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Vault Hunter 101 2022 年 8 月 16 日 下午 5:05
Would you use the preffered pronouns
Imagine you meet a person and you see a massive "My pronouns are xe/xim/xir" pin on them. Would you call them xe/xim/xir or would you use "traditional" he/she pronouns when talking with them? If yes/no please say why
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krag hag 2022 年 8 月 19 日 下午 2:00 
引用自 Traror
"assigned at birth"

Nobody is assigned anything at birth, except a birithday. There isn't a Doctor going "slap a ♥♥♥♥ on this one, we need to fill the quota on males for the month."
Huh??? They definitely determine your sex at birth
videomike_Ultimate_Plushie 2022 年 8 月 19 日 下午 2:04 
引用自 peppermint hollows

Whats funny about being threatened to be kicked out of group of friends by a single admin who told me I'm a lesser person incapable of understanding because I'm not the right body?

If it bothers you enough, or it bothers them enough, then it's clear both you and the other people are better off not maintaining your friendships anyway. And if it's a single person in that group, and not the others, then if they're true friends, they would probably continue to talk to you through other means or even form a new group.

So no, I don't really see it as big of a deal as you make it out to be.

Well the admin wasn't my friend, the admin was an admin and this was the place me and friends congregated at. So my ability to maintain friendship was at risk. Even if it wasn't, what's funny about an admin telling me that I'm incapable of understanding and have no right to do anything but say what I'm told to say because I'm a wrongskin? What's the funny here? These same people said the same about pronouns, if you're wondering.
peppermint hollows 2022 年 8 月 19 日 下午 2:09 
引用自 peppermint hollows

If it bothers you enough, or it bothers them enough, then it's clear both you and the other people are better off not maintaining your friendships anyway. And if it's a single person in that group, and not the others, then if they're true friends, they would probably continue to talk to you through other means or even form a new group.

So no, I don't really see it as big of a deal as you make it out to be.

Well the admin wasn't my friend, the admin was an admin and this was the place me and friends congregated at. So my ability to maintain friendship was at risk. Even if it wasn't, what's funny about an admin telling me that I'm incapable of understanding and have no right to do anything but say what I'm told to say because I'm a wrongskin? What's the funny here? These same people said the same about pronouns, if you're wondering.

If it's just the admin, then it sounds more like they did you a favour, now that you no longer have to put up with them. Are you talking about a discord server or something? Because you can always, you know...make your own, moderate it as you see fit. If it's a private space like that, unfortunately, whether or not you agree with it, people ARE allowed to moderate and ban as they see fit, even if in reality it's over something you consider really ridiculous.
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videomike_Ultimate_Plushie 2022 年 8 月 19 日 下午 2:12 
引用自 peppermint hollows

Well the admin wasn't my friend, the admin was an admin and this was the place me and friends congregated at. So my ability to maintain friendship was at risk. Even if it wasn't, what's funny about an admin telling me that I'm incapable of understanding and have no right to do anything but say what I'm told to say because I'm a wrongskin? What's the funny here? These same people said the same about pronouns, if you're wondering.

If it's just the admin, then it sounds more like they did you a favour, now that you no longer have to put up with them. Are you talking about a discord server or something? Because you can always, you know...make your own, moderate it as you see fit. If it's a private space like that, unfortunately, whether or not you agree with it, people ARE allowed to moderate and ban as they see fit, even if in reality it's over something you consider really ridiculous.

Again, what's funny about being told I am a wrongskin and thus I have no right to speak of an issue, anything I do say is hate speech, and that I will be isolated from my friends if I don't say what the rightskins tell me to say. Maybe it's important in my life maybe not, it's not for you to decide, but you laughed your ass off at the concept. Why? what's funny about that?
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Perquisitore 2022 年 8 月 19 日 下午 2:14 
PTSD discord ban.
peppermint hollows 2022 年 8 月 19 日 下午 2:15 
引用自 peppermint hollows

If it's just the admin, then it sounds more like they did you a favour, now that you no longer have to put up with them. Are you talking about a discord server or something? Because you can always, you know...make your own, moderate it as you see fit. If it's a private space like that, unfortunately, whether or not you agree with it, people ARE allowed to moderate and ban as they see fit, even if in reality it's over something you consider really ridiculous.

Again, what's funny about being told I am a wrongskin and thus I have no right to speak of an issue, anything I do say is hate speech, and that I will be isolated from my friends if I don't say what the rightskins tell me to say. Maybe it's important in my life maybe not, it's not for you to decide, but you laughed your ass off at the concept. Why? what's funny about that?

First of all, it's an absurd thing for someone to say to another person, so if that person said that to me, I would probably just laugh it off, and leave on my own if they didn't ban me. That isn't worth my time. Of course, I am not you, and I am aware everyone reacts to things differently.

