Vault Hunter 101 2022 年 8 月 16 日 下午 5:05
Would you use the preffered pronouns
Imagine you meet a person and you see a massive "My pronouns are xe/xim/xir" pin on them. Would you call them xe/xim/xir or would you use "traditional" he/she pronouns when talking with them? If yes/no please say why
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ChaffyExpert 2022 年 8 月 17 日 下午 6:55 
"You" is neither singular or plural, it's second person.

That depends on context. If you are speaking to people, it can be singular or plural, if you are playing DnD and saying "You blah blah blah" that is second person narration. Saying something like "You, go do (insert action)" isn't narration of events, it's a command.
Your_White_Knight 2022 年 8 月 17 日 下午 7:00 
引用自 Traror
引用自 Your_White_Knight

No.. "You" is still singular... "guys" would be plural... but "you" would be shortened for "You there" indicating location of the "guys" not their number.

And "You" would be still singular... otherwise it would be "boxes" not "A" ( this ) box... and if you are talking to a GROUP of people as "you" then you are doing it wrong.

Butchering the language doesn't make it right to butcher it further...

Multiple words can be plural, and in any case "You" can be plural or singular.

"all of you" for example, is clearly talking about multiple people, not the entirety of one person as composed to "75% of you"

No.

Again.. just butchering the language doesn't mean it's correct. "You" is always singular.

"ALL of you" still would be "ALL" being the plural... "you" being a direction those "ALL" are in.

And "75%" is the amount of people in the location of "You".. instead of pointing out each 1% of "You".

But this is just more ways the language has been degraded that people don't understand the meaning of words... slang, euphemisms, cropping, shorting, etc... is wrong even if it's used it's used incorrectly...

That too doesn't mean since some use it wrong EVERYONE must use the words wrong...
xk 2022 年 8 月 17 日 下午 7:04 
In all likelihood I would play it safe and use they/them when they're around but use pronouns of whatever they present as behind their back. I think pronoun stuff like that is silly but I'll try to avoid a confrontation without directly provoking them.
ChaffyExpert 2022 年 8 月 17 日 下午 7:13 
引用自 Your_White_Knight
引用自 Traror

Multiple words can be plural, and in any case "You" can be plural or singular.

"all of you" for example, is clearly talking about multiple people, not the entirety of one person as composed to "75% of you"

No.

Again.. just butchering the language doesn't mean it's correct. "You" is always singular.

"ALL of you" still would be "ALL" being the plural... "you" being a direction those "ALL" are in.

And "75%" is the amount of people in the location of "You".. instead of pointing out each 1% of "You".

But this is just more ways the language has been degraded that people don't understand the meaning of words... slang, euphemisms, cropping, shorting, etc... is wrong even if it's used it's used incorrectly...

That too doesn't mean since some use it wrong EVERYONE must use the words wrong...

It is plural and singular, ALL and you can be plural.
To use DnD, Let's say the HM says "you walk into a dungeon and blah blah blah" You can be talking to one individual, or the group as a whole, in which case it is plural.
Your_White_Knight 2022 年 8 月 17 日 下午 7:23 
引用自 Traror
引用自 Your_White_Knight

No.

Again.. just butchering the language doesn't mean it's correct. "You" is always singular.

"ALL of you" still would be "ALL" being the plural... "you" being a direction those "ALL" are in.

And "75%" is the amount of people in the location of "You".. instead of pointing out each 1% of "You".

But this is just more ways the language has been degraded that people don't understand the meaning of words... slang, euphemisms, cropping, shorting, etc... is wrong even if it's used it's used incorrectly...

That too doesn't mean since some use it wrong EVERYONE must use the words wrong...

It is plural and singular, ALL and you can be plural.
To use DnD, Let's say the HM says "you walk into a dungeon and blah blah blah" You can be talking to one individual, or the group as a whole, in which case it is plural.

So what ~you~ are saying is "All of all"? or "75% of 75%" or "you of you"?... that's double talk if "all of you" is "you of you"

When a Dungeon master says "you" he's saying ~ to you ~ "You"... he wouldn't say ( as an example ) "John and Bill and Sara and Robert and Sam and..." he's directing it to YOU singular rather then EACH PERSON INDIVIDUALLY... because he ~shortened~ "you ALL" to just "you".

Like I said... misusing and not using "all" but only using the last part still doesn't make it "plural"

Now I'm done trying to explain it to ~you~... ~you're~ obviously not understanding how English works.

