EU approves law set to ban the sale of new gas and diesel cars by 2035

[Tsubame ⭐]

What do you think?

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/09/goodbye-gasoline-cars-eu-lawmakers-vote-to-ban-new-sales-from-2035.html#:~:text=European%20lawmakers%20have%20voted%20to%20ban%20the%20sale,by%20the%20European%20Commission%2C%20the%20EU%E2%80%99s%20executive%20branch.

Personally, while I like the idea of electric and other more environmentally friendly fuels - i.e. ethanol - cars, things still need big improvements, for one charging electric cars is not exactly a convenient process - at all - and two, battery failures are extremely expensive to repair...

[Kobs]

I'd be onboard too if someone pays for my $60.000 electric car

[Tsubame ⭐]

Messaggio originale di Out Of Bubblegum:

Messaggio originale di ᠌ ⁧⁧Tsubame ⭐:

battery failures are extremely expensive to repair...

So are engine rebuilds and transmission rebuilds. EV cars have much less overall to repair.

Yes, but unlike conventional engines and transmissions, EV batteries do not have the best track record of reliability, at least so far. Plus, charging stations themselves also incur a fairly large one-time installation cost, plus maintenance.

Furthermore, batteries consistently degrade over time, and will invariably need replacing at some point or another.

At least battery prices are expected to go down in the next few years ahead.

On the long term, EV cars do have less costs compared to conventional combustion cars. For example, on cities with traffic, electric cars spend little charge when stopped, unlike conventional engines, which continue to burn quite a bit of fuel. That is a big plus indeed.

The main problem is that they take forever to charge. A conventional combustion engine takes literally a minute to refill. Not everything is about the money sometimes.

[davidb11]

Messaggio originale di KyokoKirigireeee🎃:

they are already planning to allow strip mining of ocean floor for the nodules to help build batteries

quite possibly a major ecological disaster and mass die off due to silting out sunlight

I don't think you understand what strip mining is and how that is literally impossible to do on the ocean floor because of this pesky thing called water. :P
And physics as a whole.
And the most common thing on the floor of the ocean in balls literally, is manganese.

Silting out sunlight? Huh?
That's not even how the ocean floor works.
It's pitch black there.
Light can't get through to the bottom.
It's already devoid of sunlight.

Heck, exposing it to sunlight would require the removal of half the ocean. LOL.

[skOsH♥]

The need to scale up every energy grid is needed, first

Which requires scientists to build a small fusion reactor. If it was placed in a space in the Sahara desert or something it could power the entire planet and there would be no shortage of charging devices or providing voltage to specific outlets to be used.

I don't see this happening until like, 2050. They need to allow an easier transition to electric cars. Some countries, say, the Netherlands, have electric car charging spots all over the place, but I would hazard a guess that about 1 in 8 people are driving full electric

We will need 800% more power at the minimum, and the logical way to achieve this much power is nuclear fusion.

They'll still be used diesel and gas cars and trucks driving around

[Uncle Sam]

Messaggio originale di Fried Brains:

Op, It will make peace harder to sustain and war easier to wage.

Due the limited amount of rare earths metals, we might see a military Invasion of Latin America instead of OIL, this time around will be for Lithium. I hope to be wrong, however the psychopaths at the Military Industrial Complex might be greedy & soulless as usual.

[🍋 Lemonfed 🍋]

Messaggio originale di ᠌ ⁧⁧Tsubame ⭐:

Good thing the EU has good transit networks, and is pretty pedestrian and bike friendly.

This law would never work anywhere in the Americas, especially the US, well, not during our lifetimes anyway lol.

lot's of peoples could easily do almost everything with a simple eletric bike , they just need to make the rules about eletric vehicle less restrictives and more streamlined worldwide.

saying this e-bike need a license and plates just because the motor on it has more then X watts or it's can reach over 25 or 35 or 45 KMH is dumb , it's make the bikes much less attractives.

Bike are about being cheap , simple and efficients.

[Naru, Chief Defendestrator]

Messaggio originale di ᠌ ⁧⁧Tsubame ⭐:

What do you think?

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/09/goodbye-gasoline-cars-eu-lawmakers-vote-to-ban-new-sales-from-2035.html#:~:text=European%20lawmakers%20have%20voted%20to%20ban%20the%20sale,by%20the%20European%20Commission%2C%20the%20EU%E2%80%99s%20executive%20branch.

