Rings of Power CRASHES and BURNS! 45% on Rotten Tomatoes!

[ambi]

just wow. why is there a massive gap between media critics and audiences (80% vs 45%)? where are the legions of fans?

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/the_lord_of_the_rings_the_rings_of_power

edit: as a comparison, the House of the Dragon got an 85% audience score.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/house_of_the_dragon

[Your_White_Knight]

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Escrito originalmente por videomike_Ultimate_Plushie:

God Finn was such a wasted character. ...

I was very excited to see the first trailers with a Stormtrooper with their helmet off and the camera focusing on their desperation as if they were a main character... I actually looked forward to seeing that being explored on the screen. It made a huge impact on my expectations.

Aaaand.. they @%@'ed it up... :/ Finn turned into comic relief and a third-rank "we don't have any story, here, so let him go do something stupid" character.

Hacks. They took the only interesting, innovative, exciting potential they had and fumbled it. It wasn't even done in a half___ed competent way. Too many darn writers and producers in the Writer's Room, I bet.

And, those movies had far, far, far, far, far too darn many characters in them that they desperately shoved in front of the camera, hoping to gain someone's attention if the rest of the characters fell on their face. Every darn character in a story doesn't need some kind of darn meta. Who the heck cares who the heck "Phasmo the maybe-intimidating-but-probably-not" Stormtrooper is? WTF is that supposed to do?

Anyway, Finn was a complete loss third-rank character compared to what he should have been.

"If we have some character for everyone, everyone will like it"... poor logic that never works.

[AdahnGorion]

Escrito originalmente por Holografix:

Hot Star Wars take to melt your minds:

"Rian is better than JJ, and Last Jedi was better than Force and Rise."

Rings of Power episode 3 is going to be so good :D

I don´t consider any of the Disney SW movies/shows as canon either, I don´t like any of them.
However I do accept that some do..

It is pretty much the same with RoP.

[Morkonan]

Escrito originalmente por Your_White_Knight:

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Amazon is playing chicken here with Rings of Power... and it's not looking good for them.

I think it'll be fine for them, to be honest. As long as people don't start throwing rotten vegetables at their TV screens and nobody involved in the production of the show has pics released of them bonking sheep, it'll be a positive asset. People will subscribe and watch and they hold onto their subscriptions when the next "Big Thing Production" is announced.


So, a stage performer in a local production of "The Taming of the Shrew" gets a couple of bad reviews in the local paper and, well, nobody really cares - They've only got the one playhouse, anyway.

But, a big high-profile New York critic happened to be in the audience and writes a review where they compare his performance to a wet paper towel with a speech impediment. But, says the rest of the show is "meh."

People flock to see the show. They arrive in buses. The local strip-mall-♥♥♥-airport is overloaded. "Big Jim's Big Hot-Dog" drive-thru can't keep up with the orders for its "Big Six Inch" Hot Dogs. People just won't stop coming to see the show...

After all, a big, high-profile, New York critic went to see the show, so there must be something there worth watching, right?

The show benefits from the publicity, the little town thrives, "Big Jim" sells his hot-dog stand and retires to Tahiti. And, the actor who's performance started all this? He gets a break-out role opportunity in a vacuum cleaner commercial and becomes a super-star.


From a cash-outlay perspective, though, it could be an issue. But, companies throw money away all the time at "loss leaders" just to get people used to their products or to attract attention. This won't break Amazon Prime as long as they can manage "mediocre."

IIRC, Amazon Prime streaming comes with one's Amazon Prime subscription thing, right? I dunno, since I don't "Amazon"stuffs. So, it's directly tied in with that cashflow anyway. New subscribers there mean new customers who can now more easily spend money with Amazon.

IMO - The biggest challenge among all the streaming channels is... all the streaming channels. It doesn't appear as if the market can support that much "streaming" subscribers. And, even good shows get cancelled, passed over, remain unrecognized, not for any other reason than they didn't become "noteworthy" enough to attract attention.

[Holografix]

Escrito originalmente por Darkie:

Escrito originalmente por Holografix:

Hot Star Wars take to melt your minds:

"Rian is better than JJ, and Last Jedi was better than Force and Rise."

