Why does Elon Musk have some many men simping for him?

[Yavin Shikanoko]

Fr I don't get what makes him so special for men.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

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That's not even touching the toxins produced in manufacturing EV batteries and solar equipment, they're still pipe dreams when it comes to actual clean energy with our current level of technology.

Then there's the fact Musk literally will hop on a private jet, and burn lord knows how much in fuel emissions for a 15 min flight.

Of course manufacturing batteries itself is a polluting process. It's not about having a perfect 100% energy. It's about choosing the lesser evil. And the most immediate issue is atmospheric polution.

But, what makes the whole thing so damn hard is how good oil is as an energy source. The energy contained in oil is way more dense than what we can achieve with modern battery technology. In term of efficiency and advantages, oil is still the king. A shame the polution it creates is a real problem thought.

I'm waiting for us to solve cold fusion and we switch everything over, I want my Star Trek future, damnit!

[Acetyl]

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Good people are trying to improve society. Building electric cars (cuz fossil fuels are limited), creating a global information network, and developing a private space program seems pretty good to me. Robot are cool too.

The consequence is he's rich.

Musk is funny too. Very acerbic wit. Quick.

Electric cars that need batteries replaced are worse then Subways like the one Vegas tried to build using third rails, both in terms of the environment and cities. Same goes with HSR compared to hyperloop. Also the amount of people who swear off EV's because they use different chargers when only ONE company uses a proprietary charger has done more damage to EV sales then anything Tesla could have done to help them.

Other than stating the obvious.... finite planet, finite resources, very dirty process to mine and refine the lithium to begin with. Electric vehicles have you riding around practically straddling a large transformer and electric motor, your trunk and entire floor is full of explosives (lithium batteries), there is no hard connection between any of the controls and the vehicle's systems, meaning your car can be hijacked remotely. Full of bluetooth, wi-fi, 4G LTE whatever in the onstar modules or whatever it uses to connect to the internet, induction chargers, bright white LED headlights burning your eyes out and blinding everyone else on the road, radar/lidar for blindspot detection... All of these artificial fields are biologically active. Back when people actually knew something and gave half a damn, eg when measurements in Volvos found that the cable leading from the trunk battery to the engine was generating a relatively strong field, they actually took steps to mitigate it in response to (I assume) consumer pressure. These days? No. They'll just keep pretending the safety standards are protective (or even rigorously enforced), that all of these fields are biologically inert. Ignoring the explosive and security aspect, it would be costly (even with something lightweight like mu-metal) to try to insulate the cabin, so no doubt they won't bother at all. So good luck when you or particularly your children end up with brain cancer, parkinsons, or childhood leukemia, "not my problem" says Musk. And then you're in the scramble you could say, cuz ya can't make an omelette without crackin a few eggs, don'tcha know. Cost of "progress".

It's a bad idea to start with, made far worse by extreme incompetence, delusion, and apathy. If there was some indication anyone was really trying to do something right, I would give credit where it's due. But that just isn't the case. Honestly, one could siomply say the way they want to implement all this is insane.

[kbiz]

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Electric cars that need batteries replaced are worse then Subways like the one Vegas tried to build using third rails, both in terms of the environment and cities.

What's the alternative? Electric powered vehicles are the future. Full stop. We gotta start somewhere.

I have a pretty fast gas powered car. I got my ass kicked by a Tesla S.

[Alliesaurus]

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Electric cars that need batteries replaced are worse then Subways like the one Vegas tried to build using third rails, both in terms of the environment and cities.

What's the alternative? Electric powered vehicles are the future. Full stop. We gotta start somewhere.

I have a pretty fast gas powered car. I got my ass kicked by a Tesla S.

They are the future yes, but Musk brainwashing everyone into thinking it will save the planet is crazy. Everything we do to try and slow climate change will always be negated by countries that are industry heavy such as India and China, who have very large populations that work in production and rely on that for their countries economy, they will most likely lie about emissions targets etc. So nobody should feel they have to buy and electric car when the majority of available fully electric cars aren't even produced on mass.

[Acetyl]

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Which is to say, it's more in their interest to keep throwing pills at the problem because keeping people sick is profitable. Cures cut into said bottom line, whilst treatments pad it out. Profiting off of misery

Yep, it's a pipeline. One could even call it clever vertical integration on an international scale. They're not scavengers and strict opportunists, they're amoral predators, so they won't just wait for you to get sick and be slowly made a permanent customer. They'll be the cause of their own relevance as well.

