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Would you use the preffered pronouns
Imagine you meet a person and you see a massive "My pronouns are xe/xim/xir" pin on them. Would you call them xe/xim/xir or would you use "traditional" he/she pronouns when talking with them? If yes/no please say why
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did you guys gets some sleep?
Messaggio originale di Your_White_Knight:
Messaggio originale di Mattmoo:
They can expect anything to whatever degree they want to.

Whether it happens or not, is another thing altogether. =)
:steamthis:

Exactly...

Messaggio originale di Thermal Lance:
Just a question.

If I managed to take the brain of a woman. Swap the Brain of a man with it. Let’s imagine I somehow solved the riddle on how to reconnect everything.

Should I see that person as a man or a woman?

If ( not when mind you, but "if" ) you "managed" to do that... we'll talk.

Since that's nothing but ~FANTASY~ and not really a thing.... we have nothing to talk about
Heh, it’s kinda not fantasy when you actually look into the science.

Not of a littéral brain transplant mind you but that these people are literally wired this way.

Studies are on the way and might take a few years still so the sample is big enough. Already is the case for homosexuals btw.

Just trying to let people know that depending on the results, you might be up for a rude awakening.

Do note im not saying they are all SANE. A lot of people with specific issues tend to agglomerate around marginalized groups because themselves feel out of place. What I do mean, is that we might very well be confronted with something that is actually tangible.

And no I’m not refering to the gender pronouns insanity but to the very concept of being pretty much a woman trapped in a man’s body.

We still have to wait but it’s possible that all this have a clear explanation on a biological level.
it's an obvious reference to this video https://youtu.be/mSYJ5Ehbo3U
Messaggio originale di Thermal Lance:
Messaggio originale di Your_White_Knight:
:steamthis:

Exactly...

If ( not when mind you, but "if" ) you "managed" to do that... we'll talk.

Since that's nothing but ~FANTASY~ and not really a thing.... we have nothing to talk about
Heh, it’s kinda not fantasy when you actually look into the science.

Not of a littéral brain transplant mind you but that these people are literally wired this way.

Studies are on the way and might take a few years still so the sample is big enough. Already is the case for homosexuals btw.

Just trying to let people know that depending on the results, you might be up for a rude awakening.

Do note im not saying they are all SANE. A lot of people with specific issues tend to agglomerate around marginalized groups because themselves feel out of place. What I do mean, is that we might very well be confronted with something that is actually tangible.

And no I’m not refering to the gender pronouns insanity but to the very concept of being pretty much a woman trapped in a man’s body.

We still have to wait but it’s possible that all this have a clear explanation on a biological level.

That was a bunch of circular logic and double talk...

No. Still not.
Messaggio originale di Edmon Glace:
I would do my best to refer to a person in the way he/she/they wish. It is not a hard thing to do at all. I don't believe in hypersensitivity to this issue, but it is not a thing that irks me either.

Well whoever this random person is can change his perception at any time, since the perception of self is internal. Do you not have retroactively change everything? Do we not have to keep track of someone's personal life to know if he is in any way still following that interpretation? Interpretive language doesn't work.

and as I've stated in another thread "they" is not singular. Singular neutral is "He," "They" is purely plural. It was only singular back when "you" was plural and we still had Thee Thou and Thy.
Messaggio originale di Vault Hunter 101:
Would you use the preffered pronouns
Messaggio originale di Affronter:
Preferred*

Messaggio originale di videomike_Ultimate_Plushie:
Messaggio originale di Thermal Lance:
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Just a question.

If I managed to take the brain of a woman. Swap the Brain of a man with it. Let’s imagine I somehow solved the riddle on how to reconnect everything.

Should I see that person as a man or a woman?

Woman. The only thing we have any business caring about is the body. Whatever spiritual or emotional concepts is between you and your friends. English grammar doesn't care.
Neuroscience isn't a spiritual concept and emotions are a subset of it, not the other way around.

We might be the first generation that may be able to become transhuman and exceed the current death-barrier by becoming cyborgs / uploading to robots.
Unless you're simply willing to either die organically before 120 years old (which you almost certainly won't be ready on the day that it's time) or surrender all of your human-rights and become someone else's property when undergoing a procedure just to stay alive ...if either of those scenarios don't sound good, then I'd reconsider whether all that matters is the body.

Because at the current progression of technology & medical science, this might be a choice - an option - that people alive today actually become faced with.


:redcircle: :ycircle: :gcircle: :bluecircle: :pcircle:
Messaggio originale di Jade Strawberries:

Messaggio originale di videomike_Ultimate_Plushie:
and as I've stated in another thread "they" is not singular. Singular neutral is "He," "They" is purely plural. It was only singular back when "you" was plural and we still had Thee Thou and Thy.

They and them can be singular. Words don't have one single meaning.
I disagree that he should be a default pronoun because its masculine-leaning. It's misleading and it's something that obviously came from patriarchal nonsense, which everyone should try to fight against because it's an ideology fueled by sexism.

So, you just drank all the crazy juice.
Messaggio originale di Traror:
Messaggio originale di Jade Strawberries:

They and them can be singular. Words don't have one single meaning.
I disagree that he should be a default pronoun because its masculine-leaning. It's misleading and it's something that obviously came from patriarchal nonsense, which everyone should try to fight against because it's an ideology fueled by sexism.

