Should video gaming be considered a sport?

[𝕯𝖚 𝖋𝖊𝖍𝖑𝖘✠]

Like eSports becoming a legitimate sport

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If poker can somehow be considered a sport, I don't see why gaming can't be.

Poker isn't considered a sport. I doubt chess qualifies either for that matter. They are games.

Just because you can compete against others does not make it a sport. Sports require physical activity.

I don't know about poker, but the IOC and many others recognise bridge and chess as sports, even if there is no chess or bridge Olympic events. By your definition, motor racing might not be considered a sport either.

That said, I'm on the fence when it comes to eSports.

[Ranko]

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definition of sport

an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

Therefor video games can not be a sport, just like Nascar can not be a sport.

but also people decided poker was a sport, and that Nascar was a sport as well, so why can we not do the same with games?

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If poker can somehow be considered a sport, I don't see why gaming can't be.

Poker isn't considered a sport. I doubt chess qualifies either for that matter. They are games.

Just because you can compete against others does not make it a sport. Sports require physical activity and usually place a much higher emphasis on physical skill over tactics and mental ability.

a majority of the USA considers poker a sport despite it not requiring any physical activity though. So I still see no problem with considering games a sport if we consider other things with almost no physical exertion.

[Stevenson Family]

Is this the same IOC that had the olymipc event of town planning? They don't get to define what is and isnt a sport. They run the olympics, thats it.

Sport and game isn't up for debate, they have clear and consise definitions. Poker is absolutley 100% not a sport and it doesn't matter how many USA citizens think it should be.

[Mr Keefy]

More a past time than anything. Just like pool and darts.

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Is this the same IOC that had the olymipc event of town planning?

Town planning, poetry, sculptures and many others, yes. But the IOC had never called them sports, they stopped awarding medals for non-sporting events nearly 100 years ago. But they have recognised chess and bridge as sports however, and still do.

Of course they aren't the end-all when it comes to defining what is and isn't a sport, but honestly, I rather side with them on this then you.

Sport and game isn't up for debate, they have clear and consise definitions.

That is completely not true, the fact you (and others) are taking a completely different view from the world's most recognised sporting body is testament to this.

Read my link above regarding the "essentialism" of games. There is nothing "universal" about all games that makes them games, same could be said for sports.

[Stevenson Family]

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That is completely not true, the fact you (and others) are taking a completely different view from the world's most recognised sporting body is testament to this. Read my link above regarding the "essentialism" of games. There is nothing "universal" about all games that makes them games, same could be said for sports.

Go look up a definition of sport.

In every case you'll see the words "physical activity".

Poker and Chess are not, and will never be, sports. They are by definiton games. It doesn't matter how many fat americans watch poker on late night TV. They might try and make it seem more impressive by calling it a sport. But until the definition of the words changes, it isn't one.

Calling chess and poker a sport, pull the other one. If Stephen Hawking can play it, it's not a sport.

[TwoTimingTim]

if the spelling bee can be on espn then yeah... it can be a sport...

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That is completely not true, the fact you (and others) are taking a completely different view from the world's most recognised sporting body is testament to this. Read my link above regarding the "essentialism" of games. There is nothing "universal" about all games that makes them games, same could be said for sports.

Go look up a definition of sport.

I did, that's how I found out the IOC calls chess a sport. Do realise that there are plenty of different and valid definitions of it.

In every case you'll see the words "physical activity".

Unless chess is played by psychics, it is counted as a physical activity; you know what else is a physical activity? Dairy writing and milking cows. See how useless that criteria is?

Poker and Chess are not, and will never be, sports.

Please, by all means take your claim up to the IOC and the various international chess and sports federations that call it a sport.

Your mistake is engaging in essentialism, there is nothing 'essential' that unites sports and games.

[Stevenson Family]

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Please, by all means take your claim up to the IOC and the various international chess and sports federations that call it a sport.

Your mistake is engaging in essentialism, there is nothing 'essential' that unites sports and games.

Well we already established the IOC is meaningless and I don't think the chess boards can be considered reliable.

In fact trying to call it a sport, when its clearly not, is exactly the type of sad pathetic thing I would expect from those with a vested interest in the game.

