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Dracoco OwO 2022 年 8 月 16 日 上午 4:11 
引用自 Your_White_Knight
引用自 huenguyen98qn
Seriously, why do people HATE cyclists?

I was riding today and where the bike path ends I have to hop on the actual street for a bit (yellow line) before another bike path that takes me to my house. I avoid actual road as much as I can. I usually go to the crosswalk but there were cars coming (blue arrow) that I wanted to get ahead of so I crossed early. There was a car at a red light (red rectangle) who got a green just as I started to cross. I was all the way across the street before he even got through the intersection (which is still ~50ft from from where I crossed) and he lays on the horn and yells "♥♥♥♥♥♥ cyclist!" out the window.

♥♥♥ dude! If I slowed him down, sure, honk at me. But damn dude do you yell at other cars when the driver is texting, speeding, or roll a stop sign? I know crossing was not technically the "right" thing to do, but let that be my decision if it's not impacting you.

I get get this anti-cyclist attitude often. People violating other rules (e.g. walking dog off the leash) or people walking on very much bike-oriented (e.g. jumps/berms) trails asking "why do you have to ride here?" as if they have more right to be there than I do.

Because they act like they own the road...
In here they also act like they own the sidewalk.
Naru, Chief Defendestrator 2022 年 8 月 16 日 上午 8:52 
Cyclists are hated because they use their more vulnerable position as leverage to take advantage of drivers obeying the rules of the road.

Not trying to be mean, but I think you already had an inkling of the answer to the question, OP.
Rico 2022 年 8 月 16 日 上午 9:13 
引用自 wize1
It's because it's too humble. You can ride a bike in india or china, but not anywhere in the west. They drive cars. They don't wanna see you as an inconvenicne to their ego. You're not paying for gas, so they despise you. Simple.

In other countries they squish cyclist, pedestrian or anything that violates right of way; often rightly so, and thus they keep to their lanes.

I remember there were some Americans in Poland who got hit only a few minutes on the street because they assume vehicles would stop for them as one example.
RRW359 2022 年 8 月 16 日 上午 9:18 
引用自 wize1
It's because it's too humble. You can ride a bike in india or china, but not anywhere in the west. They drive cars. They don't wanna see you as an inconvenicne to their ego. You're not paying for gas, so they despise you. Simple.
Well then how do you explain pedestrians like me who understand the hate for cyclists that often break the law and put us in damger (not that all cyclists do but it's way to big of a number to ignore)?
TTV-Clarence 2022 年 8 月 16 日 上午 9:19 
yeah
TTV-Clarence 2022 年 8 月 16 日 上午 9:19 
W
Soceris 2022 年 8 月 16 日 上午 9:20 
Wow, some people really do think like that. .-.
Wizardhermit 2022 年 8 月 16 日 上午 9:22 
引用自 wize1
It's because it's too humble. You can ride a bike in india or china, but not anywhere in the west. They drive cars. They don't wanna see you as an inconvenicne to their ego. You're not paying for gas, so they despise you. Simple.
Ego? Come to the USA and only use a bicycle as transportation when there can be a hundred or more miles between cities and ride it on the freeway, even the cities and towns are enormous.

Honestly that's just ignorant. Most of our states are bigger than entire countries in Europe.
最後修改者:Wizardhermit; 2022 年 8 月 16 日 上午 9:27
Mad Scientist 2022 年 8 月 16 日 上午 9:30 
引用自 huenguyen98qn
Seriously, why do people HATE cyclists?
Because they usually put themselves into situations that should not exist and expect everyone else to work around their presence.

Ever gone downhill in a heavy or super-heavy vehicle that's basically a giant explosive and a bunch of cyclists are on a highway or freeway not designed or meant for cyclists? That's basically one of the issues. Now imagine that, but it includes dangerous curves and very limited lanes, often 1 lane, again not meant for cyclists to EVER be on.

It's a highway, meant for high speed traffic, not cycling tourism. That is one of many reasons.

引用自 huenguyen98qn
♥♥♥ dude!
That's also why. How you act & react, can make people hate them more.

引用自 huenguyen98qn
I get get this anti-cyclist attitude often. People violating other rules (e.g. walking dog off the leash) or people walking on very much bike-oriented (e.g. jumps/berms) trails asking "why do you have to ride here?" as if they have more right to be there than I do.
Vehicles have the right of way on roads made for vehicles. Anything that cannot go the speed limit have less right to be there and are a danger to traffic especially if people have to go into opposing traffic lanes to pass them.

Bike lanes and bike trails are for bikes, not the road. Cyclists often forget the road is often used by heavy/commercial/industrial equipment that cannot stop on a dime and stopping with a certain level of force or greater can result in loss of cargo, damage, road closures, hazmat spills & cleanup, injury or death of drivers for having to brake or make maneuvers to avoid danger, especially caused by cyclists. That, is a large reason for the anti-cyclist attitude. They're often completely in the roadway blocking high speed traffic.

I often carry fuel and chemicals, if someone doesn't want those on them or to be on fire from a spill, they should be completely off the road especially if not able to go the speed limit. If there's no bike lane, don't ride on it especially if it's a higher speed road. Simple concept many cyclists seem to ignore.

The stereotype of cyclists based off of their actions as a whole are why they are hated.

引用自 wize1
It's because it's too humble. You can ride a bike in india or china, but not anywhere in the west. They drive cars. They don't wanna see you as an inconvenicne to their ego. You're not paying for gas, so they despise you. Simple.
Things in the states are often over distance if you're not in a tightly packed city. It has nothing to do with ego, it has everything to do with "if you can't go 55 in a 55. 65 in a 65, 70 in a 70 or 75 in a 75 then stay out of the road". Cyclists in the states are some of the most dangerous people on the road as they tend to cause an immense amount of danger for vehicles, especially larger vehicles.
最後修改者:Mad Scientist; 2022 年 8 月 16 日 上午 9:33
RRW359 2022 年 8 月 16 日 上午 9:38 
引用自 Mr. Gentlebot
引用自 huenguyen98qn
Seriously, why do people HATE cyclists?
Because they usually put themselves into situations that should not exist and expect everyone else to work around their presence.

Ever gone downhill in a heavy or super-heavy vehicle that's basically a giant explosive and a bunch of cyclists are on a highway or freeway not designed or meant for cyclists? That's basically one of the issues. Now imagine that, but it includes dangerous curves and very limited lanes, often 1 lane, again not meant for cyclists to EVER be on.

It's a highway, meant for high speed traffic, not cycling tourism. That is one of many reasons.

引用自 huenguyen98qn
♥♥♥ dude!
That's also why. How you act & react, can make people hate them more.

引用自 huenguyen98qn
I get get this anti-cyclist attitude often. People violating other rules (e.g. walking dog off the leash) or people walking on very much bike-oriented (e.g. jumps/berms) trails asking "why do you have to ride here?" as if they have more right to be there than I do.
Vehicles have the right of way on roads made for vehicles. Anything that cannot go the speed limit have less right to be there and are a danger to traffic especially if people have to go into opposing traffic lanes to pass them.

Bike lanes and bike trails are for bikes, not the road. Cyclists often forget the road is often used by heavy/commercial/industrial equipment that cannot stop on a dime and stopping with a certain level of force or greater can result in loss of cargo, damage, road closures, hazmat spills & cleanup, injury or death of drivers for having to brake or make maneuvers to avoid danger, especially caused by cyclists. That, is a large reason for the anti-cyclist attitude. They're often completely in the roadway blocking high speed traffic.

I often carry fuel and chemicals, if someone doesn't want those on them or to be on fire from a spill, they should be completely off the road especially if not able to go the speed limit. If there's no bike lane, don't ride on it especially if it's a higher speed road. Simple concept many cyclists seem to ignore.

The stereotype of cyclists based off of their actions as a whole are why they are hated.

引用自 wize1
It's because it's too humble. You can ride a bike in india or china, but not anywhere in the west. They drive cars. They don't wanna see you as an inconvenicne to their ego. You're not paying for gas, so they despise you. Simple.
Things in the states are often over distance if you're not in a tightly packed city. It has nothing to do with ego, it has everything to do with "if you can't go 55 in a 55. 65 in a 65, 70 in a 70 or 75 in a 75 then stay out of the road". Cyclists in the states are some of the most dangerous people on the road as they tend to cause an immense amount of danger for vehicles, especially larger vehicles.
If it's legal for them to go on a road that's normally 60mph then I don't see the problem, it's when they do it in places where it isn't legal that I take issue with. How do you know that they aren't in just as much of a rush to get to their destination as you are? Just because they can't afford something that can go 60+MPH doesn't mean they don't need to get somewhere.

This was also my response to OP's complaining about peds on bike trails. Just because we can't afford a bike doesn't mean we don't need to use I rather then a road with crosswalks and traffic to get where we are going, as long as we aren't legally forbidden from doing so.
HypersleepyNaputunia 2022 年 8 月 16 日 上午 9:41 
curious, what is the stated purpose of roads

did cars take over the horse paths?
are all transport equally allowed use even carriages and goat carts regardless of speed?

if roads are only for cars must the government provide secondary slow speed vehicle options at all locations?
最後修改者:HypersleepyNaputunia; 2022 年 8 月 16 日 上午 9:44
Your_White_Knight 2022 年 8 月 16 日 上午 9:41 
引用自 Dracoco OwO
引用自 Your_White_Knight

Because they act like they own the road...
In here they also act like they own the sidewalk.

Neither is a good thing...
RRW359 2022 年 8 月 16 日 上午 9:54 
curious, what is the stated purpose of roads

did cars take over the horse paths?
are all transport equally allowed use even carriages and goat carts regardless of speed?

if roads are only for cars must the government provide secondary slow speed vehicle options at all locations?
They kind of just evolved into what they are now with large vehicles requiring road maintenance. I don't mind the *idea of cyclists on the road if the law allows it, but considering how many times I've seen people break the law in regards to pedestrians, I'm not surprised when I hear about cyclists breaking road laws.

*I know this will get me flack from both cyclists and drivers, but until we get bike lanes everywhere, I think modes of transportation should only go into the lane where they would be more vulnerable. If a cyclist goes onto the sidewalk then a collision would likely result in more serious injuries for the pedestrian, likewise if it gets into a collision in the road the cyclist is likely to get the worse injury. If they have to choose between the two then the cyclist should go in the lane that presents danger to themselves rather than to peds, and nothing is stopping a cyclist from walking a bike on the sidewalk either.
Rico 2022 年 8 月 16 日 上午 9:54 
Almost no one minds bicycle riders; but cyclists [there is a difference] usually make themselves known the wrong way. It pretty much comes down to this.

Are they in the way of anyone?
-No; then no problem, why make it one?

-Yes; they rightfully incur the wraith of pedestrian and/or motorist that they bother by taking up a lane wrong, ignore road rules, go too slow, go too fast, dismounting at the wrong times or being a nuisance.

If they want the same respect as a proper vehicle they should be licensed and insured; otherwise its all at their own risk and they shouldn't complain when things go wrong often at their instigation.
HypersleepyNaputunia 2022 年 8 月 16 日 上午 9:59 
lol

"In the United Kingdom, the Locomotive Acts was a policy requiring self-propelled vehicles to be led by a pedestrian waving a red flag or carrying a lantern to warn bystanders of the vehicle's approach."

wikipedia
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