So, you just drank all the crazy juice.

A bit curt but... exactly...
Messaggio originale di Thermal Lance:
Messaggio originale di Groogo:
Would you call a rock a tree?
Just a question.

If I managed to take the brain of a woman. Swap the Brain of a man with it. Let’s imagine I somehow solved the riddle on how to reconnect everything.

Should I see that person as a man or a woman?
"imagine" is the key word in that scenario.
It would be too awkward. If I had no choice but to communicate with someone who makes the preferences clear, I would do it and be polite and not phony. But I wouldn't make a habit out of it.
Messaggio originale di Groogo:
Messaggio originale di Thermal Lance:
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Just a question.

If I managed to take the brain of a woman. Swap the Brain of a man with it. Let’s imagine I somehow solved the riddle on how to reconnect everything.

Should I see that person as a man or a woman?
"imagine" is the key word in that scenario.
Well, the item in your current avatar (a semi-automatic rifle) certainly didn't grow on a tree, so...

Imagined scenarios aren't as far in the realm of fantasy and make-believe as several of you here seem to suggest or believe. :seewhatyoudid:
Ultima modifica da Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏; 18 ago 2022, ore 8:33
Messaggio originale di Jade Strawberries:
Messaggio originale di videomike_Ultimate_Plushie:
Well whoever this random person is can change his perception at any time, since the perception of self is internal. Do you not have retroactively change everything? Do we not have to keep track of someone's personal life to know if he is in any way still following that interpretation? Interpretive language doesn't work.

This only happens to genderfluid individuals. However they often use gender-neutral or multiple pronouns to help combat that issue. It's not like people willingly change their gender because that's impossible.

That's not how this works. Anything internal can change. What a person sees themselves as is always a personal thing. It could be sourced from trauma, or just failures in brain chemistry but it can change. What a shock, a persons sense of self can change, a lot. IGrammar cares what a person IS, not what they -think- they are. And if you're talking about clinical dysmorphia then we need an entire thread for that.

Messaggio originale di Jade Strawberries:
Messaggio originale di videomike_Ultimate_Plushie:
and as I've stated in another thread "they" is not singular. Singular neutral is "He," "They" is purely plural. It was only singular back when "you" was plural and we still had Thee Thou and Thy.

They and them can be singular. Words don't have one single meaning.
I disagree that he should be a default pronoun because its masculine-leaning. It's misleading and it's something that obviously came from patriarchal nonsense, which everyone should try to fight against because it's an ideology fueled by sexism.

No it can't dude. It's called a closed form of speech, words that on their own have no meaning. Try and define the word "And" without refering to it's role as a conjunction. Unless you just change into an adverb or something(see "so") then you can't do it. while it is a conjunction it has no meaning. They are structural pieces which we use to discen context clues. It's how we include dependent and independend clauses, replace nouns so we don't have to repeat them. These words have to have to have a -set- meaning or they cease functioning.

I'm not buying into your religion thank you. an invisible spirit you can't provide to me is not interesting nor changes the basis of grammar. I suspect you won't listen anyway, this is for the people that aren't highly religious and will actually care.

Edit: funny edition, I dont remember exactly why "thee and thou"(second person subject and object) were dropped for "you" but I remember "Thy" was dropped because fancy uppity ups kept using lazy cursive(you have all seen the kind) which squashed "thy" so tightly it started just looking like the letter I
Ultima modifica da videomike_Ultimate_Plushie; 17 ago 2022, ore 16:55
Messaggio originale di Groogo:
Messaggio originale di Thermal Lance:
Just a question.

If I managed to take the brain of a woman. Swap the Brain of a man with it. Let’s imagine I somehow solved the riddle on how to reconnect everything.

Should I see that person as a man or a woman?
"imagine" is the key word in that scenario.
Guess you got nothing to say.
Messaggio originale di videomike_Ultimate_Plushie:
No it can't dude. It's called a closed form of speech, words that on their own have no meaning. Try and define the word "And" without refering to it's role as a conjunction. Unless you just change into an adverb or something(see "so") then you can't do it. while it is a conjunction it has no meaning. They are structural pieces which we use to discen context clues. It's how we include dependent and independend clauses, replace nouns so we don't have to repeat them. These words have to have to have a -set- meaning or they cease functioning.

I'm not buying into your religion thank you. an invisible spirit you can't provide to me is not interesting nor changes the basis of grammar. I suspect you won't listen anyway, this is for the people that aren't highly religious and will actually care.

Grammar is not this rigid, ruling body that is completely inflexible like how you're making it out to be. The way people speak is constantly shifting and changing overtime, and moreover, the way people speak is not necessarily always adherent to the "rules" of grammar anyway. And the language we're speaking in right now, English, doesn't even have any official regulatory body like many languages do. The closest is the Oxford Dictionary, but it's by no means an authority on the language.

Your view on language is prescriptive, which is a view most linguists don't even agree with. Prescriptivism is discriminatory, because it's often people with lower education, or people who are of lower class, as well as minorities who use language different from what is considered "correct." Attacking people for speaking the "incorrect" way, when almost everyone speaks "incorrect" way in casual speech, is just silly.

The TL;DR is you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Ultima modifica da peppermint hollows; 17 ago 2022, ore 16:58
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