Why are shotguns overpowered in every single game?

[R1ch4rd N1x0n]

Every single game shotguns are overpowered as f**k. Why?

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引用自 C4Warr10r：

引用自 Sir Illic：

Fair enough, I normally play multiplayer where the range of the shotgun is a real handicap.

That's the balancing thing, my Hospitallier friend. Like the knife, which is a HORRIBLE close-combat weapon, especially against armored targets, if you can get that close the devs give you a kill.

Sniper rifles often suffer the same fallacy. 7.62 mm bolt-actions or semi-autos are revered amongst many gamers for being so powerful. But IRL, against an M60, it is actually weaker. The M60 has a smaller and more sturdily-built gas-chamber that doesn't need to vent force until it pushes a very strong spring backwards, in addition to being fully automatic.

Yet if you've ever tried to play machine-gunner in a game, you know that you need more than one shot to kill the target.

引用自 🅱️oris the 🅱️lade🔪：

Or do you not know they load breaching rounds in gun and still let the breacher clear a room?

I know we never had them. Just use the shot for little doors and slugs for big ones. Specialized rounds are for special services that can afford them. Not Radio Operators serving as truck drivers who are doing an infantry patrol today because we don't have enough people.

Yes but I find the range handicapping since, unlike the knife, you can't bring another gun for long-ranged combat. If you bring a shotgun you gotta be dedicated to the role.

I've had several successful games with a shotgun, but not enough to outright call them overpowered. Although I'll still use them since it feels so satisfying to hear the loud bang followed by a kill.

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引用自 C4Warr10r：

引用自 🅱️oris the 🅱️lade🔪：

You need one shot more to kill a target, yet if you can deploy said weapon, you can cut people in half. Let me site a game. BF: Vietnam. The original. A 60 emplacement was the worst thing you could encounter. As it would do exactly what it was supposed to. Turn you into tidbits.

Right, it's a balancing thing, I never played BF Vietnam, but it sounds like deployment was a factor.

In Call of Duty, or later Battlefields, which I have played, the GPMGs require multiple shots, even mutiple bursts, to put a target down.

I can totally understand that, otherwise we'd just end up with what war is today: Machine-gunners are OP as hell and everyone else gets a pop-gun.

I wish original DoD was still a fun thing. The Charley Beach map was a great showcase for MG emplacements.

Every one else just dropped off ammo, and did rear guard for the heavy guns. Three good MG players could lock down the map hard.

[C4Warr10r]

引用自 Sir Illic：

Yes but I find the range handicapping since, unlike the knife, you can't bring another gun for long-ranged combat. If you bring a shotgun you gotta be dedicated to the role.

I've had several successful games with a shotgun, but not enough to outright call them overpowered. Although I'll still use them since it feels so satisfying to hear the loud bang followed by a kill.

That's another matter entirely, I'm just talking about the actual, physical performance of guns for the most part. If you think shotgun isn't balanced well for some games, you're probably right. I can even think of one right now; Call of Duty, World at War, colloquially known as Call of Duty, MP40 ♥♥♥♥♥-fare.

The range on the shotguns was ridiculously short, you had to hit with the whole spread, and all shotguns were slow as Christmas. Meanwhile, the MP40, firing a fairly slow 9mm parabellum round at a conservative and recoil-friendly rate, from a bottomless magazine, would end somebody in two hits.

I ended up using the Kar 98k for that game, over the MG42 which was far superior IRL. After all, I have no control over where the MG-42's bullets go, no matter how accurately I shoot, but with the Kar I just need one, or two for juggernauts.

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引用自 🅱️oris the 🅱️lade🔪：

引用自 ardiel：

Yes they use special rounds for breaching so it doesn't blow into the room. A breaching round can still be lethal if it hits a person directly though. It's basically a slug that is metal powder bound in wax so it can still be very powerful on the initial impact.

But the load those specially for breaching. No one is firing breaching rounds at a person unless ♥♥♥♥ went sideways. And if it did. I would rather have 12 lead balls tear my face off than a sledgehammer round blow all my teeth out, blow my nose to paste, and probably blind me.

