Why are so many modern developers obsessed with putting ugly characters in their games?

[76561199223588030]

By ugly; I mean characters that are not pleasing to the eye. Games like horizon zero dawn, mass effect andromeda, last of us 2, various indie titles, etc. All have really ugly and hideous main or supporting characters that physically hurt to look at. They're not gross like horror movie/game monsters. But designed to be off putting in a way. They give me uncanny valley vibes. Like they are supposed to be human, but not actually. They look like malformed or corrupted versions of humanity, like there's something wrong with them, something evil and dangerous.

On the flip side, I dont like anime waifu gacha games either. Something about how flat faced anime characters are, just creeps me out. I dont hate anime. I used to love naruto and dragon ball back in the day. But I grew out of it.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Publicado originalmente por DONT GIVE GABEN MONEY!:

Publicado originalmente por Quint the Alligator Snapper:

Okay kalcuey-freehk's post was silly enough but now you're just questionably doubling-down something that smells like eugenics.

There is nothing wrong with breeding for better stats -as the rpg players would say. Humans do it all the time. We seek out the best possible partner we can to start a family with. We've been doing this for eons and it's led to a general improvement of humanity. Can you imagine what kind of a species we'd be if we bred like chimps or bonobos? They have barely entered the stone age and we're trying to conquer the stars. And we're about 1% apart genetically.

1. That's not genetics works.
2. You're not breeding with the virtual waifus anyway.

Publicado originalmente por DONT GIVE GABEN MONEY!:

Publicado originalmente por Quint the Alligator Snapper:

Somehow I doubt that you can reliably identify inbred people by appearance, without missing any or misidentifying others.

Yes you can. There's something off about them. They have pronounced features. It may not always be the case, but it's a good rule of thumb. Charles the II of Spain, was a well known inbred royal from the house of hapsburg. A house infamous for inbreeding.

Confirmation bias.

Publicado originalmente por DONT GIVE GABEN MONEY!:

Publicado originalmente por <Insert Kazoo Circus Music Here>:

Then I see zero issue here. You can go on your quest for beautiful character models, and others can still enjoy their own games.

I want to buy those games too. But I just cant because of how ugly the characters are. I heard horizon zero dawn is a great game. But I dont want to rely on mods to make it playable. Just looking at the mc makes me gag.

Horizon Zero Dawn?

You telling me she doesn't look nice?

Also thanks for indirectly reminding me that it's on sale on GOG right now.

But yeah, you're not breeding with Aloy anyway. She ain't real, whether or not you find her sexy.

Also, most people can handle looking at ugly things without gagging. Being able to do this seems to be a useful evolutionary trait, actually.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Publicado originalmente por Quint the Alligator Snapper:

Publicado originalmente por DONT GIVE GABEN MONEY!:

There is nothing wrong with breeding for better stats -as the rpg players would say. Humans do it all the time. We seek out the best possible partner we can to start a family with. We've been doing this for eons and it's led to a general improvement of humanity. Can you imagine what kind of a species we'd be if we bred like chimps or bonobos? They have barely entered the stone age and we're trying to conquer the stars. And we're about 1% apart genetically.

1. That's not genetics works.
2. You're not breeding with the virtual waifus anyway.

Publicado originalmente por DONT GIVE GABEN MONEY!:

Yes you can. There's something off about them. They have pronounced features. It may not always be the case, but it's a good rule of thumb. Charles the II of Spain, was a well known inbred royal from the house of hapsburg. A house infamous for inbreeding.

Confirmation bias.

Publicado originalmente por DONT GIVE GABEN MONEY!:

I want to buy those games too. But I just cant because of how ugly the characters are. I heard horizon zero dawn is a great game. But I dont want to rely on mods to make it playable. Just looking at the mc makes me gag.

Horizon Zero Dawn?

You telling me she doesn't look nice?

Also thanks for indirectly reminding me that it's on sale on GOG right now.

But yeah, you're not breeding with Aloy anyway. She ain't real, whether or not you find her sexy.

Also, most people can handle looking at ugly things without gagging. Being able to do this seems to be a useful evolutionary trait, actually.

"Gosh that's an ugly spider, hold up, gotta gag. Nevermind running from it, due to it being venomous enough to kill me."

[76561199223588030]

Publicado originalmente por <Insert Kazoo Circus Music Here>:

Devs have zero need to cater to a small subset of people who demand hyper-realistic character models.

I never asked for hyper realism. Only beauty. And no beauty is not in the eye of the beholder. That's an ancient meme used to justify 'modern art.' I prefer Rembrandt to picasso, any day. And so do the millions of people who'd rather buy reproductions of classical art, than contemporary garbage.