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最後修改者:Your_White_Knight; 2022 年 8 月 17 日 下午 7:27
ChaffyExpert 2022 年 8 月 17 日 下午 7:47 
引用自 Your_White_Knight
引用自 Traror

It is plural and singular, ALL and you can be plural.
To use DnD, Let's say the HM says "you walk into a dungeon and blah blah blah" You can be talking to one individual, or the group as a whole, in which case it is plural.

So what ~you~ are saying is "All of all"? or "75% of 75%" or "you of you"?... that's double talk if "all of you" is "you of you"

When a Dungeon master says "you" he's saying ~ to you ~ "You"... he wouldn't say ( as an example ) "John and Bill and Sara and Robert and Sam and..." he's directing it to YOU singular rather then EACH PERSON INDIVIDUALLY... because he ~shortened~ "you ALL" to just "you".

Like I said... misusing and not using "all" but only using the last part still doesn't make it "plural"

Now I'm done trying to explain it to ~you~... ~you're~ obviously not understanding how English works.

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No, "all of you" All and you is plural, with all giving context to whether you is plural or singular.

It's addressing MULTIPLE PEOPLE. AS IN, it's PLURAL. If it was singular, it would only be referencing one person, but you just admitted you can be used instead of saying "John Bill Sara Robert and Sam.

ALL in "you all" is just specifying that the "you" in question is plural not singular, but you can remove the all, because you can be plural or singular, referring to a group or an individual.
76561198278961361 2022 年 8 月 17 日 下午 8:08 
引用自 Traror
引用自 brisket <3

"dressing up as a woman when you're a man" isn't being trans
it's closer to a femboy, but even then it's still being a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ idiot to be so pissed off at their existence that you actively do things you presume are harmful to them

and no, nobody's "recruiting people" into being trans, nor is transness something you're "gaslit" into
as an actual trans person you have no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ clue what you're talking about, despite having had many, many chances to educate yourself

Actually you are the one that needs education, instead of just being a feedback loop for the LGBTQ propaganda.

People obviously are being recruited, there's so much evidence of that, plus the fact it's extremely regional. Iv'e noticed you people do this often, whenever points are brought up about scummy trans recruitment and propaganda, you circle back to dismissal by saying "you don't know what you are talking about" gatekeeping the argument to only people that agree with you.

You know what's that is called? an echo chamber. You people are so fragile it's no wonder you want to ban anti--LGBTQ speech.
i spent quite a while looking into what it means to be trans, i am literally a trans woman myself
and the biggest piece of "evidence" of transness being a "recruitment" thing is about as good a proof of it as it would be to deem left-handedness a matter of "social contagion"

引用自 Your_White_Knight
引用自 brisket <3

didn't singular "you" start becoming more widespread after singular they?

What?

You is singular...
They is plural...

And "You" was always singular... it is always singular... it will be always singular....

And "They" was always plural... it is always plural... it will be always plural....

No matter what some might want it to pretend it to be...

If you and others refuse reality... that doesn't mean reality no longer exists.
"you" used to be plural, while "thou" was the singular form of the word
"you" quite literally used to be exclusively plural
最後修改者:brisket <3 (she/her); 2022 年 8 月 17 日 下午 8:08
videomike_Ultimate_Plushie 2022 年 8 月 17 日 下午 8:21 
Indeed I mentioned it earlier. "you" was where "They" is now.
Adversary 2022 年 8 月 17 日 下午 8:22 
引用自 Vault Hunter 101
Imagine you meet a person and you see a massive "My pronouns are xe/xim/xir" pin on them. Would you call them xe/xim/xir or would you use "traditional" he/she pronouns when talking with them? If yes/no please say why
…I've met one person who pulled that sort of ♥♥♥♥ with me and I actively go out of my way to ignore her. Because making those sorts of demands isn't a request for equality, but a demand for special treatment.

Someone wants equal rights? I'm going to treat them like how I treat everyone else then. Most sane or rational people and even most insane or irrational people don't make these kinds of demands. I'm not going to give someone special treatment solely because they've got some whim that needs sating or some desire to control the conversation.

Plus there's a correlation between people who make said demands in the first place with being absolutely toxic individuals to have any sort of correspondence with. And I'm using that word, "toxic" unironically here. Controlling, manipulative, conniving wretches whose sole joy in life is imposing their will upon everyone and everything then immediately playing the part of the victim the minute anyone calls them out on their ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Useful idiots, but idiots nonetheless due to not realizing that the reason why they're permitted to get away with being massive entitled ♥♥♥♥♥ to everyone around them is because it's convenient to certain groups who see them as naught more than a cudgel to use on those who espouse dissent and show discontent with the status quo. These people are sick and need help, not enabling.
ChaffyExpert 2022 年 8 月 17 日 下午 8:25 
引用自 brisket <3
引用自 Traror

Actually you are the one that needs education, instead of just being a feedback loop for the LGBTQ propaganda.

