Rings of Power and toxic Tolkien fandom.

[Apexnexius]

I'm so sad seeing the Lord of the Rings Tolkien community now turning Tolkien into a toxic fandom.
So many Tolkien fans are now showing their true colors.

The Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit and Silmarillion is for everyone, not just for some people.
..Middle-earth is also for women, people of color, non binary, transgender LGBTQ and other communities.

We should all support Amazon's new show Rings of Power.
Tall proud dark and/or black people in Númenor is not dangerous to Tolkien's work. It actually enriches the lore.

Again, we should all support Rings of Power and be more positive to each other.
I'm sure both J. R. R. Tolkien and Christopher Tolkien wanted it this way.


Friday 22nd of July Edit:

New The Rings of Power - SDCC Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYnQDsaxHZU


Edit 2:
On the behalf of the whole community I would like to thank everyone who has come to the defense of Amazon's decision to make Lord of the Rings more inclusive.
And it is needed !

MistyMountainHop a écrit :

So Sauron is an edgy twink Eminem.

Forget it. I'm out.

Just look at the horrendous comment above from this person.
Twink is a derogatory slur against queers. Read the lore in Silmarillion. Sauron had many shapes throughout the ages in MIddle-earth.

Tolkien was never about normative feelings. Just look at Frodo and Sam.
And Gandalf, played by Ian McKellen, is actually gay.
Please do not feel threatened by change.

J. R. R. Tolkien's universe is in good hands.



August 7th Super Edit:
@The Quartering, jeremo (at 6:53 in his/her video below)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp5OS1JE-Y4
Gandalf the Grey has 'de facto' cheerful gay happy feelings towards Hobbits, read the books for god's sake !
Also, Gandalf actually transitions several times (according to Tolkien lore).
One of the many times he transitioned, Gandalf transitioned from Gandalf the Grey to Gandalf the White. Tolkien is all about change and transitioning.
J. R. R. Tolkien went through World War 1 and came out as a different man. A changed man.

Amazon is doing the right thing here. It's all fabulous.



Edit 4:
If Gollum were to suddenly jump up from the river, sword in hand, landing on Elrond's ship while screaming..
" ..It's Tolkien Time precious ! "

That would be completely fine. You see, we are actually tolerant Tolkien fans.



Edit August 10th:
This was the most fun Steam Off Topic has ever been.
I'm leaving this thread open for those of you still interested in discussing Amazon's Rings of Power.
But I'm gonna have to unsubscribe. I lost interest early on, the very moment Amazon announced that they were involved.

If we are all wrong and it turns out the show is exciting (I highly doubt it) then I might start a subscription to Amazon Prime.

That's it !
Time to buy some Steam PC Games. Europa Universalis 4 here I come !

Game On dweebs !



-This thread is $150.000 dollar college degree certified-

[Holografix]

Your_White_Knight a écrit :

What they can't corrupt... they will try to just outright destroy.

we know, we know, "tolkien is for white people only," yada yada yada...

go cry me a river.

[MistyMountainHop]

Holografix a écrit :

Your_White_Knight a écrit :

What they can't corrupt... they will try to just outright destroy.

we know, we know, tolkien is for white people only, yada yada yada...

go cry me a river.

Typical identitarian "comeback."

"We're changing the ♥♥♥♥ you love because we want it to suit our sensibilities and interests. Why U mad bro?"

[Holografix]

MistyMountainHop a écrit :

Holografix a écrit :

we know, we know, tolkien is for white people only, yada yada yada...

go cry me a river.

Typical identitarian "comeback."

"We're changing the ♥♥♥♥ you love because we want it to suit our sensibilities and interests. Why U mad bro?"

That I identify as "Amazon INC" is your weak takedown?

[Holografix]

Supergirl a écrit :

Holografix a écrit :

we know, we know, "tolkien is for white people only," yada yada yada...

go cry me a river.

Anybody can enjoy and admire white culture.

even white people? because i don't see them enjoying it.

[DasWulf]

Holografix a écrit :

DasWulf a écrit :

Still not an argument. ;-)

your post #1026 is literally addressed by my #3 in my #1024 post.

the kinds of arguments in your #1026 post are simple conspiracy theories that have no basis other than emotional appeal. Like a dog's bark, or a baby's cry.

You made no point lol, but you sure as hell avoided making one.

Conspiracy theories?
Bwahaha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPHKK5Mp1mI

One of many, one of many. Too many shows and movies have cast literal historical figures as something they were not, in a setting they were not in. Amazon themselves literally listed their quota system when it comes to excluding anything deemed "white". It is no conspiracy theory, it is overt, just as overt as the blacksploitation films of the 70s, They are not trying to hid it.

