If it wasn't a meme before, it now is!

[kilésengati]

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/sandy-hook-families-seek-2-75-trillion-from-alex-jones-1.1836028

Basically, Sandy Hook families want to keep suing Alex Jones, now for damages possibly up to worth a third of the U.S. total outlays from the 2021 fiscal year[en.wikipedia.org]
Even most countries could only dream of such budgets.

What's up with that?

Is this America?

What do you think?

[Holografix]

Thermal Lance の投稿を引用：

I just gotta love when people head to the "high level words" to try and look more intelligent in a gaming forum. I mean, the bar is so low in a place like this that the very act of trying this is by itself an act of stupidity.

ah, that's right.

"Off topic: Where ignorance is intelligence."

[Judgmental Amaterasu]

Adversary の投稿を引用：

Holografix の投稿を引用：

False.


False. Typical persecution complex conspiracy theory bs talking points from corporate media.

Ad hominem ad nauseum. Tu quoque ad nauseum.

About as effective as Jones's "defense"

[kilésengati]

Holografix の投稿を引用：

kilésengati の投稿を引用：

Using skool internet?

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=i%27d+just+like+to+interject+for+a+moment&ia=web

Maybe that works... or that:

https://search.brave.com/search?q=i%27d+just+like+to+interject+for+a+moment&source=web

why don't you just cpoy/paste the text you want me to read?

Because copypastas are not allowed here and it wouldn't further understanding anyway.

Adversary の投稿を引用：

kilésengati の投稿を引用：

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/sandy-hook-families-seek-2-75-trillion-from-alex-jones-1.1836028

Basically, Sandy Hook families want to keep suing Alex Jones, now for damages possibly up to worth a third of the U.S. total outlays from the 2021 fiscal year[en.wikipedia.org]
Even most countries could only dream of such budgets.

What's up with that?

Is this America?

What do you think?

This sets a precedent that will backfire in a spectacular way the minute someone who has been similarly defamed capitalizes on it. Alex Jones admittedly engaged in defamation, sure. But the way damages were awarded could similarly be applied to cases where the shoe is on the other foot, a la those who are similarly defamed on the regular by talking heads and legacy media puppets on the other side of the political spectrum - which, Alex Jones is a talking head and no, he is not based. He's like Tucker Carlson or Glenn Beck in that he's part of the problem. Course, Jones doesn't have a corporate contract - though there are allegations of him working for Mossad but that and Ethan Klein's blatant antisemitism are another subject entirely.

Point being, someone who is similarly defamed by a more left-aligned walking talking suit-wearing bobblehead could make out like gangbusters with the precedent that judge resting ♥♥♥♥♥-face inadvertently set with this whole life ruination shtick going on here. Say what you want about the degenerate snake oil salesman and femboy enthusiast, it's clearly not about money here. It's about silencing him. And the way they want to do that is by driving him not only to the poor house, but to the funeral home.

Course, awarding damages based on social media engagements being the precedent made here is what will backfire more in the long run as the whole driving one's political adversaries to suicide thing is more of a one-sided sort of deal. Much like how insisting that real socialism hasn't been tried and that pixels are people too is a similar manner of mental illness entwined with both a denial of science, reality and basic human decency.

Really want to punch Machiavelli in the face when I really think about it.

First, it has to set precedent. I hope everything gets thrown out eventually, not because I like what Jones did there, but such precedent would, if enforced equally, render honest public discourse on the internet impossible without risking life-shattering financial consequences (even if you are not found guilty, legal defence is a business after all). If enforced unequally, it would also render the internet pretty much useless for communication as well and introduce a tyrannical regime, possibly leading to real-world conflict. Neither of which is favourable for anyone but the people controlling the regime - and those won't even be the foot soldier cheering on this development. The revolution will eat its children.
And by the way, unlike with civil law systems, under a rightful common law judicial system, unchallenged court rulings become the law applied to everyone until overturned. Keep that in mind.

[doug]

kilésengati の投稿を引用：

First, it has to set precedent. I hope everything get's thrown out eventually, not because I like what Jones did there, but such precedent would, if enforced equally, render honest public discourse on the internet impossible without risking life-shattering financial consequences (even if you are not found guilty, legal defence is a business after all).

No it wouldn't. There's nothing honest about what infowars does. They lie and ruin people's lives for their own financial gain.

[Holografix]

kilésengati の投稿を引用：

First, it has to set precedent. I hope everything get's thrown out eventually, not because I like what Jones did there, but such precedent would, if enforced equally, render honest public discourse on the internet impossible without risking life-shattering financial consequences (even if you are not found guilty, legal defence is a business after all). If enforced unequally, it would also render the internet pretty much useless for communication as well and introduce a tyrannical regime, possibly leading to real-world conflict. Neither of which is favourable for anyone but the people controlling the regime - and those won't even be the foot soldier cheering on this development. The revolution will eat its children.
And by the way, unlike with civil law systems, under a rightful common law judicial system, unchallenged court rulings become the law applied to everyone until overturned. Think about that.

Come on, that's all literal nonsense. That's not how the judicial system functions, and using the debunked 'domino theory' about 'slippery slopes' is BS in this situation.

[doug]

Holografix の投稿を引用：

Adversary の投稿を引用：

I'm just saying that it would do you some good to learn how to argue your points in a calm and logical manner without resorting to engaging in the aforementioned insults and debasement - or other logical fallacies, like cherrypicking or whataboutism. A bit of constructive criticism from someone who has technically had you blocked for several years yet still insists upon engaging with you.

