Did Hawaii really intercept a North Korean (nuclear?) missile?

[Uncanny Moskvich]

A friend from Hawaii told me his family in the military actually intercepted a North Korean nuke and were told to keep hush about it after the Hawaii missile attack amber alert. Whether this is true or not, I do not know. What do you guys think?

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โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Dracoco OwO:

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If you detonated it underwater it would look like a tsunami and/or an earthquake.

Japan did some limited underwater tests just to prove they could build a bomb if they needed to.

They also experimented with underwater reactors on small scales.

They also shuffle enriched uranium between plants as a part of a regular waste disposal and fuel distribution. Y’know so it’s ready when they need it.

Fukushima’s reactor was unusually radioactive when that tsunami hit.

So you are telling me we could just create Tsunami to indirectly attack countries and with no repercussions? *takes notes*

No, but if your secret underwater holding reactor for your enriched material went critical, such as due to damage from a surprise tectonic shift, and knocked over one of your clandestine breeders during an enrichment cycle you could blame natural causes.

Otherwise both the US and Russia explored deep sea nuclear tsunami and there were a lot of tell-tale signs that made it problematic. Mostly, if anyone bothered to inspect the origin point they’d find trace radiation. And you’d have to time it to an earthquake to hide the explosion.

A deep sea installation could fake an earthquake, but you couldn’t really hide a network of such installations for very long due to the construction requirements of putting a foundation into the crust to channel the resonators. Russia explored this one a bit, but it was expensive and impossible to hide so they settled for deep sea supply depots and underwater infrastructure instead.

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โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Dracoco OwO:

I mean how can you not see that explosion though?

If you detonated it underwater it would look like a tsunami and/or an earthquake.

Japan did some limited underwater tests just to prove they could build a bomb if they needed to.

They also experimented with underwater reactors on small scales.

They also shuffle enriched uranium between plants as a part of a regular waste disposal and fuel distribution. Y’know so it’s ready when they need it.

Fukushima’s reactor was unusually radioactive when that tsunami hit.

Why can't a country detonate a nuclear bomb underwater (set up like a claymore to only detonate in one direction), to counter-act the tsunami? Would that not work? Time it right, on the ocean floor, and the shockwaves should cancel out, resulting in...well....I don't think anyone's tested that, specifically.

Controlled demolitions along fault lines might be a way to "ease" out stress from earthquake faults and only cause small earthquakes

Either way, I lived through it (not in Japan), seen the horrifying videos, and wish there was a way to at least minimize the damage for future incidents

Luckily there's no possibility of a 10.0 because the size of an earthquake in terms of magnitude is determined by the length of the tectonic plate, and none of them reach "10"

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โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย d¢:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย permanent name:

If you detonated it underwater it would look like a tsunami and/or an earthquake.

Japan did some limited underwater tests just to prove they could build a bomb if they needed to.

They also experimented with underwater reactors on small scales.

They also shuffle enriched uranium between plants as a part of a regular waste disposal and fuel distribution. Y’know so it’s ready when they need it.

Fukushima’s reactor was unusually radioactive when that tsunami hit.

Why can't a country detonate a nuclear bomb underwater (set up like a claymore to only detonate in one direction), to counter-act the tsunami? Would that not work? Time it right, on the ocean floor, and the shockwaves should cancel out, resulting in...well....I don't think anyone's tested that, specifically.

Controlled demolitions along fault lines might be a way to "ease" out stress from earthquake faults and only cause small earthquakes

Either way, I lived through it (not in Japan), seen the horrifying videos, and wish there was a way to at least minimize the damage for future incidents

Luckily there's no possibility of a 10.0 because the size of an earthquake in terms of magnitude is determined by the length of the tectonic plate, and none of them reach "10"

Force wave would roll back to a midpoint between the origin point and the shaped charge and basically create a gigantic tidal pool, causing either a secondary earthquake which will probably combine with and magnify the first and cause unpredictable levels of resonance if it deflects downwards, or a monsoon if it goes up. It’d also get radiation absolutely everywhere, and if the monsoon happened it would be radioactive.

Either way you’d have severe radioactive winds, as some of the force will always deflect upwards.

Japan explored this concept in the past, some say as an emergency safety measure for their plants.

The medium of the water and pre-existing atmospheric and oceanic currents make the exact composition of the opposing wave impossible to control. So it’d never perfectly counter it.

[Morkonan]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Uncanny Moskvich:

A friend from Hawaii told me his family in the military actually intercepted a North Korean nuke and were told to keep hush about it after the Hawaii missile attack amber alert. Whether this is true or not, I do not know. What do you guys think?

No.

They may be inspired by the false Emergency Warning System issue that happened a few years ago. Somebody... mistakenly pressed the warning button and for a few minutes... everyone in Hawaii was told to bed over and kiss their rear-pockets goodbye.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2022/01/24/nuclear-false-alarms/ (See: Islands in the Storm)

There was no missile interception.

And, to be very frank, the possibility of intercepting any ICBM even with current systems is pretty close to "nil."

IOW - Didn't happen.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย d¢:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย permanent name:

If you detonated it underwater it would look like a tsunami and/or an earthquake.

Japan did some limited underwater tests just to prove they could build a bomb if they needed to.

They also experimented with underwater reactors on small scales.

They also shuffle enriched uranium between plants as a part of a regular waste disposal and fuel distribution. Y’know so it’s ready when they need it.

