She- Hulk is stronger than Hulk

[Natural Love]

And you know the reason why that’s the case.

[Holografix]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Morkonan:

This? : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leader_(character)#Film

I'm not deep into Hulk lore.

1. Yup, that was supposed to be the film version of The Leader.

2. I would love to know why you don't defer to people with more lore knowledge than you?

[The Commendatore]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Kozen:

Well, women are typically stronger than men so that one doesn't really surprise me.

Care to provide some examples of that. If they're typically stronger, then it shouldn't be too hard to list some.

[Holografix]

Początkowo opublikowane przez The Commendatore:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Kozen:

Well, women are typically stronger than men so that one doesn't really surprise me.

Care to provide some examples of that. If they're typically stronger, then it shouldn't be too hard to list some.

this isn't about She-Hulk is it?

It's about what? Proving what?

what hill are you going to die on in this thread?

[Silverkite]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Protagonist:

And you know the reason why that’s the case.

let me guess, it has something to do about it being a Marvel series, Marvel being owned by literal §room §room schizos, schizos funding mah femi adolf movent whom demands strong and goblyna chars for everything?

[The Presence]

Początkowo opublikowane przez The Commendatore:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Kozen:

Well, women are typically stronger than men so that one doesn't really surprise me.

Care to provide some examples of that. If they're typically stronger, then it shouldn't be too hard to list some.

You actually believe you will get a genuine response to that?

[The Commendatore]

Początkowo opublikowane przez The Presence:

Początkowo opublikowane przez The Commendatore:

Care to provide some examples of that. If they're typically stronger, then it shouldn't be too hard to list some.

You actually believe you will get a genuine response to that?

No...

[L1qu1dator]

Would Hulk smash though?

[The Commendatore]

Początkowo opublikowane przez L1qu1dator:

Would Hulk smash though? :hmm:

He has in the Old Man Logan story.

[Holografix]

She-Hulk smashes all the time.

[Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Kozen:

Well, women are typically stronger than men so that one doesn't really surprise me.

Początkowo opublikowane przez The Commendatore:

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Care to provide some examples of that. If they're typically stronger, then it shouldn't be too hard to list some.

Początkowo opublikowane przez The Presence:

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You actually believe you will get a genuine response to that?

It would just be a cherrypicked conjecture fallacy anyways.

I could come up with a list of examples of stronger women in stories, real life, etc.

You can find examples of almost anything then try to use inductive reasoning to claim that is typical, but evidence needs to be able to stand up in the face of counter-evidence and more importantly... statistics, when trying to apply it to broader demographics with claims such as "typically stronger than {demographic}".

This isn't what fictional entertainment fantasy media needs to portray, though, and I don't understand why anyone would think that what is typical or the averages of society is what should be the focus of any given story - that story would be quite bland, more likely than not.

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There's quite a lot of examples of strong leads (both male and female) in stories, and there's a reason for that.
Characters that are average, or inferior, compared to others, tend to not be preferred nor preferable for creating interesting stories that will actually appeal to big audiences.

These characters should not be considered representative of broader demographics because they simply aren't - they're not caricatures. They might be relatable in some way, and role models in other ways, but each of them are stars of their own settings.

Początkowo opublikowane przez Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Morkonan:

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These are some good points, I think, however, they open the door to 2 significant questions, the first one being philosophical and the second one being critical of the art :

1. Are there ever times when rage is not entirely uncontrollable - and if yes, then just how much self-control can someone manage to gain / regain in that situation?

2. Is the philosophy from the previous question, about gaining self-control, portrayed well by the media where this could be applied as a reasonable explanation for the story or themes depicted?
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Początkowo opublikowane przez Morkonan:

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Początkowo opublikowane przez Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at:

... If the answer to both questions is yes then I don't see why there should be any complaints, however, I suspect that for most critics, the answer to the first question will be yes while the answer to the second question will be no. ...

I'm not quite sure of the exact "complaint" you're talking about. (Honestly)
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Any; as I said. So not any one in particular.

Simply if someone (anyone) has a reasonable explanation and believes that the reason and character were portrayed well, then there's no reasonable negative criticism to be had about the character.
However, if someone (anyone) believes the character does not make sense or is not portrayed well, then clearly there is some sort of negative criticism to be had.
Absent that is where we can can get into negative criticisms that are based in or on some mode of reasoning that actually makes sense.

That might seem obvious but it needed to be pointed out because it's the basic deductive reasoning for my conclusions and / or questions. It also shows that for you personally, where you stand on this subject, in regards to "Hulkness", is most likely determined by whether you answer yes to the first question or not, since you obviously have some criticisms that aren't just praise.

For any third-party reading the topic, this contrasts with earlier comments that other users made, many of which made assertions but had little to no reasoning for those comments other than, "I think so and I'm going to claim it because I can and anyone who disagrees is strawmanning".

Since you mentioned "Hulkness" and "primal rage" as the strength of the character, and your own criticism or complaint is seemingly about "smart Hulk" being too in-control (same with She-Hulk), then addressing whether that control over rage (self-control) is relevant and accurately conveyed gets at whether this is a personal preference or a deeper criticism about what makes for good design and not.

...and if you think that the design isn't good, that's a reasonable place to begin conjecture about why. These are the steps in formal logic that I'm taking to remain constructive and I think it's worth attempting to spell-out even when the deductive reasoning aspects seem like they should be kind of obvioius, because to some readers of the topic this actually won't be obvious. ...as clearly evidenced by the responses that my earlier comments received from another.

[saranacX]

Ben Shapiro is lovin' it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kluMcW0k1sQ

[Holografix]

Początkowo opublikowane przez saranacGator:

Ben Shapiro is lovin' it.

why would you amplify that channel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNHNCx9hcrE

[Mr Jt (Gog is king)]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Holografix:

Początkowo opublikowane przez saranacGator:

Ben Shapiro is lovin' it.

why would you amplify that channel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94sPcb-ij9M

You like him too don’t be ashamed

[Holografix]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Mr Jt (Gog is king):

Początkowo opublikowane przez Holografix:

why would you amplify that channel?

You like him too don’t be ashamed

i don't. he's a liar and an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

[ChaffyExpert]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Holografix:

Początkowo opublikowane przez saranacGator:

Ben Shapiro is lovin' it.

why would you amplify that channel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNHNCx9hcrE

Because not everyone is a far-left communist trying to gaslight us into denying reality.