One cannot debate insanity. Have you read your own posts? Baseless assertions, hyperbole, parroting corporate media talking points, conniptions, slander, weak aqueous congealing, and broadsmack.

Try writing a cogent comment, eh?

For real, man.

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doug の投稿を引用：

kilésengati の投稿を引用：

First, it has to set precedent. I hope everything get's thrown out eventually, not because I like what Jones did there, but such precedent would, if enforced equally, render honest public discourse on the internet impossible without risking life-shattering financial consequences (even if you are not found guilty, legal defence is a business after all).

No it wouldn't. There's nothing honest about what infowars does. They lie and ruin people's lives for their own financial gain.

If you'd ask all sides of the political discussion, that would describe about any media outlet nowadays - just change "Infowars" with any outlet perceived as adversary.

[Holografix]

kilésengati の投稿を引用：

doug の投稿を引用：

No it wouldn't. There's nothing honest about what infowars does. They lie and ruin people's lives for their own financial gain.

If you'd ask all sides of the political discussion, that would describe about any media outlet nowadays - just change "Infowars" with any outlet perceived as adversary.

now you're arguing in bad faith.

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Why couldn't they put him in jail on death row. I'm sure he committed some felonies.

[Thermal Lance]

doug の投稿を引用：

kilésengati の投稿を引用：

First, it has to set precedent. I hope everything get's thrown out eventually, not because I like what Jones did there, but such precedent would, if enforced equally, render honest public discourse on the internet impossible without risking life-shattering financial consequences (even if you are not found guilty, legal defence is a business after all).

No it wouldn't. There's nothing honest about what infowars does. They lie and ruin people's lives for their own financial gain.

Yeah.

Also, it's good and all to want to protect "honest public discourse" but there was absolutely nothing on the basis of "honest public discourse" in what Alex Jones did. Nothing. And those he targeted actually got real life impacts that did affect them greatly and impaired their very life.

I don't care when conspiracy theorists blasts their nonsense to their brainwashed audience. But, when it starts affecting "normal" people the way what Alex Jones said. Yeah, they completely lose the protection of that "lack of care" and better get braced to get blasted son. Legally speaking of course.

[Thermal Lance]

kilésengati の投稿を引用：

doug の投稿を引用：

No it wouldn't. There's nothing honest about what infowars does. They lie and ruin people's lives for their own financial gain.

If you'd ask all sides of the political discussion, that would describe about any media outlet nowadays - just change "Infowars" with any outlet perceived as adversary.

Not -any-, mostly mainstream outlets. But, quite frankly the real problem is people not taking the time to source the information and just drinking the Kool Aid. Give it 20 years and you got exactly what we are seeing now.

[kilésengati]

Holografix の投稿を引用：

kilésengati の投稿を引用：

First, it has to set precedent. I hope everything get's thrown out eventually, not because I like what Jones did there, but such precedent would, if enforced equally, render honest public discourse on the internet impossible without risking life-shattering financial consequences (even if you are not found guilty, legal defence is a business after all). If enforced unequally, it would also render the internet pretty much useless for communication as well and introduce a tyrannical regime, possibly leading to real-world conflict. Neither of which is favourable for anyone but the people controlling the regime - and those won't even be the foot soldier cheering on this development. The revolution will eat its children.
And by the way, unlike with civil law systems, under a rightful common law judicial system, unchallenged court rulings become the law applied to everyone until overturned. Think about that.

Come on, that's all literal nonsense. That's not how the judicial system functions, and using the debunked 'domino theory' about 'slippery slopes' is BS in this situation.

There is no slippery slope or domino effect, law either exist or it doesn't and under common law, law is not only made by the legislature but also by the judicial. And striking my quote isn't going going to change that. xD

[Thermal Lance]

kilésengati の投稿を引用：

Holografix の投稿を引用：

Come on, that's all literal nonsense. That's not how the judicial system functions, and using the debunked 'domino theory' about 'slippery slopes' is BS in this situation.

There is no slippery slope or domino effect, law either exist or it doesn't and under common law, law is not only made by the legislature but also by the judicial. And striking my quote isn't going going to change that. xD

What do you mean? Man just DELETED those words from existance with the celestial brush from Okami.

[Holografix]

Mans got Struck!

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Holografix の投稿を引用：

kilésengati の投稿を引用：

If you'd ask all sides of the political discussion, that would describe about any media outlet nowadays - just change "Infowars" with any outlet perceived as adversary.

now you're arguing in bad faith.

I'm not deceiving, just telling from my own experiences. Depending on where they stand politically, they tend to trust the media that validates their views more and tend to dismiss alternatives challenging their views as fake and harmful, which is often reinforced by the media they consume. Caught with confirmation bias in a positive feedback loop.
I know people that blindly believe RT, I know people that blindly believe Tagesschau, I know people that blindly believe random pundits. What's more scary, they are many and they often believe they have a balanced news diet - whatever that is.

Thermal Lance の投稿を引用：

kilésengati の投稿を引用：

There is no slippery slope or domino effect, law either exist or it doesn't and under common law, law is not only made by the legislature but also by the judicial. And striking my quote isn't going going to change that. xD

What do you mean? Man just DELETED those words from existance with the celestial brush from Okami.

I don't understand what you mean.