Rings of Power CRASHES and BURNS! 45% on Rotten Tomatoes!

[ambi]

just wow. why is there a massive gap between media critics and audiences (80% vs 45%)? where are the legions of fans?

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/the_lord_of_the_rings_the_rings_of_power

edit: as a comparison, the House of the Dragon got an 85% audience score.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/house_of_the_dragon

[AdahnGorion]

Messaggio originale di Zero, Dark Knight:

Messaggio originale di Darkie:

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6 stars is the minimum Amazon will take, so basically 6 = 0. 7 = 3. 8 = 6. 9 = 9. 10 = 10.
and it's getting a 6. xD

Well obviously critique is not allowed and is discriminative in nature... Amazon owns IMDB, they will do anything to get good "ratings" take a look at the reviews of House of Dragon and see what people freely can write.. it has nothing to do with "discrimination, trolling, etc" it has to do with protecting your own interest.

Fun fact. The vast majority of people don´t know that Amazon owns IMDB.

[doug]

Conservatives: Capitalism makes everything better

Also conservatives: reeeee bezos ruined lord of the rings to make money off the gays and the blacks, he must be a communist

[Zero, Dark Knight]

Messaggio originale di CookedKen:

Conservatives: Capitalism makes everything better

Also conservatives: reeeee bezos ruined lord of the rings to make money off the gays and the blacks, he must be a communist

where's the competition to Amazon? learn what terms mean if you're gonna use them.

[doug]

Messaggio originale di Zero, Dark Knight:

Messaggio originale di CookedKen:

Conservatives: Capitalism makes everything better

Also conservatives: reeeee bezos ruined lord of the rings to make money off the gays and the blacks, he must be a communist

where's the competition to Amazon? learn what terms mean if you're gonna use them.

Which terms?


I'm doing a caricature by the way .Thought that might be obvious.

[Mr. Tex]

Doesn't seem as bad as I expected.

However I still doubt they will attract enough viewers to make it profitable, considering how much they invested into it.

Attacking the fanbase, the very people who made the franchise popular and successful in the first place, is never a good move, but that's what these entitled hipster Americans are like.

Amazon should have given the job to producers and screenwriters who actually read and enjoyed Tolkien's work, that would have been the common sense.

[krag hag]

50 pages, impressive

[Groogo]

Messaggio originale di Mr. Tex:

Doesn't seem as bad as I expected.

However I still doubt they will attract enough viewers to make it profitable, considering how much they invested into it.

Attacking the fanbase, the very people who made the franchise popular and successful in the first place, is never a good move, but that's what these entitled hipster Americans are like.

Amazon should have given the job to producers and screenwriters who actually read and enjoyed Tolkien's work, that would have been the common sense.

All they have to do is improve their product, after such a poor start they may not be able to do that, we will see.

[Zero, Dark Knight]

Messaggio originale di Groogo:

All they have to do is improve their product, after such a poor start they may not be able to do that, we will see.

fix it?
buddy I don't think there's enough money in the world to fix this.

[Groogo]

Messaggio originale di Zero, Dark Knight:

Messaggio originale di Groogo:

All they have to do is improve their product, after such a poor start they may not be able to do that, we will see.

fix it?
buddy I don't think there's enough money in the world to fix this.

You may be correct, I read somewhere that they have a contract to produce 5 seasons ( I don't know for sure as I do not remember where I read that)...after such a poor start it certainly will be difficult for them to turn it around.

[ambi]

Messaggio originale di Warsmith Honsou:

I don't really care about marvel but guess what? Black people like comics. Women like comics. Gay people like comics. Some even make comics. It's not some insidious conspiracy to replace or emasculate straight white men. If you feel threatened or disgusted by depictions of people other than straight white men in comic books and fantasy tv shows, you have problems.

nice strawman.

manga depicts a large diverse group of people, and even non-people, and they are absolutely demolishing western comics.

[Marius]

Watched episodes 1 & 2. 20 minutes in Episode 3. It's not Lord of The Rings. I doesn't feel believable from time to time. Specially when you know Middle Earth is based around British/Northern Europe, etc. Tolkien wanted to create his own mythology for Europe.

Anyway. It feels more like Narnia or so. If it deleted Lords of The Rings and just calls itself The Ring of Power or so and make it's own Fantasy World. I would perhaps say it's sorta kinda okay show.

