if you think you can undo it.

I just wait for the price to drop. Not like there are any shortage of games...

Same, plus you often get to buy a complete edition including all DLC

Ursprünglich geschrieben von brian9824:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pscht:

Most people suffer from FOMO, hard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_missing_out

I mean its not to hard to find salese even at launch. Like I got Star Ocean first departure for 27% off at launch. I'm paying full price for Crisis Core on Switch, but i really like the steel book that it comes with and its already a fair price

Have Crisis Core for PS5 pre-ordered but I'll prob get that and FF7 Remake on Steam at some point in the future during a sale. Got Remake for free with PS+ so buying it on PC feels right, just not at full price

[Start_Running]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von nullable:

This reminds me of ever impotent forum posts railing against DLC or digital distribution back in the day and the "don't let them do this" mentality. The "free market" sure didn't share those guys values then. Nor did it when games previously increased in price.

Anyone willing to spend $59.99 on a game, might be willing to spend $69.99 on a game. And while lots of us are sales obsessed, the market is millions and millions of customers, that's going to amount to a lot of $69.99 units being sold. Gamers aren't united or organized in any way, and aren't interested on dying on a hill over $10.

No one likes it when prices go up. There's been wailing every previous time it's occurred. I don't think this time around is any different. You don't have to like it, but you're kidding yourself if you think you can undo it.

Yeah wwho would have thought that gamers aren't part of some hivemind. that we are a heterogenous grouoping from all walks of life.

I mean the thing about 79, 69, and dlcs is that...I don't have to buy them.

I don't buy dlc unless the base game is damned good. And I don't buy games for more than $10. Soooo yeah. Not really an issue if devs want to up their launch prices. Thats a problem for people who buy on launch day to deal with.

[Brian9824]

I'll be honest, I might pay $80-90 if they have a Starfield complete edition available at launch with DLC.... I've done it before and never regretted it for other Bethesda titles....