Rings of Power episode 3 is going to be so good :D

I don´t consider any of the Disney SW movies/shows as canon either, I don´t like any of them.
However I do accept that some do..

It is pretty much the same with RoP.

For me, canon is only for literature or university academia. Pop stuff, like SW or Tolkien doesn't have 'canon.'

[Morkonan]

Escrito originalmente por Your_White_Knight:

"If we have some character for everyone, everyone will like it"... poor logic that never works.

Exactly.

Why spend time and effort trying to come up with a great character that people will like because you wrote a great character when you can just load up a shotgun full of meh-quality characters and blast the audience in the face with it? A couple are bound to stick, right? :/

[AdahnGorion]

Escrito originalmente por Your_White_Knight:

Getting back on topic so it doesn't get derailed.

I'll just leave this here on why Rings of Power is failing...

https://youtu.be/jhFvd5vkB8o

I don´t particular like random youtubers, but sometimes, that is what you need to peak the avarage younger generation persons interest and respect.

[Your_White_Knight]

Escrito originalmente por Morkonan:

Escrito originalmente por Your_White_Knight:

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Amazon is playing chicken here with Rings of Power... and it's not looking good for them.

I think it'll be fine for them, to be honest. As long as people don't start throwing rotten vegetables at their TV screens and nobody involved in the production of the show has pics released of them bonking sheep, it'll be a positive asset. People will subscribe and watch and they hold onto their subscriptions when the next "Big Thing Production" is announced.


So, a stage performer in a local production of "The Taming of the Shrew" gets a couple of bad reviews in the local paper and, well, nobody really cares - They've only got the one playhouse, anyway.

But, a big high-profile New York critic happened to be in the audience and writes a review where they compare his performance to a wet paper towel with a speech impediment. But, says the rest of the show is "meh."

People flock to see the show. They arrive in buses. The local strip-mall-♥♥♥-airport is overloaded. "Big Jim's Big Hot-Dog" drive-thru can't keep up with the orders for its "Big Six Inch" Hot Dogs. People just won't stop coming to see the show...

After all, a big, high-profile, New York critic went to see the show, so there must be something there worth watching, right?

The show benefits from the publicity, the little town thrives, "Big Jim" sells his hot-dog stand and retires to Tahiti. And, the actor who's performance started all this? He gets a break-out role opportunity in a vacuum cleaner commercial and becomes a super-star.


From a cash-outlay perspective, though, it could be an issue. But, companies throw money away all the time at "loss leaders" just to get people used to their products or to attract attention. This won't break Amazon Prime as long as they can manage "mediocre."

IIRC, Amazon Prime streaming comes with one's Amazon Prime subscription thing, right? I dunno, since I don't "Amazon"stuffs. So, it's directly tied in with that cashflow anyway. New subscribers there mean new customers who can now more easily spend money with Amazon.

IMO - The biggest challenge among all the streaming channels is... all the streaming channels. It doesn't appear as if the market can support that much "streaming" subscribers. And, even good shows get cancelled, passed over, remain unrecognized, not for any other reason than they didn't become "noteworthy" enough to attract attention.

We'll see... like I said no company not even Amazon is "unsinkable" people might think it's UNthinkable but that doesn't mean it's impossible that's two different things...

Even the chance that Amazon abandons the streaming service and spins or sells it off for a loss could be a result of this... time will tell.

Dismaly too with Dismaly+ people thought was "too big to fail" and yet they are in deep trouble financially themselves...

Escrito originalmente por Morkonan:

Escrito originalmente por Your_White_Knight:

"If we have some character for everyone, everyone will like it"... poor logic that never works.

Exactly.

Why spend time and effort trying to come up with a great character that people will like because you wrote a great character when you can just load up a shotgun full of meh-quality characters and blast the audience in the face with it? A couple are bound to stick, right? :/

Correct...

When you don't want to offend anyone and try to represent everyone it becomes a convoluted "meh" mess... it killed Dr. Who, Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel, DC... and now LOTR's turn.

