Rings of Power CRASHES and BURNS! 45% on Rotten Tomatoes!

[ambi]

just wow. why is there a massive gap between media critics and audiences (80% vs 45%)? where are the legions of fans?

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/the_lord_of_the_rings_the_rings_of_power

edit: as a comparison, the House of the Dragon got an 85% audience score.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/house_of_the_dragon

[Arnie Rimsy BSc.SSc.]

Watched it. Enjoyed it. Saw rotten tomatoes score being used as some kind of authority, laughed at the people who think review bombs on the first day of a new show will stay there.
All you need to do is read a few of the "reviews" to see how many of them aren't genuine reviews.

Nice narrative though.

[Nilvus The Pure]

Nguyên văn bởi Rupika:

Nguyên văn bởi humtumtum in chinatawuuuuuun:

Ok, so now you’re straight up refusing to listen.

[AdahnGorion]

That is because House of Dragon´s despite also being very inclussive and tainted by laws from the studio and even state, managed to focus on the stories, characters and making stuff organic.

RoP have litterly no story, the characters are awful and not organic and it has almost nothing to do with its lore.

So no surprise to me.


That being said, both shows will earn a lot of cash and will be a success financially.

On imdb

Rings of Power - Score = 6.3 (10k reviews)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7631058/

House of the Dragon - Score = 8.9 (from 70k reviews)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11198330/

These might change a bit, but the trend is pretty clear


What you can gather from this, is that Rings of Power is a "love/hate" black and white take on the show, there is almost no inbetween, suggesting that it might be more about.... trends, than actual quality.

HotD instead have more layers of ratings, with the vast majority being 10, 9 and 8 scorings. There is only a tiny minority in the 1 and 7 rating.

[Your_White_Knight]

"suspension of disbelief" =/= "get out of any discussion free card"

Do not pass "GO" do not collect $200...

..."Not all authors believe that "suspension of disbelief" adequately characterizes the audience's relationship to imaginative works of art.

J. R. R. Tolkien challenges this concept in his essay "On Fairy-Stories",

choosing instead the paradigm of secondary belief based on inner consistency of reality.

Tolkien says that, in order for the narrative to work, the reader must believe that what they read is true within the secondary reality of the fictional world. By focusing on creating an internally consistent fictional world, the author makes secondary belief possible. Tolkien argues that suspension of disbelief is only necessary when the work has failed to create secondary belief, saying that from that point on, the spell is broken, and the reader ceases to be immersed in the story, and so must make a conscious effort to suspend their disbelief or else give up on it entirely... "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief

When ( trying to ) use words people should know what those words actually mean....

[Nilvus The Pure]

Nguyên văn bởi Your_White_Knight:

"suspension of disbelief" =/= "get out of any discussion free card"

Do not pass "GO" do not collect $200...

..."Not all authors believe that "suspension of disbelief" adequately characterizes the audience's relationship to imaginative works of art.

J. R. R. Tolkien challenges this concept in his essay "On Fairy-Stories",

choosing instead the paradigm of secondary belief based on inner consistency of reality.

Tolkien says that, in order for the narrative to work, the reader must believe that what they read is true within the secondary reality of the fictional world. By focusing on creating an internally consistent fictional world, the author makes secondary belief possible. Tolkien argues that suspension of disbelief is only necessary when the work has failed to create secondary belief, saying that from that point on, the spell is broken, and the reader ceases to be immersed in the story, and so must make a conscious effort to suspend their disbelief or else give up on it entirely... "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief

When ( trying to ) use words people should know what those words actually mean....

Thank you, so swap out suspension of disbelief for secondary and my argument continues to stand.

[AustrAlien2010]

I doubt people believed the movies in the first place, and disbelieve cannot be suspended because they already know the story is fictional. Seeing a camera-man on stage is sloppy, but that won't suddenly make people realise they are following actors in a play, because they already know that.

The readers of the writer are interested in the books and in his writing. This story is not in the books. This is a spin-off TV show made by someone else.

[Your_White_Knight]

Nguyên văn bởi Darkie:

That is because House of Dragon´s despite also being very inclussive and tainted by laws from the studio and even state, managed to focus on the stories, characters and making stuff organic.

RoP have litterly no story, the characters are awful and not organic and it has almost nothing to do with its lore.

So no surprise to me.

That being said, both shows will earn a lot of cash and will be a success financially.

Hmmm... anything less then a total and complete success... it won't break even for the cost.

Will it make cash? Yes...
Will it make "a lot" of cash? Maybe...
Will it make enough cash? That remains to be seen... but it's not looking good

And that's why Amazon is pushing this so hard... it's not looking good for them and even they can't take a Billion dollar hit... they poked the Bear fans with a stick, and it might bite them...

