Rings of Power and toxic Tolkien fandom.

[Apexnexius]

I'm so sad seeing the Lord of the Rings Tolkien community now turning Tolkien into a toxic fandom.
So many Tolkien fans are now showing their true colors.

The Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit and Silmarillion is for everyone, not just for some people.
..Middle-earth is also for women, people of color, non binary, transgender LGBTQ and other communities.

We should all support Amazon's new show Rings of Power.
Tall proud dark and/or black people in Númenor is not dangerous to Tolkien's work. It actually enriches the lore.

Again, we should all support Rings of Power and be more positive to each other.
I'm sure both J. R. R. Tolkien and Christopher Tolkien wanted it this way.


Friday 22nd of July Edit:

New The Rings of Power - SDCC Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYnQDsaxHZU


Edit 2:
On the behalf of the whole community I would like to thank everyone who has come to the defense of Amazon's decision to make Lord of the Rings more inclusive.
And it is needed !

Origineel geplaatst door MistyMountainHop:

So Sauron is an edgy twink Eminem.

Forget it. I'm out.

Just look at the horrendous comment above from this person.
Twink is a derogatory slur against queers. Read the lore in Silmarillion. Sauron had many shapes throughout the ages in MIddle-earth.

Tolkien was never about normative feelings. Just look at Frodo and Sam.
And Gandalf, played by Ian McKellen, is actually gay.
Please do not feel threatened by change.

J. R. R. Tolkien's universe is in good hands.



August 7th Super Edit:
@The Quartering, jeremo (at 6:53 in his/her video below)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp5OS1JE-Y4
Gandalf the Grey has 'de facto' cheerful gay happy feelings towards Hobbits, read the books for god's sake !
Also, Gandalf actually transitions several times (according to Tolkien lore).
One of the many times he transitioned, Gandalf transitioned from Gandalf the Grey to Gandalf the White. Tolkien is all about change and transitioning.
J. R. R. Tolkien went through World War 1 and came out as a different man. A changed man.

Amazon is doing the right thing here. It's all fabulous.



Edit 4:
If Gollum were to suddenly jump up from the river, sword in hand, landing on Elrond's ship while screaming..
" ..It's Tolkien Time precious ! "

That would be completely fine. You see, we are actually tolerant Tolkien fans.



Edit August 10th:
This was the most fun Steam Off Topic has ever been.
I'm leaving this thread open for those of you still interested in discussing Amazon's Rings of Power.
But I'm gonna have to unsubscribe. I lost interest early on, the very moment Amazon announced that they were involved.

If we are all wrong and it turns out the show is exciting (I highly doubt it) then I might start a subscription to Amazon Prime.

That's it !
Time to buy some Steam PC Games. Europa Universalis 4 here I come !

Game On dweebs !



-This thread is $150.000 dollar college degree certified-

[AdahnGorion]

Origineel geplaatst door MistyMountainHop:

Origineel geplaatst door Darkie:

Did you also attack the casting in The Passion of the Christ? Because lets be honest here... Mel Gibson does not look anything like a historical accurate Jesus would be like..

Bruh...

What?
Don´t you agree about the arguments presented?

[Lora Grim]

Seriously, though. Just imagine that scene where Frodo is going through the caves, but instead of spiders, a bunch of skaven just kill and eat him.
Sauron seething as the skaven toss the ring as an offering into the Great Horned One's communion chamber.. or it just gets lost and a skaven broodmother sits on it.
Sauron couldn't even hope to corrupt the skaven since they are already under eldritch influence.

[Morkonan]

Origineel geplaatst door Holografix:

Origineel geplaatst door Morkonan:

People should keep their hands off my stuff... That includes "Tolkien." They can have their own stuff, which may include their interpretation of Tolkien. But, if they want to put something up and declare it being truly "Tolkien" then they had better be ready to prove it.

Send this as an email to Amazon with a CC to Simon Tolkien who works as a consultant on Rings of Power.

I wouldn't have any issue with that at all. Though, Simon Tolkien's association... Well, I kind of doubt there's anything there more than just name-dropping PR and a licensing agreement.

While I compose my Magnum Opus Email, you can read this: https://dei.amazonstudios.com/inclusion-policy/

They, themselves, had the option to refrain and did not take it. Their own policy can prevent something like non-homogenous casting for Wakanda extras and walk-ons, but... can't be used to prevent non-homogenous casting in "other" sorts of productions?

Ah, I see how that works, now...

Note: I don't have an issue with it "being done." I truly have an issue on "how" it was done and the continued garbage excuses and the "you should feel bad for even asking" PR statements that they're putting out. They perpetuate this drama on purpose, IMO, as "free marketing," too. THAT is where I have the issue. Either way, though - They're just going to make the franchise into a political statement and, when it tanks, will blame "bigots and racists" for its failure. They'll do it, just like every single other production that has been built this way from the ground up.

[Morkonan]

Origineel geplaatst door Holografix:

Origineel geplaatst door Morkonan:

People should keep their hands off my stuff... That includes "Tolkien." They can have their own stuff, which may include their interpretation of Tolkien. But, if they want to put something up and declare it being truly "Tolkien" then they had better be ready to prove it.

Send this as an email to Amazon with a CC to Simon Tolkien who works as a consultant on Rings of Power.