Publicado originalmente por Quint the Alligator Snapper:

[quote=DONT GIVE GABEN

Publicado originalmente por DONT GIVE GABEN MONEY!:

I want to buy those games too. But I just cant because of how ugly the characters are. I heard horizon zero dawn is a great game. But I dont want to rely on mods to make it playable. Just looking at the mc makes me gag.

Horizon Zero Dawn?

You telling me she doesn't look nice?

Also thanks for indirectly reminding me that it's on sale on GOG right now.

But yeah, you're not breeding with Aloy anyway. She ain't real, whether or not you find her sexy.

Also, most people can handle looking at ugly things without gagging. Being able to do this seems to be a useful evolutionary trait, actually.

Yeah. She's really, really ugly. She kinda looks like the main actress from the handmaids tale. Solid 3/10. Never seen the series actually, just glanced at the promo material, before recoiling in revolt.

I have no romantic nor sexual interest in characters; fictional or otherwise. I prefer my characters in the media I consume, to be easy on the eyes. Not offensive!

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Publicado originalmente por DONT GIVE GABEN MONEY!:

Publicado originalmente por <Insert Kazoo Circus Music Here>:

Devs have zero need to cater to a small subset of people who demand hyper-realistic character models.

I never asked for hyper realism. Only beauty. And no beauty is not in the eye of the beholder. That's an ancient meme used to justify 'modern art.' I prefer Rembrandt to picasso, any day. And so do the millions of people who'd rather buy reproductions of classical art, than contemporary garbage.

Actually, people buy prints of a lot of stuff that's not classical. Banksy comes to mind, then there's the infamous Warhol collection.

Beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder, everyone has their own preferences.

I'm sorry but your opinion does not equate to fact. Lots of people found Horizon Zero Dawn gorgeous, for example. You, do not.

That's solid proof right there, that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

However I don't think I'mma sit here, and try to argue semantics with someone that has 0 games, and a username history such as yours. Lol

[76561199223588030]

Publicado originalmente por <Insert Kazoo Circus Music Here>:

Publicado originalmente por DONT GIVE GABEN MONEY!:

I never asked for hyper realism. Only beauty. And no beauty is not in the eye of the beholder. That's an ancient meme used to justify 'modern art.' I prefer Rembrandt to picasso, any day. And so do the millions of people who'd rather buy reproductions of classical art, than contemporary garbage.

Actually, people buy prints of a lot of stuff that's not classical. Banksy comes to mind, then there's the infamous Warhol collection.

Beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder, everyone has their own preferences.

I'm sorry but your opinion does not equate to fact. Lots of people found Horizon Zero Dawn gorgeous, for example. You, do not.

That's solid proof right there, that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

However I don't think I'mma sit here, and try to argue semantics with someone that has 0 games, and a username history such as yours. Lol

No games on this account.

See you have no argument other than to do the reddit thing and snoop on people's personal pages. God I hate the reddit mentality, it's ruined public discourse.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Publicado originalmente por DONT GIVE GABEN MONEY!:

Publicado originalmente por <Insert Kazoo Circus Music Here>:

Actually, people buy prints of a lot of stuff that's not classical. Banksy comes to mind, then there's the infamous Warhol collection.

Beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder, everyone has their own preferences.

I'm sorry but your opinion does not equate to fact. Lots of people found Horizon Zero Dawn gorgeous, for example. You, do not.

That's solid proof right there, that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

However I don't think I'mma sit here, and try to argue semantics with someone that has 0 games, and a username history such as yours. Lol

No games on this account.

See you have no argument other than to do the reddit thing and snoop on people's personal pages. God I hate the reddit mentality, it's ruined public discourse.

Dude, you defaulted to "my word = fact", now you're trying to complain about reddit mentality? Oof.

[[N]ebsun]

Publicado originalmente por DONT GIVE GABEN MONEY!:

characters that are not pleasing to the eye

Which games have characters that you *do* find pleasing to the eye ?

Sometimes it suits the story to have unpleasant looking characters - like horror / scary games should have a hideous monster coming out to get you, rather than a hot beach babe (unless that's part of the story).
I guess it depends on the game, the dev, and the character story / background / needs

[Glimmer]

Publicado originalmente por Nebsun:

Publicado originalmente por DONT GIVE GABEN MONEY!:

characters that are not pleasing to the eye

Which games have characters that you *do* find pleasing to the eye ?

Fingers crossed that it's Dream Daddy

[Judgmental Amaterasu]

Publicado originalmente por DONT GIVE GABEN MONEY!:

Publicado originalmente por <Insert Kazoo Circus Music Here>:

Actually, people buy prints of a lot of stuff that's not classical. Banksy comes to mind, then there's the infamous Warhol collection.

Beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder, everyone has their own preferences.

I'm sorry but your opinion does not equate to fact. Lots of people found Horizon Zero Dawn gorgeous, for example. You, do not.

