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76561199223588030 2022 年 8 月 5 日 下午 6:39
Why are so many modern developers obsessed with putting ugly characters in their games?
By ugly; I mean characters that are not pleasing to the eye. Games like horizon zero dawn, mass effect andromeda, last of us 2, various indie titles, etc. All have really ugly and hideous main or supporting characters that physically hurt to look at. They're not gross like horror movie/game monsters. But designed to be off putting in a way. They give me uncanny valley vibes. Like they are supposed to be human, but not actually. They look like malformed or corrupted versions of humanity, like there's something wrong with them, something evil and dangerous.

On the flip side, I dont like anime waifu gacha games either. Something about how flat faced anime characters are, just creeps me out. I dont hate anime. I used to love naruto and dragon ball back in the day. But I grew out of it.
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2022 年 8 月 7 日 下午 1:28 
I find it very doubtful this guy actually goes to a gym...
76561199223588030 2022 年 8 月 7 日 下午 1:30 
引用自 davidb11
So, you admit you made this thread to pull an elabotate prank on people?
Because you can't claim the things you have and be serious.
No human being can ever claim those things.
So you must be a Snyth. :P

Also, why lie about Calvin Klein and others?
No one does that.
It's weird.
No advertisement agency like that would ever have ugly people. It's literally impossible to claim that.

No. No prank or trolling intended. I'm legitimately curious as to why so many modern western video games have ugly characters front and center. And not just ugly characters. But ugly worlds and ugly UI too. I hate minimalism and flat design with a passion.

Bro have you seen the latest adverts from clothing and fashion companies? They find the fattest, ugliest most horrible looking to people to promote their products. I'm not gonna buy anything after seeing such gross things.
最后由 WW2 games Enthusiast 编辑于; 2022 年 8 月 7 日 下午 1:35
Irene ❤ 2022 年 8 月 7 日 下午 1:31 
引用自 davidb11
Man, even Cavemen didn't have ugly faces according to our finding some of them intact. :P
Haha.. well life isn't fair I guess. *looking at political leaders* :erune:
davidb11 2022 年 8 月 7 日 下午 1:36 
引用自 davidb11
So, you admit you made this thread to pull an elabotate prank on people?
Because you can't claim the things you have and be serious.
No human being can ever claim those things.
So you must be a Snyth. :P

Also, why lie about Calvin Klein and others?
No one does that.
It's weird.
No advertisement agency like that would ever have ugly people. It's literally impossible to claim that.

No. No prank or trolling intended. I'm legitimately curious as to why so many modern western video games have ugly characters front and center. And not just ugly characters. But ugly worlds and ugly UI too. I hate minimalism and flat design with a passion.

Bro have you seen the latest adverts from clothing and fashion companies? They find the fattest, ugliest most horrible looking to people to promote their products. I'm not gonna buy nothing after seeing such gross things.

Sorry, but you're flat out wrong about everything you've said here.
Period.
I don't know why you would ever double down on your blatant incorrect statements about video games and now advertisements.

Please stop, it only hurts you to keep spreading misinformation.
2022 年 8 月 7 日 下午 1:38 
Only vapid narcissists would have the outlook OP has, tbh.
ZZZZZ 2022 年 8 月 7 日 下午 1:39 
I didnt see a single natural ugly person that was made with the intention of being ugly in any games so far
Crazy Tiger 2022 年 8 月 7 日 下午 1:40 
I know people can be shallow, but OP really takes the cake. Dang.
davidb11 2022 年 8 月 7 日 下午 1:42 
引用自 McGreedy
I didnt see a single natural ugly person that was made with the intention of being ugly in any games so far

That's a good point.
THe OP is just blatantly making false claims against a lot of games.
Morkonan 2022 年 8 月 7 日 下午 1:59 
引用自 Morkonan
-snip-
It's not about hyper real characters. It's about beauty in art and design. Games that go the hyper realistic route, age themselves pretty quickly, Games with great art and design are timeless.

Ah..

Well, I agree that Art Design is very important, especially in games that emphasis their visual presentation.