If I have to give it the LOTR emblem. I don't like the costumes, the hairdresses, the dialoge, camera point of views, and the acting. I do agree some of the landscapes and shots are beautiful, tho.

Also world building is a weak, and I find it very annoying to see a small village with all kind of 'races of men/elves/dwarves'. Imagine 17th century Ireland. Donegal-region. That's very remote area of Europa. and poof there's all kind of people from all over the world. Nope not going to happen.

Anyway to be concluded as it was as Tolkien's books & Jacksons LOTR/Hobbit I woukld give it a big no. Would it stand on its own fantasyshow I would rate it above average.

[Dakuwan]

Messaggio originale di Jackie Daytona:

Messaggio originale di Traror:

What's funny though, is how strong male characters that people like freak them out so much. Like that storm-trooper turned good guy in the sequels that i don't know the name of bc i didn't see those movies, but from what it sounds like, they had a good male character people liked, so they had to shoot that down quick.

The rumor is that Finn (that stormtrooper you mention) was meant to become a Jedi. It's clear that episode 7 sets him up for that. (The movie poster shows him holding a lightsaber.) However, his character's role was downplayed in Asian markets. Particularly, China.

Most notably, his character was reduced in size for Chinese advertisements. Episodes 8 & 9 relegated him to a comedic role. One which took place mostly outside the main story. (And thus easy to edit out.)

Messaggio originale di CookedKen:

You people crying "blackwashing" and "reeeee feminists ruin everything" are deranged. Amazon changed LoTR because they thought it would sell better to modern audiences.Disney "diversified" Star Wars because they though it would sell better to modern audiences. There's no conspiracy to turn men into women or white people into black people. It's not white genocide or emasculation, it's just capitalism.

lol, no.

Top Gun: Maverick proves that what you are saying is wrong. "Modern audiences" haven't fundamentally changed since the 1980's. People want what they have always wanted. It's just that Hollywood refuses to give it to them.

Every single form of entertainment has been altered to conform to the progressive stack.

From the 1970's to the 1990's, most music was made by white people. Now? Hardly any is. (Outside of country music which is desperate for content.) Is it because white people suddenly stopped making music? No. It's because the industry rejects them in favor of diversity. It's why boy bands stopped being a thing. It's why the entire rock genre is dead.

I used to be a huge fan of Marvel comics. Around ten years ago, (Or so.) an effort was made to systematically eliminate all popular straight white male heroes.

• Cyclops was made into a villain. Killed Xiavier, and was thrown in prison.
  
• Steve Rogers retired and made Falcon the new Captain America.
  
• Thor became unworthy, and his ex-girlfriend gained his powers.
  
• Bruce Banner gave his powers to Amadeus Cho. Becoming the new Hulk.
  
• Tony Stark retired. Deciding instead, to mentor a brilliant young black girl named, "Ree Ree Williams". Tony Stark also briefly became a villain.
  
• Wolverine was killed. He was replaced by his female clone, X-23.
  
• Peter Parker was killed. So that he could be replaced by Miles Morales. A young multi-racial guy. That became the new Spider-man.
  
• The Sentry was completely corrupted by The Void, and destroyed.
  
• Iceman suddenly decided he's gay.

Marvel comics have experienced a steady decline in sales. Which directly coincides with their efforts to replace characters with younger and/or more diverse versions.

Capitalism isn't driving these changes. Political activists, are. It has never been profitable to take an extreme political stance.

P&G learned this the hard way. They hired a far-left feminist to direct a Gillette ad. The ad didn't talk about getting a good shave. Instead, it shamed men for existing.

Before the ad, Gillette controlled 77% of the U.S. disposable razor market. Afterwards? This dropped to 66%. Within 12 months. (And most likely continued to drop after that.) Mach 3 refills used to cost $25. Now you can get them for $12, or less.

This loss was so great that P&G broke into a bunch of smaller companies.

RoP is no different from any of this. LotR had six movies that were male power fantasy. Which were followed-up by a direct-to-streaming series obsessed with diversity and female empowerment. They rejected their audience, to appeal to one that does not exist.

There's nothing wrong with diversity or representation. It only becomes a problem when it supersedes everything else. Keep it subtle, and no one will care. Shove it in everyone's face? Expect a lot of people to not like it.

Fatality...

