jrpgs are not rpgs

[Millennial_KiwiGamer]

Im tired of pretending jrpgs let you roleplay. They dont.

Games like Baldurs Gate, Morrowwind, Neverwinter Nights even World of Warcraft, are far more suited to the title.

Weebs may get mad, but what ROLEPLAY happems in a Jrpg? Nothing! Theyre more akin to chess but with a story.

[permanent name]

You’re roleplaying an established character.

Persona is a jrpg.

[The nameless Gamer]

Not trying to start a war, but it's just different kind of roleplay. In JRPGs you are playing a preset/predetermined role, rather than one where you play your own character. It's not as flexible, yes, but the player is still assigned a ROLE all the same.

[Millennial_KiwiGamer]

Originally posted by permanent name:

You’re roleplaying an established character.

Persona is a jrpg.

So any Japanese game then is an RPG. ANY game is an RPG by that weak definition because all games with characters put you into their shoes.

[Millennial_KiwiGamer]

Round based combat does not automatically make your game an RPG.

[Millennial_KiwiGamer]

Originally posted by Rupika:

Oh. Someone who doesn't know what RPG means.

Role Play Game

Mario may as well be a Role Play Game if we're using weak definitions. Which is what the usual expectation is from JRPG gamers.

[permanent name]

Originally posted by Lord_Dweedle:

Originally posted by permanent name:

You’re roleplaying an established character.

Persona is a jrpg.

So any Japanese game then is an RPG. ANY game is an RPG by that weak definition because all games with characters put you into their shoes.

Yes, although from a roleplaying perspective I find Isaac slightly weak as there’s limited backstory for me to work with regarding his character, and my roles are largely determined by RNG. Although the same could be said of any dice-based game.

Maybe genres themselves are dumb marketing terms?

[The nameless Gamer]

Originally posted by Lord_Dweedle:

Originally posted by permanent name:

You’re roleplaying an established character.

Persona is a jrpg.

So any Japanese game then is an RPG. ANY game is an RPG by that weak definition because all games with characters put you into their shoes.

No, because the mechanics also define the genre. Experience gain and related skills, equipment slots, inventory management, crafting where it exists... those are some of the traits defining an RPG.

[Millennial_KiwiGamer]

Originally posted by The nameless Commander:

Originally posted by Lord_Dweedle:

So any Japanese game then is an RPG. ANY game is an RPG by that weak definition because all games with characters put you into their shoes.

No, because the mechanics also define the genre. Experience gain and related skills, equipment slots, inventory management, crafting where it exists... those are some of the traits defining an RPG.

By that Definition Resident Evil is an RPG because you manage inventory and can make bullets.

[Chris]

Dont know why some say you play a preset character in jrpgs. I played plenty ones where you can create your own guy or preset unnamed/silent characters like in persona. But i agre they are maybe more casualized and not that deep like a baldurs gate. The witcher isnt a rpg either and many call it that

[Millennial_KiwiGamer]

Originally posted by Rupika:

Originally posted by Lord_Dweedle:

Role Play Game

Mario may as well be a Role Play Game if we're using weak definitions. Which is what the usual expectation is from JRPG gamers.

Nope. Mario isn't a role playing game. Mario has no role he just jumps on heads.

And in Final Fantasy 7 Cloud has no role he just swings his sword at things.

[Dracoco OwO]

Originally posted by The nameless Commander:

Not trying to start a war, but it's just different kind of roleplay. In JRPGs you are playing a preset/predetermined role, rather than one where you play your own character. It's not as flexible, yes, but the player is still assigned a ROLE all the same.

Alternatively you could take FF14 and poof you actually make your character.

[Logan]

Originally posted by permanent name:

You’re roleplaying an established character.

Persona is a jrpg.

Following that definition, literally every single game ever made is an RPG though.

[Millennial_KiwiGamer]

Originally posted by Chris:

Dont know why some say you play a preset character in jrpgs. I played plenty ones where you can create your own guy or preset unnamed/silent characters like in persona

Dont get me wrong im not denying Japan can't make role play experiences either. But I just hate it when people come along and tell me their heavily linear stories with linear no choice character development options are full blown RPG experiences.

[Millennial_KiwiGamer]

Originally posted by Rupika:

A wizard can have a number of roles, damage dealer, healer, ccer. A tank has a role to soak damage and protect wizard from interrupts. See? Those are the roles you are playing. Your job that you do. The specific tasks that make up your playstyle. That is what it means.

Are you able to play an RPG and not be so Meta about it? I can tell you've never touched a RP Book in your life with that comment.

[permanent name]

The Longest Journey: roleplaying game?

Quantic Dream: a roleplaying studio?

Mario Odyssey…???