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Should video gaming be considered a sport?
Like eSports becoming a legitimate sport :coop:
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Stevenson Family 2014 年 8 月 12 日 上午 12:58 
引用自 RAGINRICKY
引用自 Malik Blishtar
https://www.google.com/#q=definition+of+physical+activity
exactly

Put a survey in front of a thousand english speakers and get them to circle which of the items below are physical activities.

Football
Golf
Chess
Poker

Bet you anything the last two don't get a look in. Because most people understand what the word means despite a definition open to abuse by idiots with an agenda.
Fork_Q2 2014 年 8 月 12 日 上午 1:47 
引用自 Talon
引用自 RAGINRICKY
exactly

Put a survey in front of a thousand english speakers and get them to circle which of the items below are physical activities.

Football
Golf
Chess
Poker

Bet you anything the last two don't get a look in. Because most people understand what the word means despite a definition open to abuse by idiots with an agenda.

English language and definitions are not a democracy, and no one here has an "agenda" to make video games a sport.
Stevenson Family 2014 年 8 月 12 日 上午 3:12 
引用自 Fork_Q
and no one here has an "agenda" to make video games a sport.

You sure tried really hard to try and butcher the meaning of "physical activity" and "exertion" to try and fit your own agenda of Chess and Poker being classed as sports.

They still arn't sports and, despite your attempts to butcher the meaning, they still dont involve physical activity or exertion.
Fork_Q2 2014 年 8 月 12 日 上午 3:19 
引用自 Talon
引用自 Fork_Q
and no one here has an "agenda" to make video games a sport.

You sure tried really hard to try and butcher the meaning of "physical activity" and "exertion" to try and fit your own agenda of Chess and Poker being classed as sports.

They still arn't sports and, despite your attempts to butcher the meaning, they still dont involve physical activity or exertion.

'Physical activity' and 'exertion' are utterly vague terms that could mean different things to different people. Ultimately, everything we do is a physical activity, and everything we do requires some measure of exertion on our part. As the other poster pointed out, under your definitions of sport, competitive masturbation could be a sport too.

Just saying "they aren't" isn't an argument. IOC calls bridge and chess sports.
MykeMichail 2014 年 8 月 12 日 上午 4:48 
引用自 Miss Amanda Jones
definition of sport

an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

Therefor video games can not be a sport, just like Nascar can not be a sport.

Amanda beat me to it.

I was going to say, that just like there are "motorsports", there are also "eSports" - both a "display of "skill", where people "compete against another or others for entertainment," but without the "physical exertion" element.

Physical exertion is debatable in both - in a FPS, a player using fine motor skills to aim and control their character is generally not considered "physical exertion", but in motorsports, long distance driving is.

However if we consider long distance driving "physical exertion", then we'd have to consider an racing video game where people are using a wheel, gear stick and pedal set up like a G27 "physical exertion" too.

That leaves us with the question of where the line is drawn, and gives us absurb questions like "if the players have to pedal a recumbent stationary bike as they play the game, does that then make it a sport?"

If all you need to make something a sport given spectatorship, competition, and display of skill, is to add an excercise bike, then just about anything can be turned into a sport.

Pretty pointless part of the definition.

IMO 3/4 ain't bad.
Mr. Tex 2014 年 8 月 12 日 上午 8:00 
引用自 MykeMichail
引用自 Miss Amanda Jones
definition of sport

an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

Therefor video games can not be a sport, just like Nascar can not be a sport.

Amanda beat me to it.

I was going to say, that just like there are "motorsports", there are also "eSports" - both a "display of "skill", where people "compete against another or others for entertainment," but without the "physical exertion" element.

Physical exertion is debatable in both - in a FPS, a player using fine motor skills to aim and control their character is generally not considered "physical exertion", but in motorsports, long distance driving is.

However if we consider long distance driving "physical exertion", then we'd have to consider an racing video game where people are using a wheel, gear stick and pedal set up like a G27 "physical exertion" too.

That leaves us with the question of where the line is drawn, and gives us absurb questions like "if the players have to pedal a recumbent stationary bike as they play the game, does that then make it a sport?"

If all you need to make something a sport given spectatorship, competition, and display of skill, is to add an excercise bike, then just about anything can be turned into a sport.

Pretty pointless part of the definition.

IMO 3/4 ain't bad.

First of all when you drive a car you use your whole body, not just your hands and feet.

Driving a car in a simulator is nothing at all like driving a real car.
Just because you can successfully run a farm in Farming Simulator or drive a boat in Ship Simulator does not mean you can actually do that in real life.

You don't feel G-forces playing a racing game; the pressure on your chest and organs, and the strain on every major muscle in your body.You are not locked into an extremely hot cockpit with bad fumes all around you, that might disorient you. You are also not in a situation where a simple mistake could end you. Dealing with all of this for lap after lap, in most cases for well over an hour.

You are comparing this to comfortably sitting at your desk, controller at hand, with perhaps some nice music in the background, a glass of soda and some snacks in arm's reach ?