But I didn't laugh at that to begin with, because you never said they said all those things in your initial post, you only said that you were threatened with being banned. And no offense, but without any of that context, whining about being threatened with a ban like that is pretty funny in a sad kind of way.
76561198278961361 2022 年 8 月 19 日 下午 2:22 
引用自 Traror
damn, if being told "you're trans" has that effect, imagine how much of an effect there is in being constantly referred to by your assigned sex at birth and shamed into falling into strict societal standards based on it by everyone around you for years, if not decades
"assigned at birth"

Nobody is assigned anything at birth, except a birithday. There isn't a Doctor going "slap a ♥♥♥♥ on this one, we need to fill the quota on males for the month."
i say "assigned sex at birth" because as it turns out sex is more complex than the simple binary we're used to, with many aspects that could be considered "biological sex" not lining up with each other
doctors don't test for each and every possible thing, they usually just look at the genitals because that's what seems to work in most cases

in this sense, yes, you are quite literally assigned a sex at birth

This is a great example though of how trans people try to bring society and "the world" as an evil entity controlling everything, to something that is biological and has nothing to do with society.

"strict societal standards" heres a fun fact about life. Nobody gives a ♥♥♥♥ about you or what you do. It's schools that are strict, which your side supports, it's either strict anti-trans, or strictly left-wing.
no, not really
i don't think that "the world is evil", that there's some entity controlling everything; on the contrary, these problems are not the fault of any specific person, but rather the result of countless generations of social development not caused by any individual but constantly evolving from the interactions of every person on earth

and, no, people do give a ♥♥♥♥ about you and what you do; especially old conservatives who think that the world should be one way because their holy book said so, even at the expense of all the individuals who don't fit into their worldview, such as lgbt people
Zero, Dark Knight 2022 年 8 月 19 日 下午 2:34 
Who are you referring to, who hates you? Who stops you living? Which old people, Which book?

I'm pretty sure Western governments and world powers enshrine LGBTQIA rights and ensure their protection (to the best of their ability without trampling on the freedoms of everyone..)
and that many countries nowadays don't have a problem with LGBTQIA stuff?



and, no, people do give a ♥♥♥♥ about you and what you do; especially old conservatives who think that the world should be one way because their holy book said so, even at the expense of all the individuals who don't fit into their worldview, such as lgbt people
引用自 peppermint hollows
引用自 Traror
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Are you... trying to say people are being socially pressured into being gay? Lol.
I mean, why do you even need to ask that question?
This is a common & well-known strawman against homosexuality and transgenders, and now teachers too, who get accused of it regardless of whether they're doing it or not, whether they coach male cheerleaders or simply teach a Calculus class.

It does actually happen sometimes but not "all the time in every school" like many dogmatic people making baseless claims uhhh.... claim, more specifically, falsely claim. :seewhatyoudid:
peppermint hollows 2022 年 8 月 19 日 下午 2:47 
引用自 peppermint hollows
Are you... trying to say people are being socially pressured into being gay? Lol.
I mean, why do you even need to ask that question?

I just like to have it on record. You know, it's almost like some people are aware what they're saying is wrong...so they don't want to outright say it...hmm...
Plaid 2022 年 8 月 19 日 下午 2:50 
I'd like to call people whatever they want to be called, but when they start acting like douchebags I gotta calls it.
videomike_Ultimate_Plushie 2022 年 8 月 19 日 下午 2:52 
I advise against bringing up schools in this. Indoctrination of children is not a topic you wanna start, and neither do I. I -heavily- advise not continuing with this, and frankly outright deleting the post to avoid the tangent. Maybe too late maybe not but I'm not quoting it to give the option.

Also, people this is about pronouns, the English language, one's sexuality and children have nothing to do with any of the subject. And no, children do not have the development to make that call. We can't even read basic mental disabilities until 5-6 years old, let alone complex as complex as clinic dysphoria or abuse-caused dysphoria. It is a VERY bad idea to bring these up
videomike_Ultimate_Plushie 2022 年 8 月 19 日 下午 2:54 
引用自 Plaid
I'd like to call people whatever they want to be called, but when they start acting like douchebags I gotta calls it.

Sir we tie ourselves deeply to noblese oblogie and the malicious slandering of the upper class. My identity is not defined by a state of self and instead the royal "we" I am to be called Sir/your eminence and n understand we struggle to remember our status as part of the greater whole when we call ourselves the improper pronoun of I.
Plaid 2022 年 8 月 19 日 下午 2:59 
引用自 Plaid
I'd like to call people whatever they want to be called, but when they start acting like douchebags I gotta calls it.

Sir we tie ourselves deeply to noblese oblogie and the malicious slandering of the upper class. My identity is not defined by a state of self and instead the royal "we" I am to be called Sir/your eminence and n understand we struggle to remember our status as part of the greater whole when we call ourselves the improper pronoun of I.
I'm not exactly sure what you're saying but it reeks of douchebaggery
videomike_Ultimate_Plushie 2022 年 8 月 19 日 下午 3:16 
引用自 Plaid

Sir we tie ourselves deeply to noblese oblogie and the malicious slandering of the upper class. My identity is not defined by a state of self and instead the royal "we" I am to be called Sir/your eminence and n understand we struggle to remember our status as part of the greater whole when we call ourselves the improper pronoun of I.
I'm not exactly sure what you're saying but it reeks of douchebaggery

We accept and understand your lack of knowledge how we identity. But you said you were accept any title we and others gave ourselves. So will you regard our identity with empathy and compassion?
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