People obviously are being recruited, there's so much evidence of that, plus the fact it's extremely regional. Iv'e noticed you people do this often, whenever points are brought up about scummy trans recruitment and propaganda, you circle back to dismissal by saying "you don't know what you are talking about" gatekeeping the argument to only people that agree with you.

You know what's that is called? an echo chamber. You people are so fragile it's no wonder you want to ban anti--LGBTQ speech.
i spent quite a while looking into what it means to be trans, i am literally a trans woman myself
and the biggest piece of "evidence" of transness being a "recruitment" thing is about as good a proof of it as it would be to deem left-handedness a matter of "social contagion"

Good for you, want a cookie with your name on it? If anything, being trans yourself, means your opinion is extremely biased and not to be trusted, as it will be skewed in a pro-LGBTQ+ direction regardless of facts.
引用自 Your_White_Knight
... "You" is always singular. ...
Yes, but also no.

This game begs to differ :
https://store.steampowered.com/app/736260/Baba_Is_You/
...what's even better is that it operates on consistent logic.

"YOU" can be as many things as someone decides to include in "YOU", just like "ALL", and "everyone" which don't usually mean "the entirety of reality" or "everyone to ever exist".

What's unique about the word "YOU", though, is that it refers to a singular entity, however, that entity may be composed of multiple individuals who are operating in coordination with each other; in the strictest-sense, we're talking a hivemind but in a much looser sense, we're talking about a team that might operate under a singular online account or company or guild name.

(A real-world example might be something like an FBI sting-operation account. "Who are you Sherry?", Sherry: "I'm just a cute girl who is 16 and is home alone and ready to have some fun", and you might think that Sherry means she is 16 years old, but in reality, Sherry is a single account being operated by a team of 16 FBI agents. You can also tell that she is not a real teenage girl because she used capitalization and no emojis. :steammocking: )

This really isn't any different from how other pronouns such as "they" operates, though since at it's core, it's just a linguistic memory pointer[en.wikipedia.org].



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76561198278961361 2022 年 8 月 17 日 下午 8:42 
引用自 Traror
引用自 brisket <3
i spent quite a while looking into what it means to be trans, i am literally a trans woman myself
and the biggest piece of "evidence" of transness being a "recruitment" thing is about as good a proof of it as it would be to deem left-handedness a matter of "social contagion"

Good for you, want a cookie with your name on it? If anything, being trans yourself, means your opinion is extremely biased and not to be trusted, as it will be skewed in a pro-LGBTQ+ direction regardless of facts.
or on the contrary, maybe it means i literally experienced firsthand all the things i had to overcome to even consider the possibility that i could be trans even in the face of pretty obvious signs

maybe it means that i know my ♥♥♥♥, that i'm not talking out of my ass, which i know for a fact you're doing
nullpo 2022 年 8 月 17 日 下午 8:49 
I would say alright and just avoid conversing with such person.
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You didn't say "learn how to pronounce", in the part that I responded to; you said, "have a hard time pronouncing" - there's a difference.
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引用自 brisket <3
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not really much of a difference

though i guess i should've said "have a hard time figuring out how to pronounce" instead
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It's the difference between reading a guidebook and actually performing the steps which the guidebook describes.

For a sufficiently difficult game such as Donkey Kong 64, this disparity will be clear to most people, who can look up the exact steps required to achieve 101% but yet fail at accomplishing them many times over.

Now, pronouncing words is sufficiently easier - in languages which don't utilize pitch to vary the meaning of words (such as Chinese), I personally am capable of mastering any pronunciation after only a few attempts most of the time, however, there are some people who simply aren't capable of doing this. ...even when they know how the end result should be.


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ChaffyExpert 2022 年 8 月 17 日 下午 8:57 
引用自 brisket <3
引用自 Traror

Good for you, want a cookie with your name on it? If anything, being trans yourself, means your opinion is extremely biased and not to be trusted, as it will be skewed in a pro-LGBTQ+ direction regardless of facts.
or on the contrary, maybe it means i literally experienced firsthand all the things i had to overcome to even consider the possibility that i could be trans even in the face of pretty obvious signs

maybe it means that i know my ♥♥♥♥, that i'm not talking out of my ass, which i know for a fact you're doing

Clearly though, in this case, being trans is just used to gatekeep and keep out opposing opinions, which as i said earlier is called an echo chamber.

Also, isn't this "appeal to authority" fallacy, IE: "I'm an authority on this subject, i say X thing is true, therefore X thing must be true"
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