I don't know what idea you have of what driving a car is like, but it is not debatable at all: motorsports involve physical exertion, esports and computer gaming does not.
最后由 Mr. Tex 编辑于; 2014 年 8 月 12 日 上午 8:11
Mr. Tex 2014 年 8 月 12 日 上午 8:02 
引用自 Towelie
Gaming is gaming and sports is sports.

To classify one as the other is just silly.

Exactly, why the need to call it a sport ?
MykeMichail 2014 年 8 月 12 日 上午 8:25 
引用自 Bootis
引用自 MykeMichail

Amanda beat me to it.

I was going to say, that just like there are "motorsports", there are also "eSports" - both a "display of "skill", where people "compete against another or others for entertainment," but without the "physical exertion" element.

Physical exertion is debatable in both - in a FPS, a player using fine motor skills to aim and control their character is generally not considered "physical exertion", but in motorsports, long distance driving is.

However if we consider long distance driving "physical exertion", then we'd have to consider an racing video game where people are using a wheel, gear stick and pedal set up like a G27 "physical exertion" too.

That leaves us with the question of where the line is drawn, and gives us absurb questions like "if the players have to pedal a recumbent stationary bike as they play the game, does that then make it a sport?"

If all you need to make something a sport given spectatorship, competition, and display of skill, is to add an excercise bike, then just about anything can be turned into a sport.

Pretty pointless part of the definition.

IMO 3/4 ain't bad.

First of all when you drive a car you use your whole body, not just your hands and feet.

Driving a car in a simulator is nothing at all like driving a real car.
Just because you can successfully run a farm in Farming Simulator or drive a boat in Ship Simulator does not mean you can actually do that in real life.

You don't feel G-forces playing a racing game; the pressure on your chest and organs, and the strain on every major muscle in your body.You are not locked into an extremely hot cockpit with bad fumes all around you, that might disorient you. You are also not in a situation where a simple mistake could end you. Dealing with all of this for lap after lap, in most cases for well over an hour.

You are comparing this to comfortably sitting at your desk, controller at hand, with perhaps some nice music in the background, a glass of soda and some snacks in arm's reach ?

I don't know what cartoonish idea you have of what driving a car is like, but it is not debatable at all: motorsports involve physical exertion, esports and computer gaming does not.

So the question again is where do you draw the line?

Now we have to add "experiences G-Forces", "heat" and "bad smells" for it to be defined as a sport?

So if someone's playing a racing simulator in a centrifuge, with heat at 40' C, are they competing in a sport or playing a game? If they then fart, are they still playing a game or are they now competing in a sport cause there's bad fumes which might disorientate them?

We keep having to add new criteria to define a sport, that aren't inside the original definition of a sport, to keep things which people consider a sport a sport and things which people don't consider a sport, not a sport.

Its really quite absurd.

Operating the pedals and gear shift on a full driving simulator does require physical exertion. But is it enough physical exertion?

What is this arbitrary level of physical exertion that something has to reach for it to be considered a sport? Is it measured in calories per hour burned? Or is it measured in total force applied?

Maybe the definition should be

"an activity involving physical exertion greater than 100 calories per hour burned and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment."
thedrummer100 2014 年 8 月 12 日 上午 8:40 
No, I fnd it more of a hobby rather than a sport.
Stevenson Family 2014 年 8 月 12 日 上午 8:48 
引用自 Fork_Q
IOC calls bridge and chess sports.

Because they were badgered for over 10 years by the chess group lobbying for its acceptance. Im sure flower arranging could manage to do the same if they had the funds and the money.

Ive had enough arguing with cretins, so i'll just conceede that Chess is as much of a sport as Poker is.
Fork_Q2 2014 年 8 月 12 日 上午 8:54 
引用自 Talon
引用自 Fork_Q
IOC calls bridge and chess sports.

Because they were badgered for over 10 years by the chess group lobbying for its acceptance.

Proof? Of course you don't.
Pahoot22 2014 年 8 月 12 日 上午 11:41 
I think they should be considered sports, example StarCraft 2, pro gamers in that game have around 300 actions per minute and they compete in events and tournaments just like sports, they train and get better and better and get higher apm's and they become pro gamers and compete although following that train of thought i guess you could call TCG's sports which to some extent i think is also true
most perturbatory
76561198119391273 2014 年 8 月 19 日 上午 12:36 
引用自 Peanut
I think they should be considered sports, example StarCraft 2, pro gamers in that game have around 300 actions per minute and they compete in events and tournaments just like sports, they train and get better and better and get higher apm's and they become pro gamers and compete although following that train of thought i guess you could call TCG's sports which to some extent i think is also true

Higher APM doesn't mean anything because most of it comes from spam clicks. You can do the same with 150 that you do with 300.
Eludium 2014 年 8 月 19 日 上午 12:38 
Multiplayer games should be a considered a sport, because they often create championships, and prizes are in money.
But, e.g. slaying dragons in Skyrim should not be considered sport.
最后由 Eludium 编辑于; 2014 年 8 月 19 日 上午 12:38
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