[Your_White_Knight]

Messaggio originale di miss shapiro:

Messaggio originale di Warsmith Honsou:

I don't really care about marvel but guess what? Black people like comics. Women like comics. Gay people like comics. Some even make comics. It's not some insidious conspiracy to replace or emasculate straight white men. If you feel threatened or disgusted by depictions of people other than straight white men in comic books and fantasy tv shows, you have problems.

nice strawman.

manga depicts a large diverse group of people, and even non-people, and they are absolutely demolishing western comics.

Agree... the same old strawman of:

"we can't enjoy it because it's a "us problem" and it doesn't look like us so if we change it you have to still like it or it's a "you problem" because everyone needs to see themselves in the lead character".... why? because they can't make a new character like them that's enjoyable for everyone and need to ruin the established one... it's just pure spite.

Not to mention... there's a big difference between "enjoying" and replacing established characters

Anyone can enjoy... but if you NEED to see someone like you in the already made character in order to "enjoy it" that's on you and your issue... not the character's that they "have" to have to be changed.

That's not our problem... get better at making NEW things rather then destroying old thing or stop crying about it... nobody is "gatekeeping" you but you.

All one has to do is look at Black Panther and how ~ EVERYONE ~ enjoyed it... even us who don't look like that... because:

A. It didn't change an already made character.
B. It was a good story and good character
C. It was entertaining and not a bad hot take social lecture

But I'm sure there will be more strawmaning and excuses to explain away more nonsense.

They can't handle reality... much less fantasy.

[Jackie Daytona]

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

Nothing from people like you holds any weight. You can't debate me. You can't refute me. No facts. No logic. Only false accusations and implications.

I'm not confused about anything. You've bought into propaganda.

Messaggio originale di CookedKen:

Messaggio originale di Jackie Daytona:

Top Gun: Maverick proves that what you are saying is wrong. "Modern audiences" haven't fundamentally changed since the 1980's. People want what they have always wanted. It's just that Hollywood refuses to give it to them.

Every single form of entertainment has been altered to conform to the progressive stack.

From the 1970's to the 1990's, most music was made by white people. Now? Hardly any is. (Outside of country music which is desperate for content.) Is it because white people suddenly stopped making music? No. It's because the industry rejects them in favor of diversity. It's why boy bands stopped being a thing. It's why the entire rock genre is dead.

You're very confused.

One movie coming out proves nothing. What are you even trying to say with that point?

That having a movie about straight white males standing up for America sells movie tickets. Sorry if that point was lost on you. And 100% counter to your argument that diversity is what America really wants.

Messaggio originale di CookedKen:

That all movies are about killing straight white men and replacing them with lesbian black women?

Not what I said. You're already resorting to strawman arguments.

Messaggio originale di CookedKen:

And that Top Gun is a good movie because it's not like that? I don't understand your argument here.

That there's an audience for people that aren't being appealed to. Not sure I can simplify it further.

Messaggio originale di CookedKen:

Music was not dominated by white people in the 70's,

Wrong. The 1970's was dominated by a wave of conservatism. Country music was incredibly popular. Debatably, this was it's peak.

There were plenty of non-white bands in that era. Regardless, white bands dominated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Year-End_Hot_100_singles_of_1970

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Messaggio originale di CookedKen:

people have always made music all over the world, from all different backgrounds. If you're exclusively talking about the american music industry, even then you're wrong.

I wasn't talking about centuries of music. I was refuting your statement that white people (and men) aren't being replaced. With simple facts.

Messaggio originale di CookedKen:

Ever heard of blues, motown, rock, funk, soul and, disco?

Spare me. Musical genres don't belong to anyone.

If I owe races a debt for their musical innovation? Then the world needs to start paying me for the advances of Mozart and Beethoven.

Messaggio originale di CookedKen:

You're also wrong about white people not making music anymore,

I didn't say that. Everyone like you misconstrues arguments.

Messaggio originale di CookedKen:

and you're wrong about rock and boy bands being white people music.

Didn't say that, either. Said that white male boybands no longer exist. This is true. Because of choices made by the U.S. music industry. The genre didn't die. (Just look at BTS.) It was pushed out the music industry. Just like rock.