[MistyMountainHop]

Holografix a écrit :

MistyMountainHop a écrit :

Typical identitarian "comeback."

"We're changing the ♥♥♥♥ you love because we want it to suit our sensibilities and interests. Why U mad bro?"

That I identify as "Amazon INC" is your weak takedown?

Do you? That would explain your relentless defense of this laughable piece of ♥♥♥♥ "adaptation".

[Holografix]

MistyMountainHop a écrit :

Holografix a écrit :

That I identify as "Amazon INC" is your weak takedown?

Do you? That would explain your relentless defense of this laughable piece of ♥♥♥♥ "adaptation".

What do you identify as?

[MistyMountainHop]

Holografix a écrit :

MistyMountainHop a écrit :

Do you? That would explain your relentless defense of this laughable piece of ♥♥♥♥ "adaptation".

What do you identify as?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBW2aQFVzCU

[Holografix]

DasWulf a écrit :

Holografix a écrit :

your post #1026 is literally addressed by my #3 in my #1024 post.

the kinds of arguments in your #1026 post are simple conspiracy theories that have no basis other than emotional appeal. Like a dog's bark, or a baby's cry.

You made no point lol, but you sure as hell avoided making one.

Conspiracy theories?
Bwahaha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPHKK5Mp1mI

One of many, one of many. Too many shows and movies have cast literal historical figures as something they were not, in a setting they were not in. Amazon themselves literally listed their quota system when it comes to excluding anything deemed "white". It is no conspiracy theory, it is overt, just as overt as the blacksploitation films of the 70s, They are not trying to hid it.

You think that everytime a non-white person is cast to play a white historical character it is part of a vast conspiracy to weaken white people's power and to erase white people's culture?

Do you know how insane you look?

[MistyMountainHop]

Holografix a écrit :

You think that everytime a non-white person is cast to play a white historical character it is part of a vast conspiracy to weaken white people's power and to erase white people's culture?

Do you know how insane you look?

Gaslighting.

[Holografix]

MistyMountainHop a écrit :

Holografix a écrit :

You think that everytime a non-white person is cast to play a white historical character it is part of a vast conspiracy to weaken white people's power and to erase white people's culture?

Do you know how insane you look?

Gaslighting.

no, i am asking a question.

[MistyMountainHop]

Holografix a écrit :

MistyMountainHop a écrit :

Gaslighting.

no, i am asking a question.

Is that so? What sort of answer are you expecting?

"Yes, I do realize how insane I look. There is no cultural erasure happening at all, and I am totally wrong for noticing all evidence of it. Also, Orange Man bad."

Something like that, perhaps?

[Your_White_Knight]

MistyMountainHop a écrit :

Holografix a écrit :

That I identify as "Amazon INC" is your weak takedown?

Do you? That would explain your relentless defense of this laughable piece of ♥♥♥♥ "adaptation".

Hypocrisy and spite... that's all Holografix knows...

[DasWulf]

Holografix a écrit :

DasWulf a écrit :

You made no point lol, but you sure as hell avoided making one.

Conspiracy theories?
Bwahaha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPHKK5Mp1mI

One of many, one of many. Too many shows and movies have cast literal historical figures as something they were not, in a setting they were not in. Amazon themselves literally listed their quota system when it comes to excluding anything deemed "white". It is no conspiracy theory, it is overt, just as overt as the blacksploitation films of the 70s, They are not trying to hid it.

You think that everytime a non-white person is cast to play a white historical character it is part of a vast conspiracy to weaken white people's power and to erase white people's culture?

Do you know how insane you look?

"Showrunner for Game of Thrones Spin Off House of the Dragon says House Velaryon Race Swapped to Avoid Putting another bunch of white people on the scrreen"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uauqgv9VauI

Wish to continue?

What they are doing is literally, and ironically given this thread, tokenism wrapped up in "decolonizing" the "white space". Maybe you should pay more attention to what they are saying and doing before taking a denialist position. Again, Amazon literally has a quota system in place for their shows, which is to reduce the "white" by up to 50%, regardless of content.

This is happening, and quite frankly its turning away a huge segment of the existing audience base. If that audience base refuses to consume it, like clockwork, ideologues resort to calling them emotionally charged words, such as Toxic. Case in point: Thread.

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Your_White_Knight a écrit :

What they can't corrupt... they will try to just outright destroy.

destroyed by... minorities existing

honestly, if something is "destroyed" by the mere presence of people from marginalized groups, then you gotta wonder if it's so worth weeping over