I... have a near unlimited amount of Suck when it comes to Art Design capability. (Obeying, promoting, and constructing a cohesive visual theme.) Though, I'm OK on near realism or at least "more realistic than popcorn-art..."

Don't underestimate Asset Flipping... It exists.

Again, though, I absolutely agree with you on the importance of having a very good, well-seasoned, Art Director in any major development effort. It's absolutely a necessary position that must be filled to keep everyone on track. Without it... the quality of the game can suffer as a whole just from a few repeated mistakes.

So, putting in artistically themed characters in a realistic environment might be edgy... or so jarring it's too terrible to endure.

Take the example of that pic of headshots that was provided:

引用自 Darkie
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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1889793851

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The overwhelming artistic influence there isn't "ugly." It is, instead, "adolescence" with a bit of "sex ambiguity" in certain characters, though not terribly so ambiguous in this example, that is so very favored by some in their Far Eastern Themed games. (Anime/whatever) So, it seeks to appeal primarily to those that like that style. (The artist has an "upper lip" issue, though. It's not an easy area to judge - The angle is difficult to get right, 'cause reasons.)

So:

Art direction is very important and it needs to be in evidence in all aspects of a suitable game. (IMO and, I think, your own.)

And, not all artistic direction/themes are favored by all gamers. I, for instance, couldn't easily see myself playing the sort of game that pic would imply. I'd just feel it was a bit too silly for me. I've played games with that sort of them, but that's back when they on very limited consoles where everything was just... pixelated, despite the pics on the box. I could stomach such stuff, then.

In essence: I think with pointing out Art Direction, you've pretty much answered your own question - Yes, some games don't have good Art Direction and not all artistic themes are going to be liked by all gamers.
最后由 Morkonan 编辑于; 2022 年 8 月 7 日 下午 2:00
davidb11 2022 年 8 月 7 日 下午 2:02 
I'm not sure where you're getting adolescence from, since every woman in that screenshot is 100% designed to be in their middle 20s at least.
AdahnGorion 2022 年 8 月 7 日 下午 2:09 
引用自 Morkonan

It's not about hyper real characters. It's about beauty in art and design. Games that go the hyper realistic route, age themselves pretty quickly, Games with great art and design are timeless.

Ah..

Well, I agree that Art Design is very important, especially in games that emphasis their visual presentation.

I... have a near unlimited amount of Suck when it comes to Art Design capability. (Obeying, promoting, and constructing a cohesive visual theme.) Though, I'm OK on near realism or at least "more realistic than popcorn-art..."

Don't underestimate Asset Flipping... It exists.

Again, though, I absolutely agree with you on the importance of having a very good, well-seasoned, Art Director in any major development effort. It's absolutely a necessary position that must be filled to keep everyone on track. Without it... the quality of the game can suffer as a whole just from a few repeated mistakes.

So, putting in artistically themed characters in a realistic environment might be edgy... or so jarring it's too terrible to endure.

Take the example of that pic of headshots that was provided:

引用自 Darkie
...

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1889793851

..

The overwhelming artistic influence there isn't "ugly." It is, instead, "adolescence" with a bit of "sex ambiguity" in certain characters, though not terribly so ambiguous in this example, that is so very favored by some in their Far Eastern Themed games. (Anime/whatever) So, it seeks to appeal primarily to those that like that style. (The artist has an "upper lip" issue, though. It's not an easy area to judge - The angle is difficult to get right, 'cause reasons.)

So:

Art direction is very important and it needs to be in evidence in all aspects of a suitable game. (IMO and, I think, your own.)

And, not all artistic direction/themes are favored by all gamers. I, for instance, couldn't easily see myself playing the sort of game that pic would imply. I'd just feel it was a bit too silly for me. I've played games with that sort of them, but that's back when they on very limited consoles where everything was just... pixelated, despite the pics on the box. I could stomach such stuff, then.

In essence: I think with pointing out Art Direction, you've pretty much answered your own question - Yes, some games don't have good Art Direction and not all artistic themes are going to be liked by all gamers.


