Taylor Swift is a climate action hypocrite ? ?

[Ganger]

Articles have been released this week over taylor swift topping the CO2 emissions list despite her campaigning for climate change over the years. It says she has taken 170 flights and produce over 8,000 tons of CO2 over the past year.

If she wasn't such a hypocrite over climate change this wouldn't even be issue for most people including myself. While at the same time demanding the rest of us cut down on our CO2, she is one of the worlds worst polluters

I guess it's hard too change your lifestyle and way of life once you become rich and famous.

[ZZZZZ]

permanent name の投稿を引用：

I wonder how a lifetime of jet trips compares to one year of gold mining.

Let’s see, 1 ton co2 per ounce. Roughly a million ounces per year per mine. Hmm. Well, the entire metal and mining industry is only responsible for 8% of the global carbon footprint.

Jet travel is 2.1%, and is only responsible for 12% of travel emissions. Cars are responsible for 72%, meaning they are responsible for 12.6% of emissions overall.

So planned obsolescence and inefficient car design is a bigger issue than private jets, but nobody wants to talk about that.

They want to talk about how they don’t have private jets.

still 2% that could get removed vs 2% not removed.. a normal flight in a 200people airplane has less emissions per seat

[permanent name]

If you’re going to just dump everything on a cutting board and try to figure out what the “optimal” thing to cut is then it’s going to be people.

Instances of large scale population reduction massively decrease the effect of scale on every industry, and allows for cost-optimization of basic services rather than needing to feed them through an economy of scale.

If you wanted to cut the carbon footprint by any means then restricting access to food and healthcare is the simplest first step from a Methuselahian perspective. Messing with individual industries comes after you’ve killed everyone you can.

[L9 dorothea]

you claim to hate society, yet you live with it? hah, ive destroyed you once again, liberal.

[{ИЯm} Keith]

HypersleepyNaputunia の投稿を引用：

how muh would u save going back to propellor planes

This is illogical and shows you don't know aircraft.
1. you can burn Jet-A and have a propeller, it's called a turbo-prop and they're common in the aviation world. They also wouldn't save much on fuel use.
2. Piston engine aircraft don't use car gas, they use 100 /110 low lead. (low here is a relative thing, and the name, not an actual endorsement) Burning lead doesn't do good things for our environment.
3. It's all about BTUs of energy, you aren't going to get something for nothing, X amount of fuel = Y amount of thrust. The only variable is efficiency. In aviation efficiency has had a lot of research done, but we are talking things that travel fast, so that's a factor.
4. When you refine fuel, it takes more refining to produce gasoline than diesel / kerosene, and I'd imagine there would be an environmental cost to that. Further more, the worlds refineries are setup to produce only so much of each fuel type, I highly doubt we could switch them to producing 100% Gasoline over night, which would create a massive shortage and a price crisis.

[AdahnGorion]

The real question is, why do people care?

[{ИЯm} Keith]

Darkie の投稿を引用：

The real question is, why do people care?

About the environment? Or T-Swift?
I mean the environment should be obvious. We like being able to breathe and not having thermal runaway to the point the oceans boil.
For T-swift, I don't know, she's go talent, it's not like she's Greta though, so I feel like people expect much. Artists are people too.

[davidb11]

I only care about her music, that's it.
And only a few songs.

Also, calling her an old hag made me laugh a lot.
I mean, I'm older than Taylor Swift, and I'm only 39. :P

Planes don't even put out as much CO2 as any major traffic jam. :P
Also, Volcanoes are still worse than planes.

Climate change works on a very long period of time. Humans can accelerate it, but all climate change fears are greatly exaggerated.

Last estimate that's reasonable is a six foot rise in ocean levels, and that's if all ice above ground on Earth melted.
World won't end, but most of New York City is going to have to be more like Venice. :P

{ИЯm} Keith の投稿を引用：

Darkie の投稿を引用：

The real question is, why do people care?

About the environment? Or T-Swift?
I mean the environment should be obvious. We like being able to breathe and not having thermal runaway to the point the oceans boil.
For T-swift, I don't know, she's go talent, it's not like she's Greta though, so I feel like people expect much. Artists are people too.

Thermal Runaway?
You do know the boiling point of water is 212F, 100C?
Oceans can't boil unless someone dropped the Moon on the Earth. :P
In which case, they will boil hard.