I agree that you normally wouldn't shoot at people with the breaching shotgun, however it is plausible to do so, and it is also plausible to have normal rounds in the magazine and just load the breaching round when you need it.

A breaching round will still mess you up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klT3fuy024E

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引用自 C4Warr10r：

引用自 Sir Illic：

Yes but I find the range handicapping since, unlike the knife, you can't bring another gun for long-ranged combat. If you bring a shotgun you gotta be dedicated to the role.

I've had several successful games with a shotgun, but not enough to outright call them overpowered. Although I'll still use them since it feels so satisfying to hear the loud bang followed by a kill.

That's another matter entirely, I'm just talking about the actual, physical performance of guns for the most part. If you think shotgun isn't balanced well for some games, you're probably right. I can even think of one right now; Call of Duty, World at War, colloquially known as Call of Duty, MP40 ♥♥♥♥♥-fare.

The range on the shotguns was ridiculously short, you had to hit with the whole spread, and all shotguns were slow as Christmas. Meanwhile, the MP40, firing a fairly slow 9mm parabellum round at a conservative and recoil-friendly rate, from a bottomless magazine, would end somebody in two hits.

I ended up using the Kar 98k for that game, over the MG42 which was far superior IRL. After all, I have no control over where the MG-42's bullets go, no matter how accurately I shoot, but with the Kar I just need one, or two for juggernauts.

Well I've never used a real shotgun (or any gun for that matter) but the Call of Duty series seems to hate shotgun users in general. There's really no reason to use a shotgun when SMG's kill just as quickly at close range, and without having to pump the gun after every shot or needing to load every bullet for a full magazine. I had an easier time using shotguns in Battlefield, despite the maps looking like a snipers dream come true.

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引用自 ardiel：

引用自 🅱️oris the 🅱️lade🔪：

But the load those specially for breaching. No one is firing breaching rounds at a person unless ♥♥♥♥ went sideways. And if it did. I would rather have 12 lead balls tear my face off than a sledgehammer round blow all my teeth out, blow my nose to paste, and probably blind me.

I agree that you normally wouldn't shoot at people with the breaching shotgun, however it is plausible to do so, and it is also plausible to have normal rounds in the magazine and just load the breaching round when you need it.

A breaching round will still mess you up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klT3fuy024E

No doubt. It is like getting slapped with play-dough at 450 fps.

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引用自 🅱️oris the 🅱️lade🔪：

引用自 ardiel：

I agree that you normally wouldn't shoot at people with the breaching shotgun, however it is plausible to do so, and it is also plausible to have normal rounds in the magazine and just load the breaching round when you need it.

A breaching round will still mess you up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klT3fuy024E

No doubt. It is like getting slapped with play-dough at 450 fps.

Did you watch what it did to the pork shoulder and the ballistics gel?

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引用自 ardiel：

引用自 🅱️oris the 🅱️lade🔪：

No doubt. It is like getting slapped with play-dough at 450 fps.

Did you watch what it did to the pork shoulder and the ballistics gel?

I have fired similar rounds. So no. I get a scarier response from 5 ft birdshot.

I mean am I supposed to freak out. Oh man that did something! But I don't pick my shot based on videos. My home defense is a Taurus Judge, and .410 bird shot. I fire a revolver that is meant to stop someone from needing me to to pull my secondary gun. how bad am I. Because if the 5 shotgun blasts don't chill the aggressor.... My follow up is a 1911, a mossberg 552, and if that gets too nasty I pull out the real artillery.

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引用自 🅱️oris the 🅱️lade🔪：

引用自 ardiel：

Did you watch what it did to the pork shoulder and the ballistics gel?

I have fired similar rounds. So no. I get a scarier response from 5 ft birdshot.

I mean am I supposed to freak out. Oh man that did something! But I don't pick my shot based on videos. My home defense is a Taurus Judge, and .410 bird shot. I fire a revolver that is meant to stop someone from needing me to to pull my secondary gun. how bad am I. Because if the 5 shotgun blasts don't chill the aggressor.... My follow up is a 1911, a mossberg 552, and if that gets too nasty I pull out the real artillery.

If you refuse to look because you think you know then there is no point in talking to you.

[ChaffyExpert]

here is something ive learned. Do not queston game logic.