As for what defines physical acticity I already covered that. If someone paralysed from the neck down can play it, it's not a sport.

Oh and i'll let you read the definition of the word so you can try and figure out what the "essential" part is.

Google (Dictionary.com)

an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

Wikipedia.

Sport (or sports) is all forms of usually competitive physical activity which,[1] through casual or organised participation, aim to use, maintain or improve physical ability and skills while providing entertainment to participants, and in some cases, spectators.

Dictionary.com

sport. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature

thefreedictionary.com

Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.

An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.

An active pastime; recreation.

Merriam webster dictionary.

A contest or game in which people do certain physical activities according to a specific set of rules and compete against each other[/quote]

[Ranko]

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Please, by all means take your claim up to the IOC and the various international chess and sports federations that call it a sport.

Your mistake is engaging in essentialism, there is nothing 'essential' that unites sports and games.

Well we already established the IOC is meaningless and I don't think the chess boards can be considered reliable.

In fact trying to call it a sport, when its clearly not, is exactly the type of sad pathetic thing I would expect from those with a vested interest in the game.

As for what defines physical acticity I already covered that. If a someone paralysed from the neck down can play it, it's not a sport.

Oh and i'll let you read the definition of the word so you can try and figure out what the "essential" part is.

Google (Dictionary.com)

an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

Wikipedia.

Sport (or sports) is all forms of usually competitive physical activity which,[1] through casual or organised participation, aim to use, maintain or improve physical ability and skills while providing entertainment to participants, and in some cases, spectators.

Dictionary.com

sport. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature

thefreedictionary.com

Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.

An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.

An active pastime; recreation.

to be fair, physical exertion is such a loose term, you can use it for anything that involves movement. Tell me, did you exert any form of force onto your keys to press them? or are you a wizard?

[Stevenson Family]

I don't know why I always get dragged into arguments with idiots who don't even know what words mean.

Yes pressing keys involved physical movement, but no. It was not a "physical activity" or exertion. Exertion implies strenuous effort.

If I had one of those nifty computers stephen hawking does, that speaks for him, I could play chess or poker without literally needing to move at all. The ability to move a peice or pick up and look at your cards is not at all critical to the game, anyone could do that for you. A robot could do it for you, a monkey could.

[Ranko]

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I don't know why I always get dragged into arguments with idiots who don't even know what words mean.

Yes pressing keys involved physical movement, but no. It was not a "physical activity" or exertion. Exertion implies strenuous effort.

If I had one of those nifty computers stephen hawking does, that speaks for him, I could play chess or poker without literally needing to move at all. The ability to move a peice or pick up and look at your cards is not at all critical to the game, anyone could do that for you.

ex·er·tion
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noun
1.
physical or mental effort.
"she was panting with the exertion"
synonyms: effort, strain, struggle, toil, endeavor, hard work, labor; More
2.
the application of a force, influence, or quality.
"the exertion of authority"
synonyms: use, application, exercise, employment, utilization More

Physical activity
Physical activity is defined as any bodily movement produced by skeletal muscles that requires energy expenditure. Physical inactivity has been identified as the fourth leading risk factor for global mortality causing an estimated 3.2 million deaths globally.

thanks for insulting me when you don't even know the definitions of the words you're tossing around.

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No, only you called IOC "useless" for no good reason. They had never called "town planning" a sport, the Olympics revival movement of the early 20th Century wanted to reward more than just sporting prowess, this stopped an long time ago.

What you defined as "physical activity" does not appear in any definition of the term I have ever seen or used. Like the other poster said, it could mean virtually anything. Nothing from your definitions necessarily exclude chess or bridge from sports either. Not that dictionary definitions are useful as anything more than a simple guide to words, ignoring the fact the different definitions you gave actually contradict each other.

[MOM]

Well... TF2 really wouldnt be a sport. But games like racing games and more serious shooters, maybe.

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Escrito originalmente por Talon:

Yes pressing keys involved physical movement, but no. It was not a "physical activity" or exertion. Exertion implies strenuous effort.

"Physical activity" does not imply exertion, that is entirely your own invention.