I wouldn't have any issue with that at all. Though, Simon Tolkien's association... Well, I kind of doubt there's anything there more than just name-dropping PR and a licensing agreement.

While I compose my Magnum Opus Email, you can read this: https://dei.amazonstudios.com/inclusion-policy/

They, themselves, had the option to refrain and did not take it. Their own policy can prevent something like non-homogenous casting for Wakanda extras and walk-ons, but... can't be used to prevent non-homogenous casting in "other" sorts of productions?

Ah, I see how that works, now...

Note: I don't have an issue with it "being done." I truly have an issue on "how" it was done and the continued garbage excuses and the "you should feel bad for even asking" PR statements that they're putting out. They perpetuate this drama on purpose, IMO, as "free marketing," too. THAT is where I have the issue. Either way, though - They're just going to make the franchise into a political statement and, when it tanks, will blame "bigots and racists" for its failure. They'll do it, just like every single other production that has been built this way from the ground up.

[Groogo]

Origineel geplaatst door Apexnexius:

:nyanrainbow::RainSec:
I'm so sad seeing the Lord of the Rings Tolkien community now turning Tolkien into a toxic fandom.
So many Tolkien fans are now showing their true colors.

We should all support Amazon's new show Rings of Power.

Tolkien's fans want Middle Earth and would support the show if it was about Middle Earth and not today's social climate. The show is doomed from the start for the same reason that Netflix has lost half it's value.

[Holografix]

Origineel geplaatst door Morkonan:

Origineel geplaatst door Holografix:

Send this as an email to Amazon with a CC to Simon Tolkien who works as a consultant on Rings of Power.

I wouldn't have any issue with that at all. Though, Simon Tolkien's association... Well, I kind of doubt there's anything there more than just name-dropping PR and a licensing agreement.

While I compose my Magnum Opus Email, you can read this: ~snip~ from the ground up.

Your racial conspiracy theories are total BS.

Why are you even responding to me?
Send your complaint email to Amazon and be done with it.

[Morkonan]

Origineel geplaatst door Holografix:

Origineel geplaatst door Morkonan:

I wouldn't have any issue with that at all. Though, Simon Tolkien's association... Well, I kind of doubt there's anything there more than just name-dropping PR and a licensing agreement.

While I compose my Magnum Opus Email, you can read this: ~snip~ from the ground up.

Your racial conspiracy theories are total BS.

Why are you even responding to me?
Send your complaint email to Amazon and be done with it.

Huh? I just linked what Amazon's public policy statement actually is. That's it. There's no claim of a "conspiracy." It's... quota driven company policy. It's right there, in print.

Why did I respond to you? Well, it's... appropriate? Polite, even if two people disagree? Whatever. Don't worry about it anymore.

[Holografix]

Origineel geplaatst door Morkonan:

Origineel geplaatst door Holografix:

Your racial conspiracy theories are total BS.

Why are you even responding to me?
Send your complaint email to Amazon and be done with it.

Huh? I just linked what Amazon's public policy statement actually is. That's it. There's no claim of a "conspiracy." It's... quota driven company policy. It's right there, in print.

Why did I respond to you? Well, it's... appropriate? Polite, even if two people disagree? Whatever. Don't worry about it anymore.

You think you're the first person to comment about Amazon's hiring policy in this thread?

[ChaffyExpert]

Wow my posts are just farming points.

[Hat Person]

Origineel geplaatst door Traror:

Wow my posts are just farming points.

"C'mon down to Apexnexius' family farm where we got all the saltiest takes this side north!"

[ChaffyExpert]

Origineel geplaatst door Hat Person:

Origineel geplaatst door Traror:

Wow my posts are just farming points.

"C'mon down to Apexnexius' family farm where we got all the saltiest takes this side north!"

Now i just need to figure out what it's used for.

Aside from passive aggressive Jester awards.

[MistyMountainHop]

Origineel geplaatst door Darkie:

Origineel geplaatst door MistyMountainHop:

Bruh...

What?
Don´t you agree about the arguments presented?

Bruh...

[AdahnGorion]

Origineel geplaatst door MistyMountainHop:

Origineel geplaatst door Darkie:

What?
Don´t you agree about the arguments presented?

Bruh...

Atleast post something proper to the debate.
Do you agree with the statement or do you disagree? if so, why? and then make your counter.

All those oneliners, does not further debate.

Origineel geplaatst door Traror:

Origineel geplaatst door Hat Person:

"C'mon down to Apexnexius' family farm where we got all the saltiest takes this side north!"

Now i just need to figure out what it's used for.

Aside from passive aggressive Jester awards.

We are a friendly community here on steam and it is the point, that you keep the cycle going, by gifting another, the greatest honour of all... the Jester award

[The Commendatore]

Origineel geplaatst door Darkie:

We are a friendly community here on steam...

Don't kid yourself.

[AdahnGorion]

Origineel geplaatst door The Commendatore:

Origineel geplaatst door Darkie:

We are a friendly community here on steam...

Don't kid yourself.

I don´t

The vast majority of people on the steam off topic is actually extremely friendly.
Sure there are some that might go a tad out of the edge, but most are friendly and accept eachother differences.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2338605373