That's solid proof right there, that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

However I don't think I'mma sit here, and try to argue semantics with someone that has 0 games, and a username history such as yours. Lol

No games on this account.

See you have no argument other than to do the reddit thing and snoop on people's personal pages. God I hate the reddit mentality, it's ruined public discourse.

Declares their opinion as fact. Decries others as "reddit mentality".

How very reddit of you.

[bricmpt]

I recently couldn't play a game because the main character is so off putting. They don't all need to be 10's, but why would I want to spend hours looking at someone repulsive? I am "repulsed". OP has a point.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Publicado originalmente por DONT GIVE GABEN MONEY!:

Publicado originalmente por <Insert Kazoo Circus Music Here>:

Devs have zero need to cater to a small subset of people who demand hyper-realistic character models.

I never asked for hyper realism. Only beauty. And no beauty is not in the eye of the beholder. That's an ancient meme used to justify 'modern art.' I prefer Rembrandt to picasso, any day. And so do the millions of people who'd rather buy reproductions of classical art, than contemporary garbage.

Oh great, now this is a "what is true art" argument.

Like <Insert Kazoo Circus Music Here> already informed you, tons of people pay lots of good money for modern art. Your preferences are not universally shared.

Publicado originalmente por DONT GIVE GABEN MONEY!:

Publicado originalmente por Quint the Alligator Snapper:

Yeah. She's really, really ugly. She kinda looks like the main actress from the handmaids tale. Solid 3/10. Never seen the series actually, just glanced at the promo material, before recoiling in revolt.

I have no romantic nor sexual interest in characters; fictional or otherwise. I prefer my characters in the media I consume, to be easy on the eyes. Not offensive!

Somehow you think that she's unattractive. Which is fine with me, but you'd be a fool to think that the world thinks the same way as you do. I, for one, think she looks great, and I ain't the only person with that opinion.

So yeah, there's absolutely no obligation that you spend money on Horizon Zero Dawn. But the world, including the game industry, does not revolve around your tastes, nor that of any other single individual.

Also, the fact that you're calling her a 3/10 betrays your declaration of lack of romantic or sexual interest. :P

[76561199223588030]

Publicado originalmente por Nebsun:

Publicado originalmente por DONT GIVE GABEN MONEY!:

characters that are not pleasing to the eye

Which games have characters that you *do* find pleasing to the eye ?

Sometimes it suits the story to have unpleasant looking characters - like horror / scary games should have a hideous monster coming out to get you, rather than a hot beach babe (unless that's part of the story).
I guess it depends on the game, the dev, and the character story / background / needs

I can excuse a game with ugly/hideous characters for the sake of the story. Like RE4 with all those monsters. But not when those ugly characters are needlessly added or forcibly changed into by the developers.

Modern movies are not free from this evil. I refuse to watch 90% of modern movies and tv shows, solely because the actors they put into lead roles are either ugly or bland at best. Like how did ezra miller get the role of the flash? I felt like there was something seriously off about him, even before the latest accusations and videos came to light. Same with amy schumer. Unfunny pig faced comedian, who takes out her anger at being ugly, on the rest of the world. Or lena dunham. She's evil. There's a link with physical ugliness and mental ugliness. I find the most normal well adjusted people are usually those who are most naturally good looking.

[76561199223588030]

Publicado originalmente por bricmpt:

I recently couldn't play a game because the main character is so off putting. They don't all need to be 10's, but why would I want to spend hours looking at someone repulsive? I am "repulsed". OP has a point.

What game was it? I tried watching a lets play of horizon zero dawn and couldn't stand it when the mc turned around or was in full frontal view during a cut scene. I had to look away. She physically perturbed me. I know I'm not being shallow. I'd rather be friends with pretty people than ugly people.

@quint
Modern art is just garbage used to launder money. There is no artistic merit in an artist canning his own feces. Or an art student taking pictures of herself in costumes for her MFA thesis. I despise most contemporary artists because they cant paint, draw, sing or do anything that requires harmony and/or skill. I'm envious of those who can play instruments properly, because I cant. I gladly reward the subway musician with a 5 or 10 dollar bill, if I like their music. I dont drop a dime on some rejected soundcloud rapper putting his mixtape in my hand.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Publicado originalmente por DONT GIVE GABEN MONEY!:

There's a link with physical ugliness and mental ugliness. I find the most normal well adjusted people are usually those who are most naturally good looking.

You do know you're digging yourself a deeper hole the more of your...uh, "philosophy" you reveal, right?

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Publicado originalmente por DONT GIVE GABEN MONEY!:

]I know I'm not being shallow. I'd rather be friends with pretty people than ugly people.

But...WHY would they want to be friends with you? What do you offer?