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Ya that's kinda what i thought.
I personally like winning with strategy and smarts over brute force anyways, but for whatever reason, they decided to make She-hulk the Beserker.
Actually now that i think about it, She-hulk in this will probably be both smarter and stronger than Hulk, cuz "muh feminism."
It's not a strawman.
Words have meanings, very specific meanings,
especially when strung together into sentences.
In this quote below, these are your words are they not? :
...which you conveniently left out when falsely calling my response a strawman.
You literally said that while women can be stronger than men, men are stronger on average.
THEN you said that making a female character stronger was propaganda.
Not that it MIGHT be - but that it definitely was :
ie. that no matter the circumstance, if she's stronger, then it's propaganda.
These 2 statements taken together reasonably mean that you'd rather have a female character that is average rather than exceptional.
Now, there's not a lot of things someone could be classified as, there's exceptional (better than average), & average, & inferior (less than average).
So, if you didn't mean that she should be average due to the state of her being exceptional or superior only being able to be propaganda, then the only remaining option for what you meant is that she must be inferior - only then will you will the content and not see it as propaganda.
Stronger would imply that there actually is a difference but it also doesn't amount to necessarily stating anything about the sexes by itself.
Are you not capable of realizing that it's possible for an individual character to exist without that individual character being a statement about a broader demographic?
I'm actually not saying that your claims about political narratives are wrong - what I'm saying is that your own statements do not make a convincing argument of this and previously appeared to mean that you'd rather media with average characters but I suppose that perspective was too generous because you say I was wrong about that - and rudely accuse me of intentionally strawmanning you.
Well, if she's not acceptable to you as a superior or average character then that only leaves 1 option that meets your expectations of what a woman should be...
Even the ham fisted ham bloated ham marketed for hams Avengers franchise was miles better than what D.C. tried to push. Remember batman vs superman live action? Yeah me neither!!!
Batman aside (seems to be the black sheep of the live action franchise) most live action D.C. (including some CW versions like the flash or smallville) seem to be sub par from what we get cartoon and comic book wise sadly.
"rudely accuse" no, it's a fact. These are superheroes, IE average people that get stronger. If they both get an equal amount of extra strength, the male should be stronger or equal (who knows if the super strength would make the biological differences negligible), due to how men are on average stronger. There is no reason, if both She-hulk and Hulk have the same powers, for She-hulk to be stronger. Thus, the reason for it, is for propaganda purposes.
You are confused, because i cam comparing the female and male of what is essentially the same character, i mean, aside from the comics as i've heard, where She-hulk stands out as a seperate character, She-hulk is just the "For women" version of Hulk.
You are making making it out that i'm talking about ALL superheroes simultaneously. IE, i would expect She-hulk to have more strength than other male superheroes like Spider man, because unlike the comparison of She-hulk and Hulk where they are essentially two sides of the same coin, Spider man's powers aren't really focused on strength, it's more about agility, in which case, while females would probably be more agile than males, in this case, since Hulk is a strength-specialized hero and kinda tanky, i would absolute believe She-hulk being stronger than spider man but less agile (opposite of what you would expect from a gender standpoint) because they have different powers.
Now, from what I've heard, Hulk and She-hulk are supposed to have the same powers, except for in the comics from what I've heard (never read, so i'm taking people's word for it.) where the powers are modified to make She-hulk a stand-alone character, and not just "hulk, with bewbs".
If there was no "Hulk" and it was only She-hulk, then being stronger than all of the male superheroes would make perfect sense as the powers are strength focused.
Just because you say something it doesn't mean that it's true.
People know how to read your other post where you said, "men are stronger on average. Making a women version of a superhero stronger is what [Traror] calls ... propaganda".
The only one doing any gaslighting in regards to this topic is you; you are gaslighting people with false claims of false claims (how meta) which denies the existence of conventional logic.
There's only 3 ways to divide comparison operations up :
• Greater than,
• Equal,
• Less than
Which equal is actually a bit less than equal if we substitute it with "Average Woman", however, you apparently take issue even with her being average since you claim :
• According to you, it's propaganda if an individual female character is stronger than a similar male character and can only be propaganda.
• According to you it's a strawman to conclude that you want a story with an average character instead.
• Therefore : _____________________________.
I didn't lie at all, you were strawmanning my argument to say i said X thing by purposefully misrepresenting it.