Personally, while I like the idea of electric and other more environmentally friendly fuels - i.e. ethanol - cars, things still need big improvements, for one charging electric cars is not exactly a convenient process - at all - and two, battery failures are extremely expensive to repair...

Electric car batteries are extremely toxic and notoriously difficult to recycle.

Plus lithium is the modern day blood diamond, so...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LJTnkzl3K64

[Uncle Sam]

Messaggio originale di Schindler's Lifts:

While I like internal combustion cars, the sad truth is that we need to start moving away from it soon. The simple fact is that fossil fuels are a finite resource, and estimates on the amounts of crude oil remaining aren't looking too great. If we don't have a widely adopted alternative to internal combustion (electric, hydrogen, whatever) by say 2050, we're in trouble.

Agreed, however the alternative shouldn't rely on rare earth metals which are a finite resource or will be back to square one, while we further pollute the planet even more.

[davidb11]

Messaggio originale di Uncle Sam:

Messaggio originale di Fried Brains:

Op, It will make peace harder to sustain and war easier to wage.

Due the limited amount of rare earths metals, we might see a military Invasion of Latin America instead of OIL, this time around will be for Lithium. I hope to be wrong, however the psychopaths at the Military Industrial Complex might be greedy & soulless as usual.

I don't think you understand how war works.
AT All.
Ever.

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried for a decade straight.

[Z i o ⚡]

They're not exactly more environmentally friendly, and ethanol needs lots of cornfields. They're more about policy or new tech, with low emissions from the vehicles as selling points. Keyword from the vehicles, but not from making them.

[MinionJoe]

Messaggio originale di Fried Brains:

... every time some one talks about a solution that is just a road block.

Blocking all the roads would certainly eliminate the need for transportation.

[Uncle Sam]

Messaggio originale di davidb11:

Messaggio originale di Uncle Sam:

Due the limited amount of rare earths metals, we might see a military Invasion of Latin America instead of OIL, this time around will be for Lithium. I hope to be wrong, however the psychopaths at the Military Industrial Complex might be greedy & soulless as usual.

I don't think you understand how war works.
AT All.
Ever.

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried for a decade straight.

Well there was an attempt of coup d'etat in Bolivia, Peru, Venezuela in the last couple of years. There was a very recent attempt to kill Argentina current Vice-President, the whole shenaningans in Brazil elections atm, etc. There are attempts to destabilize the region, and put more "good" puppets in place.

[Majestic Turkey]

Messaggio originale di ᠌ ⁧⁧Tsubame ⭐:

Good thing the EU has good transit networks, and is pretty pedestrian and bike friendly.

This law would never work anywhere in the Americas, especially the US, well, not during our lifetimes anyway lol.

Yea no, watching too many bikeable cities on youtube huh.

The unsustainable european society built on past prosperity will continue to decay, no different from Germany shutting down its nuclear plants, they have become a people of good thoughts with no regard for consequences.

[Conejo]

Most companies have been manufacturing combustion engines for almost (and some have) 100 years. Yet they can't still produce a quality engine that isn't a leaking/burning piece of ♥♥♥♥. Yet everyone wants to put complete trust in them to build electric engines... complete madness. Cry all you want, you have a higher chance of dying due to your own stupidity than to "global warming".

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Messaggio originale di ᠌ ⁧⁧Tsubame ⭐:

What do you think?

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/09/goodbye-gasoline-cars-eu-lawmakers-vote-to-ban-new-sales-from-2035.html#:~:text=European%20lawmakers%20have%20voted%20to%20ban%20the%20sale,by%20the%20European%20Commission%2C%20the%20EU%E2%80%99s%20executive%20branch.

Personally, while I like the idea of electric and other more environmentally friendly fuels - i.e. ethanol - cars, things still need big improvements, for one charging electric cars is not exactly a convenient process - at all - and two, battery failures are extremely expensive to repair...

So this is bad in 2 way: Preplanning. Like they gave themselves 15 years to basically setup a non-fossil fuel transportation network which as far as I know Semi's that run on solar power dont exist yet, largely car do and I can say here and now that the conditions most truckers drive in are not warrent of sunlight.

The other is the clearly just blunt dumb way of doing it, not the idea, just the way of doing it, giving yourself 15 years for a whole nation is by far one of the worst things to do, like the US does not just wake up one day and say "oh my resesion is over'