All (or mostly) white male bands of the 1990's: Green Day, Nirvana, Smash Mouth, Sublime, Oasis, Blind Melon, Korn, Limp Bizkit, Red Hot Chillie Peppers, The Cranberries, Blues Traveler, Nine Inch Nails, Pearl Jam, Guns N' Roses, Blink 182, Weezer, The Mighty Mighty Bosstones, U2, Rage Against the Machine, The Wallflowers, Foo-Fighters, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Stone Temple Pilots, The Smashing Pumpkins, Beastie Boys, 98 degrees, Offspring, R.E.M., System of a Down, Radiohead, Aerosmith, Counting Crows, Bush, Beck, Cake, Collective Soul, Matchbox Twenty, Goo Goo Dolls, Incubus, Third Eye Blind, Faith No More, White Zombie, Bon Jovi, Primus, The Black Crowes, Queens of the Stone Age, Everclear, Hootie & the Blowfish, Dave Matthews Band, Silverchair, Slipknot, Creed, Barenaked Ladies, Godsmack, Savage Garden, and... I think I can stop here.

Name an all-white male band that became popular after 2015. I was able to name over 50 from the 1990's.

Messaggio originale di CookedKen:

Black people invented boy bands

False, and totally irrelevant to this discussion. Black people did not come up with the concept of a group of men singing together.

Messaggio originale di CookedKen:

and white people still make music, and still make money from it.

Then why are there no white boy bands? Why has no white rock band reached fame since the early 2000's?

Messaggio originale di CookedKen:

I don't really care about marvel but guess what? Black people like comics. Women like comics. Gay people like comics. Some even make comics. It's not some insidious conspiracy to replace or emasculate straight white men.

I gave you numerous examples of white male characters being replaced. If you cannot accept facts as truth? Then there's not much sense in talking to you.

I stopped buying comics because the writers, artists and editors don't care about me.

The last Spider-man comic I bought convinced me to stop. In it, there's a fat ugly dude getting beat up by two gorgeous women. He's cowering on the ground while the women kick him with high-heels. They say they are angry because the guy cat-called them. Spider-man swoops in to save him. He places him on a ledge aside a building. Then leaves. Saying something about how he deserves this.

Spider-man left him to die. There was no way for him to climb up, or to get to a window. No way down. Except to jump to his death.

Spider-man doesn't act this way. He's the type of hero that would run into a burning building to save the life of one of his enemies.

Messaggio originale di CookedKen:

If you feel threatened or disgusted by depictions of people other than straight white men in comic books and fantasy tv shows, you have problems.

Okay, so... first you tell me it's not happening. Then you tell me I'm a bad person for pointing it out.

You're also strawman-ing, yet again. I never said I wanted to exclude anyone. In fact, I stated clearly that diversity and inclusion are fine. I'm against changing characters on the basis of race, gender, or sexuality.

One of my favorite shows was 'Legends of Tomorrow'. Easily the most progressive superhero show to date. Didn't find that disgusting or threatening.

Why? Because they had competent writers. Some of the characters are not straight. One of which is Sara Lance, White Canary. She was created for the CW Arrowverse. So, that's totally fine. They didn't turn an existing character gay. They made up an all-new one. And developed her sexuality over time.

They pulled in John Constantine. Long established as bi-sexual. And they stayed true to his character. They didn't try to change him to be something he's not. The writers respected the source material.

Even the race-swapped Booster Gold wasn't bad. Because they picked a talented comedic actor, and they wrote him without regard to race.

RoP is like...
Hobbits are black now. Agree or you're a racist.
Dwarves are black now. Agree or you're a racist.
Elves are black now. Agree or you're a racist.
LotR is about women now. Agree or you're a misogynist.

Which is pretty much your entire opinion and argument.

[Zero, Dark Knight]

Messaggio originale di Zero, Dark Knight:

Messaggio originale di Holografix:

"Tolkien trolls with the stupidest takes on the internet about Rings of Power" continues after these messages:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY4T6CKLYKU

I don't accept Rings of Power as a legit part of Lord of the Rings though, I just see it as 'wearing the skin' of Lord of the Rings.

I see these people as anti Amazon. :P

8th Sep.

Messaggio originale di Zero, Dark Knight:

Amazon studios should be praising these same people who abandoned the series, they don't want bigots watching anyway...

... do they?

7th Sep.

Messaggio originale di Zero, Dark Knight:

Okay, so it's an Amazon owned licence, which turned into an Amazon owned show, which uses a Lord of the Rings skin, to tell an Amazon original tale, which has no relation to the other activities and official stuff in the universe which is canon.

6th of Sep.

Messaggio originale di Your_White_Knight:

Your intent is obvious

Yes I like to think it is. Shame you can't see it though, but you hate me :)