Fukushima’s reactor was unusually radioactive when that tsunami hit.

Why can't a country detonate a nuclear bomb underwater (set up like a claymore to only detonate in one direction), to counter-act the tsunami? Would that not work? Time it right, on the ocean floor, and the shockwaves should cancel out, resulting in...well....I don't think anyone's tested that, specifically.

Water doesn't compress. (Generally speaking) So, "directing" such a blast encounters an efficiency problem. To counter the displacement/shockwaves, one needs Newton to bring an equal and opposing force, which means an endless stack of nuclear weapons going off, radiating shockwaves in all directions, creating a really great environment for surfing competitions.

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[Morkonan]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย steven1mac:

China has previously stated that if North Korea ever attacked the U.S., it would not intervene in the coming war. This statement more or less will prevent a war initiate by North Korea without a clear casus belli.

China doesn't want two things:

Refugees from DPRK.

A forced disappearing ... of their buffer zone and its conversion to a Western Friendly nation.


They would, however, be absolutely required to rattle some sabres. A "war" without regime change, which would likely be pro-West, is... unlikely, too. So, the second condition wouldn't likely be satisfied.

[Your_White_Knight]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Morkonan:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย d¢:

Why can't a country detonate a nuclear bomb underwater (set up like a claymore to only detonate in one direction), to counter-act the tsunami? Would that not work? Time it right, on the ocean floor, and the shockwaves should cancel out, resulting in...well....I don't think anyone's tested that, specifically.

Water doesn't compress. (Generally speaking) So, "directing" such a blast encounters an efficiency problem. To counter the displacement/shockwaves, one needs Newton to bring an equal and opposing force, which means an endless stack of nuclear weapons going off, radiating shockwaves in all directions, creating a really great environment for surfing competitions.

Funny enough though...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsunami_bomb

[Morkonan]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Your_White_Knight:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Morkonan:

Water doesn't compress. (Generally speaking) So, "directing" such a blast encounters an efficiency problem. To counter the displacement/shockwaves, one needs Newton to bring an equal and opposing force, which means an endless stack of nuclear weapons going off, radiating shockwaves in all directions, creating a really great environment for surfing competitions.

Funny enough though...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsunami_bomb

And...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_depth_bomb

That's for when you know there's an enemy submarine somewhere in the ocean...

Nuclear torps, too, for when you really want to forcefully relocate an entire task force that's accidentally got too close together and don't mind eating a pressure wave to do it.

[Ganger]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Your_White_Knight:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ganger:

So much lies, truths, half-truths and stuff massed in propaganda and BS these days that it's hard to judge any story without seeing all the facts....

Agree... from what I can find it was a false alert and nothing more...

So it was a false then, who even made this story up ? It doesn't make any sense as too why would north korea even fire a missile over any US territories in the first place.

[eram]

LOL

so hush its posted in the off topic forum on steam.

top secret

[swillfly]

Steam mods must be asleep.

Bravo. Good job fellas. Keep up the good work.

[Your_White_Knight]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ganger:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Your_White_Knight:

Agree... from what I can find it was a false alert and nothing more...

So it was a false then, who even made this story up ? It doesn't make any sense as too why would north korea even fire a missile over any US territories in the first place.

As usual there's a shred of truth to every tall tail...

Hawaii had a false alert... just like there's been false tornado alerts... but there wasn't a missile.

And just like Nine Eleven conspiracies the stories has grown more and more extreme over the years...

People love a good "Government Conspiracy" story... if you want a "who" the Internet is full of them.... take your pick.

[davidb11]

Some confusing statements here.

First off, Hawaii never intercepted a nuclear missile.
That was a malfunction of a warning test.
That's it.
The main reason we know it wasn't real is because North Korea is not glowing in the dark right now. :P
And it would be from China, not us.

Secondly, Japan's Fukishima reactor did not have any special enriched radioactive material inside it.
It was a normal reactor. No, I don't know why that's censored, but yeah.

You do not put Enriched Uranium in a Nuclear reactor.
EVER.

I can not stress this enough. Doing so is extreme suicide. You are risking an actual nuclear detonation. That's not even a joke. That is the only way to make a nuclear reactor go off like a nuke.

Also, underwater nuclear power plants? Well, that's interesting, I've never heard of that.

Also, nuclear bomb tests underwater prove you cannot create an actual reliable Tsunami from it.
I think the tests prove you need something more powerful than the Tsar bomba to even produce a scary tidal wave.

By that, I mean, a Tsunami capable of wiping clean most cities from the face of the Earth.

Nuclear bombs are very dangerous, but not for the sake of creating tsunamis.
You also cannot trigger any major earthquake with them.

Remember the plot of Superman 1? Yeah. No. THat's not how nukes work.

You want to set off the San Andreas fault line? You'll need about 200 thousand Tsar Bomba all throughout the entire San Andreas fault line.
And even then, it won't be more than a 9 on the current Earthquake scale.
And detonating that many nukes will do more damage to the planet than the EArthquake. :P

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โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ganger:

So much lies, truths, half-truths and stuff massed in propaganda and BS these days that it's hard to judge any story without seeing all the facts.

All I know, we in the western world are being fed a pack of lies to keep us under control and full of hate (again, hate towards a enemy keeps us under control) and blinds us from what is really happening.

That's how things have worked for centuries. A long time ago, media wasn't a thing. Some people tried to control books, though...