Quantity =/= Quality

[Morkonan]

Escrito originalmente por Your_White_Knight:

We'll see... like I said no company not even Amazon is "unsinkable" people might think it's UNthinkable but that doesn't mean it's impossible that's two different things...

I agree. Though, it'd be difficult to see how Amazon, itself, could end up going under. It's not impossible, just mind-bogglingly hard to imagine. They're.. a leech. They don't have much in the way of a product that they actually produce. So, as long as people want to sell products through a central distributor, they've got a place in the market.

When teleporter pads are invented, if Amazon doesn't gobble up all the rights to them it will certainly go bankrupt. Otherwise? Dunno. :)

Even the chance that Amazon abandons the streaming service and spins or sells it off for a loss could be a result of this... time will tell.

Dismaly too with Dismaly+ people thought was "too big to fail" and yet they are in deep trouble financially themselves...

Agreed. These streaming production companies are "competing." That's bad. Competition is bad for them. They have to have something that nobody else competes against in order to avoid being overwhelmed by streaming service competition. It's just crazy how many streaming channels are out there and how every single one expects consumers to buy-in to a monthly subscription.

One show would never, ever, convince me to buy into a streaming service given the "cable" access for entertainment I already have. Other people are different, of course.

..hen you don't want to offend anyone and try to represent everyone it becomes a convoluted "meh" mess... it killed Dr. Who, Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel, DC... and now LOTR's turn.

Quantity =/= Quality

OFFEND ME!

I want some brash darn series that doesn't give a ___ trying to shove quality produced and written content into my face. I'm not a masochist, I just want to see artists producing their stuff with some darn bit of real gravitas involved and a focus on "here's a message you don't want to hear, but I'm going to do it so well you'll be forced to listen to it."

So, yeah, take me back to "The Sopranos" where there's hardly any character there anyone would admire and nearly every single one of them has some disgusting fatal flaw... and MAKE ME WATCH IT because the darn writing is too darn good to pass up. Make me care about whether or not one character successfully murders another or gets away with the Big Crime.

(A ton of shows have tried to do that since, but they try to do it without having a decent enough plan to gain our empathy. Tony Soprano did it by being a big hulk off an imposing murderer-guy, with a family and kids and friends and relatives,... who couldn't stop crying. The same with others, like Breaking Bad. (Didn't watch that, tho.))

[ChaffyExpert]

Escrito originalmente por Holografix:

"Tolkien trolls with the stupidest takes on the internet about Rings of Power" continues after these messages:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY4T6CKLYKU

Says the person with comments like "it gud" compared to in-depth analysis and comparison with the rest of the franchise.

[Your_White_Knight]

Escrito originalmente por Holografix:

https://youtu.be/2T066slbG6U

[Holografix]

I'm a fan, and Amazon isn't attacking me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7SNXYw91UY

[Your_White_Knight]

Escrito originalmente por Holografix:

https://youtu.be/Coo51j7r4HE

[ChaffyExpert]

Do any of the pro-RoP have any real arguments or something to praise that's not "it gud bc black people. and women. Anybody against it is just a right-wing data." Because we all have made many various criticism backed up by evidence and in-depth analysis. (as in-depth as you can get from 2 episodes anyways.)

[D-Black Catto]

Escrito originalmente por Traror:

Do any of the pro-RoP have any real arguments or something to praise that's not "it gud bc black people. and women. Anybody against it is just a right-wing data." Because we all have made many various criticism backed up by evidence and in-depth analysis. (as in-depth as you can get from 2 episodes anyways.)

like what

[Holografix]

Escrito originalmente por Traror:

Do any of the pro-RoP have any real arguments or something to praise that's not "it gud bc black people. and women." Because we all have made many various criticism backed up by evidence and in-depth analysis.

Logical fallacy count:

1. Straw man argument (...it gud bc....)
2. No True Scotsman (...have any 'real' arguments...)
3. Assertion based only on confidence (...we all have made various criticisms backed up by...)

Your query is actually a provocation made merely for dramatic sake, and I don't answer rhetorical questions.