It is all a matter of subjectivity, but most of those characters look in my opinion, atleast like a young adult (most of them much older)
The screenshot is from the game, the outer worlds

Google it and you will see too much focus on those apperences or a few quest about females being power, enough to take away focus on the actual gameplay... sadly..
People however always have a choice and I respect that, if they don´t like a genre or a style, then it is perfectly fine not to play (or watch for that matter)
Morkonan 2022 年 8 月 7 日 下午 2:14 
引用自 davidb11
I'm not sure where you're getting adolescence from, since every woman in that screenshot is 100% designed to be in their middle 20s at least.

"Women?"

Uh... lol. Sorry, I don't see many faces that are overtly female, there. (I just looked at the pic without reading, sorry.) Certainly, not using generally accepted design characteristics. By that, I mean classic female facial characteristics. Many of these would not be likely natural results or would be among a very small subset of results that many would consider "mannish" in appearance. That's not a bias/gender thing, just a very simple, clearly defined, set of physiological standards that are commonly present in human skulls...

And, if they're intended to all be female... well, that artistic intent is not clearly presented.
76561199223588030 2022 年 8 月 7 日 下午 2:16 
引用自 McGreedy
I didnt see a single natural ugly person that was made with the intention of being ugly in any games so far
IRL Ii'd agree with that. But for games? No way. Mass effect andromeda made the female MC ugly on purpose. Same with the battlefront 2 female MC. Her real life version is far superior to her homely in game model. I just checked out who aloy was modeled on. She's a plain looking women. Not offensively ugly like her in game counterpart.

引用自 Morkonan
SNIP
Bro I just took a better look at your pics. Holy crap. I thought those were all teenage boys for a second. Not one of them looked like a woman. It's not the lack of hair and make up. It's the masculinized facial features. No matter how much they try to mask it. The maleness permeates through the face and skin. I swear I've seen some of these 'women' at my local community college protesting against the local female fitness center's pretty women posters.
最后由 WW2 games Enthusiast 编辑于; 2022 年 8 月 7 日 下午 2:23
davidb11 2022 年 8 月 7 日 下午 2:17 
引用自 Morkonan
引用自 davidb11
I'm not sure where you're getting adolescence from, since every woman in that screenshot is 100% designed to be in their middle 20s at least.

"Women?"

Uh... lol. Sorry, I don't see many faces that are overtly female, there. (I just looked at the pic without reading, sorry.) Certainly, not using generally accepted design characteristics. By that, I mean classic female facial characteristics. Many of these would not be likely natural results or would be among a very small subset of results that many would consider "mannish" in appearance. That's not a bias/gender thing, just a very simple, clearly defined, set of physiological standards that are commonly present in human skulls...

And, if they're intended to all be female... well, that artistic intent is not clearly presented.


Sorry, that doesn't make any sense, Mork.
It's very obvious all those are women, and they all have the distinctive human faces of women.

I'm not sure how you're claiming they don't fit the standard way human skulls are done, when it's very obvious they are 100% human females.
Nor again, do any of them look slightly young.

ALso, since women can sometimes have hair on their face, as part of a bit of an awkward genetic quark, I don't see how facial features in video games have to be about as good as Sophie Lauren back in her prime. :P

It's really evident all those are women and they are artistically designed to be women, and have every female characteristic human women have in their facial features.

最后由 davidb11 编辑于; 2022 年 8 月 7 日 下午 2:19
davidb11 2022 年 8 月 7 日 下午 2:18 
引用自 McGreedy
I didnt see a single natural ugly person that was made with the intention of being ugly in any games so far
IRL Ii'd agree with that. But for games? No way. Mass effect andromeda made the female MC ugly on purpose. Same with the battlefront 2 female MC. Her real life version is far superior to her homely in game model. I just checked out who aloy was modeled on. She's a plain looking women. Not offensively ugly like her in game counterpart.

Why again are you lying so blatantly about video game characters?
It makes no sense.
You can never claim any of those people are ugly, it literally cannot be done by a human being. :P
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