Like, what are you even on about here?
The laws of physics would have to change to boil the oceans. Completely.

[{ИЯm} Keith]

davidb11 の投稿を引用：

I only care about her music, that's it.
And only a few songs.

Also, calling her an old hag made me laugh a lot.
I mean, I'm older than Taylor Swift, and I'm only 39. :P

Planes don't even put out as much CO2 as any major traffic jam. :P
Also, Volcanoes are still worse than planes.

Climate change works on a very long period of time. Humans can accelerate it, but all climate change fears are greatly exaggerated.

Last estimate that's reasonable is a six foot rise in ocean levels, and that's if all ice above ground on Earth melted.
World won't end, but most of New York City is going to have to be more like Venice. :P

{ИЯm} Keith の投稿を引用：

About the environment? Or T-Swift?
I mean the environment should be obvious. We like being able to breathe and not having thermal runaway to the point the oceans boil.
For T-swift, I don't know, she's go talent, it's not like she's Greta though, so I feel like people expect much. Artists are people too.

Thermal Runaway?
You do know the boiling point of water is 212F, 100C?
Oceans can't boil unless someone dropped the Moon on the Earth. :P
In which case, they will boil hard.

Like, what are you even on about here?
The laws of physics would have to change to boil the oceans. Completely.

This:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runaway_greenhouse_effect

It would take a fair bit, don't get me wrong. It's not like we're about to hit it tomorrow or something. But the issue isn't X amount of CO2 = X heat increase. After a threshold it starts running away, and it's really freaken hard to stop at that point.

You're also not understanding Ice Caps. It isn't at all about the quantity of water released. (though that could wreck the environment good) It's the fact that snow / Ice / etc is white (or whiteish) and reflects light back. (literally helping to maintain temp)
You're also forgetting about the species that actually depend on the environment being like it is now. (they'll die off)

I used the term thermal runaway, because that's what happens in NiCad batteries, and it's a small scale example of something similar happening, (in short a tipping point of no return)

The reverse can also happen with cooling FYI, a run away cooling effect can happen.

Either way it's a death sentence for Earth.

Before we get there though we'd have other problems like scuzzy air.

[davidb11]

A runaway greenhouse affect is what happened to Venus.
It's never going to be done on Earth without first detonating a nuke on all the Karst deposits located around the globe.
Fossilized Coral will produce an insane amount of CO2.
More so than anything we can even do right now if we let things run among. Heck, 9 major Karst Deposits are all you need for a Runaway Greenhouse effect.

The ice in the world isn't going to break the temperature issues if it suddenly goes away.

Besides, we're already in a warming period, and it's waning, and has waned for the last 200,000 years. :P
Earth has cold and warm periods.
Always has.

[Pocahawtness]

Darkie の投稿を引用：

... If any of us cared about the enviroment, we would not be playing videogames.

You are right. It is not the politicians that lack will, it is the people. If people were motivated enough the politicians would get the message and they would be doing more than they are. The fact is that we will die, because we won't do enough, because we still think that someone or something will save us without us having to change anything. Unfortunately, with climate change, there is a lead time, and by the time we change our minds and demand action it will be too late.

[davidb11]

The Earth is heading towards a cooling period. Yes, it's a few thousand years away at a minimum, but still.
We won't need to worry about Global Warming breaking the normal cycles the Earth has, and had since 4.4 billion years ago when it was first formed, and literally a giant ball of lava. :P

People vastly over-exaggerate what humanity can ever do to the Earth.

[HypersleepyNaputunia]

idk but the less driving during covid cleared the skies over cities so you could see how polluted things are normally

[davidb11]

HypersleepyNaputunia の投稿を引用：

idk but the less driving during covid cleared the skies over cities so you could see how polluted things are normally

Yeah, pollution sucks.

[SirKnechtalot]

HypersleepyNaputunia の投稿を引用：

idk but the less driving during covid cleared the skies over cities so you could see how polluted things are normally

Still the same drunken Alex Jones gibberish?

[davidb11]

SirKnechtalot の投稿を引用：

HypersleepyNaputunia の投稿を引用：

idk but the less driving during covid cleared the skies over cities so you could see how polluted things are normally

Still the same drunken Alex Jones gibberish?

I don't like Alex Jones either, but he isn't the cause of pollution. :P