[RRW359]

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Electric cars that need batteries replaced are worse then Subways like the one Vegas tried to build using third rails, both in terms of the environment and cities.

What's the alternative? Electric powered vehicles are the future. Full stop. We gotta start somewhere.

I have a pretty fast gas powered car. I got my ass kicked by a Tesla S.

The future is electrification yes, but Cars only create induced demand which doesn't help cities and as we both agree batteries are a problem. That's why we need better mass transit that uses wires, things people are trying to do. But since they interfere with Musk's Tesla sales he tries everything he can to sabotage them. How exactally are EV's going to stop suburban growth? How are AI-driven cars going to help pedestrians and cyclists? Feeding Car addiction is always a step back, wheather they are EV's or not, and Musk is spearheading that (which as I said he can't even do competently because if you DO think they are the future then he is damaging the reputation of them for competing brands).

[kbiz]

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What's the alternative? Electric powered vehicles are the future. Full stop. We gotta start somewhere.

I have a pretty fast gas powered car. I got my ass kicked by a Tesla S.

They are the future yes, but Musk brainwashing everyone into thinking it will save the planet is crazy. Everything we do to try and slow climate change will always be negated by countries that are industry heavy such as India and China, who have very large populations that work in production and rely on that for their countries economy, they will most likely lie about emissions targets etc. So nobody should feel they have to buy and electric car when the majority of available fully electric cars aren't even produced on mass.

Musk isn't brainwashing anyone. The writing is on the wall. Demand is increasing and the supply is decreasing. Civilization is in peril for sure... for a number of reasons.

But electric vehicles are the future. And providing electric vehicles is just the first thing Musk has done.

You should listen to some of his interviews. Money is not so important to him.

[RRW359]

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They are the future yes, but Musk brainwashing everyone into thinking it will save the planet is crazy. Everything we do to try and slow climate change will always be negated by countries that are industry heavy such as India and China, who have very large populations that work in production and rely on that for their countries economy, they will most likely lie about emissions targets etc. So nobody should feel they have to buy and electric car when the majority of available fully electric cars aren't even produced on mass.

Musk isn't brainwashing anyone. The writing is on the wall. Demand is increasing and the supply is decreasing. Civilization is in peril for sure... for a number of reasons.

But electric vehicles are the future. And providing electric vehicles is just the first thing Musk has done.

You should listen to some of his interviews. Money is not so important to him.

All billionaires say that. Also how are EV's going to help people who can't afford Cars?

[Thermal Lance]

People worrying about the price of cars if electrics take over kind of confuse me. Do they even ask themselves why they can even afford a conventional car to begin with?

[RRW359]

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People worrying about the price of cars if electrics take over kind of confuse me. Do they even ask themselves why they can even afford a conventional car to begin with?

They can't. That's why neither are the answer.

[kbiz]

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All billionaires say that. Also how are EV's going to help people who can't afford Cars?

I'm not a billionaire yet.

There is simply no alternative to electric vehicles. Electric is like the English language - it's the energy nexus.

If we want to stop burning hydrocarbons, the only alternative is nuclear. Today.

Life is hard. You tell me how we're gonna afford cars in the future.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

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All billionaires say that. Also how are EV's going to help people who can't afford Cars?

I'm not a billionaire yet.

And it's unlikely you will be, but people who idolize and forgive billionaires who basically lie, cheat, steal, manipulate, and basically sit above the law to some degree. Always seem to think they too will be among the elite.


Homie, you're not going to be sitting pretty in some bubble commune on Mars. One of the reasons WHY Musk wants the mars colony so bad is so he can pay laborers even less wages than he does now.

You'll be workin' the mines, with the rest of us. ;)

[kbiz]

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Any billionaire that says money isn't important to them is a liar, and anyone that believes them is a damn fool.

I ain't no fool.

Musk didn't even have enough money to pay for college 25 years ago.

The money followed Musk.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

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Any billionaire that says money isn't important to them is a liar, and anyone that believes them is a damn fool.

I ain't no fool.

Musk didn't even have enough money to pay for college 25 years ago.

The money followed Musk.

The apartheid mine his father had a share in, that Musk is now trying to deny ever existed, went where exactly?

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Hell, Elon still tries to claim he CREATED Tesla, and his rabid fans eat it up. He in fact, didn't. It was created as Tesla Motors Inc by Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning.