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Messaggio originale di Thought Criminal:
Why don't cyclists use the sidewalk instead of the bike road? Less riskier for both parties.
its forbidden by law
Messaggio originale di Thought Criminal:
Why don't cyclists use the sidewalk instead of the bike road? Less riskier for both parties.
Because pedestrians hate suddenly hearing a bell and then fearing for their life unclear which way to strafe. Also I think some *places have speed limits for bikes on sidewalks.

*I've heard my area does but I haven't been able to find it in the law (if it does I guarantee it's violated all the time). As someone with an etrike who likes to follow the law I always walk it when there isn't a bike path (still not comfortable on roads unless it's a sharrow and even then maybe) just to be safe.
They run red lights and stop signs.
Messaggio originale di The Tops:
There's a road in my town that doesn't have a bike lane but has WIIIIIDE sidewalks and pathways on either side - clearly designed to accommodate cyclists, pedestrians, skateboards, whatever else.

What do the cyclists do? Bike in the road.

And the lanes are a bit narrow so trying to pass them makes me feel like I'm inches away from hitting them. Sometimes, I don't feel like there's enough room to pass, so I'm stuck going 15mph behind them until they get a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hint and gtfo out of the way.
In fairness as a pedestrian I prefer them on the road (which is why we need lanes; not that I haven't seen cyclists on the road/sidewalk when they have an empty and perfectly usable cycle lane).
Messaggio originale di Pinky:
Messaggio originale di RRW359:
Because pedestrians hate suddenly hearing a bell and then fearing for their life unclear which way to strafe. Also I think some *places have speed limits for bikes on sidewalks.

Electric scooters have become a danger for pedestrians in my city, as there is currently no law forbidding those being rode on the sidewalk. They can travel quite fast and are virtually silent, and a number of people have been seriously injured being struck by them.
There is a law in mine. Not that it changes anything.
Messaggio originale di Pinky:
Messaggio originale di RRW359:
Because pedestrians hate suddenly hearing a bell and then fearing for their life unclear which way to strafe. Also I think some *places have speed limits for bikes on sidewalks.

Electric scooters have become a danger for pedestrians in my city, as there is currently no law forbidding those being rode on the sidewalk. They can travel quite fast and are virtually silent, and a number of people have been seriously injured being struck by them.
we have a law for them while they are extremely capped in speed like only 20km/h (15mph).. they are lighter and slower and easier to control than bikes but are still forced to use the bike lane or street
Ultima modifica da ZZZZZ; 15 ago 2022, ore 19:33
A lot of cyclists will ride up behind you and get mad if you stop to see where they are, or try to step out of the way so they can zoom past and almost hit you.

Then there’s the ones who hog a car lane at 15mph, then speed up to 20 when a car shows up. Or blatantly slow down like they’re entitled to your time.
Messaggio originale di The Grim Reaper:
When I used to drive to work there was usually a cyclist in the middle of the road blocking it, while there was a cycle path right beside them.

That's why people hate cyclists. I used to throw bottles of coke at them out of the window. I did knock a few off, it was quite funny.
That six inches between the fog line and the curb is not a cycle path. If a rider tried to squeeze into it, chances are he's just going to get taken out by somebody's mirror.

And congratulations. At best you are a horrible person. At worse you could have killed somebody, if you managed to cause the cyclist to wreck and get his head crushed by a passing vehicle like a ripe melon.

A motorist once threw the contents of his ash tray at me. I followed him to his parking spot at the Walmart. Turns out that when a guy driving a pickup truck isn't protected by a big steel box and is instead face to face with someone with a 14" beard, quads like a power lifter, and a u-lock in his hand he isn't so tough anymore. He was really quick to apologize.

Messaggio originale di Thought Criminal:
Why don't cyclists use the sidewalk instead of the bike road? Less riskier for both parties.
As I mentioned in a previous post, because in many places it's illegal for the cyclist to use the sidewalk, and even where it's not they would be putting pedestrians in danger. Just pass them like any other slower moving vehicle. Safely and legally.

I think both motorists and cyclists should agree that better, safer cycling infrastructure is needed everywhere. Safer for all parties involved, both on bikes and in cars.
They're squishy yet act invincible.
Messaggio originale di Greedy Inc.:
Messaggio originale di MinionJoe:
They congest the roads yet pay no fuel taxes that go towards road repairs.
yea it would make sense to lower taxes in general if you dont own a car.. like way more infrastructe than roads is based on car owners and everyone has to pay their share for the car dudes for no reason
That's not how it works.

Car owners pay for the roads and supporting infrastructure (traffic lights, etc) through a combination of fuel taxes and property taxes on their vehicles.

Cyclists pay neither fuel tax nor property tax on their bikes yet they have equal access to roads and its supporting infrastructure.

Messaggio originale di 8bitbeard:
I think both motorists and cyclists should agree that better, safer cycling infrastructure is needed everywhere. Safer for all parties involved, both on bikes and in cars.

I agree. My local municipality has been working for years to add bike lanes and appropriate road markings in the area. None of the funding was secured through taxation of bicycle-related products or services.

So, you're welcome cyclists.
Ultima modifica da MinionJoe; 15 ago 2022, ore 19:58
Messaggio originale di MinionJoe:
Messaggio originale di Greedy Inc.:
yea it would make sense to lower taxes in general if you dont own a car.. like way more infrastructe than roads is based on car owners and everyone has to pay their share for the car dudes for no reason
That's not how it works.

Car owners pay for the roads and supporting infrastructure (traffic lights, etc) through a combination of fuel taxes and property taxes on their vehicles.

Cyclists pay neither fuel tax nor property tax on their bikes yet they have equal access to roads and its supporting infrastructure.
In fairness though four people on bikes wears down roads less than a car, and that's assuming every multi-person car (AKA every car) is always full. Also space-efficient bikes take up less space then the cars they would need if not cycling when given their own lane, reducing traffic. So your money wasn't completely wasted.
Ultima modifica da RRW359; 15 ago 2022, ore 20:02
Messaggio originale di MinionJoe:
Car owners pay for the roads and supporting infrastructure (traffic lights, etc) through a combination of fuel taxes and property taxes on their vehicles.

Cyclists pay neither fuel tax nor property tax on their bikes yet they have equal access to roads and its supporting infrastructure.

Messaggio originale di 8bitbeard:
I think both motorists and cyclists should agree that better, safer cycling infrastructure is needed everywhere. Safer for all parties involved, both on bikes and in cars.

I agree. My local municipality has been working for years to add bike lanes and appropriate road markings in the area. None of the funding was secured through taxation of bicycle-related products or services.

So, you're welcome cyclists.

Thank you. Although as a cyclist I also own a car, which of course I pay taxes on. I also work a full time job and spend money in the community, which is also taxed. We're not just freeloading off motorist's hard-earned cash... most of us anyway, though I hesitate to call Methhead Bill pedaling down the road on his stolen Walmart kid's bike a "cyclist".
Messaggio originale di RRW359:
In fairness though four people on bikes wears down roads less than a car, and that's assuming every multi-person car (AKA every car) is always full. Also space-efficient bikes take up less space then the cars they would need if not cycling when given their own lane, reducing traffic. So your money wasn't completely wasted.
And that's a very good counter-point. :ghsmile: Honestly, I do like the wide, green shoulders a lot of the roads have now.

There could be something said about the difficulty PD has in ticketing cyclists that violate vehicle laws, since a bike requires neither a license nor insurance though.

But that's a law enforcement issue, and I'm primarily finance focused (since it's my job).

Messaggio originale di 8bitbeard:
...though I hesitate to call Methhead Bill pedaling down the road on his stolen Walmart kid's bike a "cyclist".

Soooo... would it be OK if I nudged Bill off into a ditch sometime then? :ghlol:
Ultima modifica da MinionJoe; 15 ago 2022, ore 20:13
Just don't get into driving roads. It cause stress and unhappiness. It slows people down and it's a burden to look after your safety.
Messaggio originale di MinionJoe:
Soooo... would it be OK if I nudged Bill off into a ditch sometime then? :ghlol:

I wouldn't rat you out.
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