You're just spitting out ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ now, completely missing that we are talking about HULK and SHE HULK, not ALL SUPERHEROES. IE the hulks have the same powers, thus should be the about the same in strength, there is no reason for She-hulk to be stronger.
I don't see how it's not a strawman, to say i want "average characters" because i see no reason for females with the same powers to, for whatever reason, be stronger than males when it makes absolutely no sense. I said "men are stronger than women on average" you saw average, and just ignored everything else it seems.
You brought that seemingly irrelevant point up by yourself.
Thats false (and another strawman) literally nobody is saying women should always be weaker than men. Nobody.
I didn't say that anyone was saying that.
It's an observation that women CAN be stronger than men, so therefore the only thing that a female character being stronger than a similar male character should mean... is that she's stronger. That's literally all there is to it unless you can build a stronger argument from other elements of the plot. The fact that she might be stronger, by itself, does not mean anything more than she's apparently stronger.
That's what the topic is about.
The OP literally suggests we should conclude something on that basis.
Because otherwise what you said makes no sense, She-hulk absolutely be stronger than males with different powers, the whole point of hulk is being over-specialized in the "strength" category or the "smarts" category depending on form.
So there is absolutely no reason, for She-hulk to be stronger than hulk considering they have the same powers and men are generally stronger, and you are saying, because i said men are stronger on average, that i'm saying i only want "average" superheroes? Like, i don't understand your logic, it doesn't make any sense. Why else would she-hulk be stronger, if not for political propaganda, than Hulk? Why does pointing out propaganda mean i want "only average superheroes".
Answer: i don't, you are trying to gaslight and straw man my argument, and no, i don't think for a second you are arguing in good faith given your other posts, and the fact that pointing out you are saying i said things i never said, is according to you, "a lie".
...but let's apply this same reasoning to all comic books, & video games, & forms of fictional media of all kind :
There's absolutely no reason for all comic books, & video games, & forms of fictional media of all kind to exist. You know... except maybe for the fact that it's entertaining to someone.
I don't know, though, I guess entertainment isn't a reason. If I use conventional logic and take your statement literally then there's absolutely no reason, therefore, entertainment can not be a reason.
You literally said "Women aren't always stronger than men (nor are they always weaker despite what is falsely asserted as unquestionable fact by people who say that women MUST be supported by men because they're supposedly so fragile that they'll break if you even look at them wrong) but they CAN be stronger."
"The fact that she might be stronger, by itself, does not mean anything more than she's apparently stronger. "
If we lived in a vacuum, maybe, but there is no reason for She-hulk to be stronger, and we don't live in a politics-less vacuum. In addition, we are talking about the same character basically, one male, one female, not two different characters. If it was She-hulk compared to Spiderman, She-hulk being stronger is fine, makes perfect sense, but since She-hulk and Hulk have the same powers, there is no reason for She-hulk to be stronger.
Also, you are assuming that She-Hulk being stronger just means she is stronger, which, seems naive, and a pointless assumption.
Since there is no reason in terms of the fictional universe as to why She-hulk is stronger, then the only logical conclusion is it's left-wing propaganda.
"you said no reason so i'm going to go off on a tangant about what reason there is to life, the universe, and everything"
You do realize that cherry-picking words and being anal about what specific words someone uses is pointless and has nothing to do with the argument right? You also realize that people can only suspend their disbelief so much right?
Sure, you could say there is no reason to anything so what's the point of life at all, so might as well do whatever you want when storytelling, but i'm still not going to buy that the Human race under attack by aliens somehow manages to figure out time travel. There is no logic to it, thus, i am taken out of the immersive experience.
When She-hulk is stronger than hulk, with absolutely no reason, i stop thinking in terms of the story, and start thinking in terms of real life as the immersion is broken. All of which is from their own doing. Even if they had some half-assed explanation, i would go "this seems fishy" but overall ignore it.
As i said, an individual female can be stronger than one individual male, She-hulk being stronger than Spiderman, or a woman that seems athletic being stronger than a nerdy male. There is reason as to why one is stronger. When there is no reason, or logic, then it breaks immersion, because while this is fantasy, it still has to be rooted in some sort of logic for us to follow along as the audience.
Since there is no reason for it, and that is detrimental to the story, nor is there any reason for them to make She-hulk stronger anyways instead of equals, the only other logical conclusion is it's left-wing propaganda.
It also goes both ways, if there was spiderwoman (wait, is there? i don't read comics, that's for NERDS) and the spiderman was more agile and feminine, without any reason, i would be suspicious.