[Nilvus The Pure]

Nguyên văn bởi Rupika:

Yeah well tolkein is wrong. Because no one actually believes LotR is reality and not fiction. And if they do, they have issues.

…nobody was implying that…

[Your_White_Knight]

Nguyên văn bởi Rupika:

Yeah well tolkein is wrong. Because no one actually believes LotR is reality and not fiction. And if they do, they have issues.

lol... yes... Tolkien is wrong about his own works...

This is why Amazon and you fail...

Edit: Not to mention... you didn't understand what it said... so a second fail

[Devsman]

That might actually be the highest score I've ever heard of on rottentomatoes.

I have no idea what's actually on the site but every time anyone mentions it, it's because something got like an 8%, 20% etc score.

[AdahnGorion]

Nguyên văn bởi Your_White_Knight:

Nguyên văn bởi Darkie:

That is because House of Dragon´s despite also being very inclussive and tainted by laws from the studio and even state, managed to focus on the stories, characters and making stuff organic.

RoP have litterly no story, the characters are awful and not organic and it has almost nothing to do with its lore.

So no surprise to me.

That being said, both shows will earn a lot of cash and will be a success financially.

Hmmm... anything less then a total and complete success... it won't break even for the cost.

Will it make cash? Yes...
Will it make "a lot" of cash? Maybe...
Will it make enough cash? That remains to be seen... but it's not looking good

And that's why Amazon is pushing this so hard... it's not looking good for them and even they can't take a Billion dollar hit... they poked the Bear fans with a stick, and it might bite them...

I don´t think you understand.
It is part of a subscription, it is an investment to get people into the service and in some cases, to talk (yes talk) about Amazon.

Talking about a brand, and using one service from them, will make you more prone to use their service for other things as well.
Overall this is a good investment for them, even if its bonkers..

Look at New World (their mmo) That game cost a billion to create... A Billion !!!!!! It is the most expenssive videogame in the history of gaming and look how awful it is and how people have moved away from it..

But its novelty and hype, made it the most selling game at all time on steam... over 60 million copies sold..... 60 millions !!!!!! for abysmal game like that..... They got a lot of advertisement from the game and it was deemed a huge success (now all have forgotten it ofc) and it has earned atleast 70% of its cost in (might be more)

But the rest is covered due to all the advertisement and talk... Amazon is a huge global conglomerate after all..

The game is steam exclussive and still have around 15-20k concurrent players each day (so most likely 50-80k active players) almost that is a long way from the 60 million copies sold...
https://steamcharts.com/app/1063730#All


Good thing, I could try the beta and rather fast decide to not buy the game on release (I don´t care about hype and novelty)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2597529047


It is the same with Rings of Power.
A huge amount of people have bought into the service to see the "duck" themselves. But by doing that, they have supported their entire scheme. Then ofc there is people already using it as well, so for them it is just something new to watch.

[Your_White_Knight]

Nguyên văn bởi AustrAlien2010:

I doubt people believed the movies in the first place, and disbelieve cannot be suspended because they already know it's fake, but okay.

Seeing a camara-man on stage is sloppy.

Don't they?...

When the monster jumps out do they not scream?
When a hero dies do they not feel sad?
When the good win over evil don't they cheer?...

It's a bubble of "reality" temporary made in fantasy for two hours. ( or how long the show is )

That's the problem with some people today... they want "reality" in their fantasy and then complain "it's only fantasy" when pointed out that the "reality" doesn't fit the fantasy...

If they truly had "suspension of disbelief" the story wound't have to be changed for "their liking"..

[Ye]

Nguyên văn bởi Rupika:

So are you racist or not? I never called you one anyway, I'm saying you're making yourself look like one.

First of all, what the mainstream media calls racist is generally any white person who is not apologetic for being white, or who dares to speak up about white interests, or hate and violence against whites.

[Your_White_Knight]

Nguyên văn bởi Darkie:

Nguyên văn bởi Your_White_Knight:

Hmmm... anything less then a total and complete success... it won't break even for the cost.

Will it make cash? Yes...
Will it make "a lot" of cash? Maybe...
Will it make enough cash? That remains to be seen... but it's not looking good

And that's why Amazon is pushing this so hard... it's not looking good for them and even they can't take a Billion dollar hit... they poked the Bear fans with a stick, and it might bite them...

I don´t think you understand.
It is part of a subscription, it is an investment to get people into the service and in some cases, to talk (yes talk) about Amazon.

Talking about a brand, and using one service from them, will make you more prone to use their service for other things as well.
Overall this is a good investment for them, even if its bonkers..

Look at New World (their mmo) That game cost a billion to create... A Billion !!!!!! It is the most expenssive videogame in the history of gaming and look how awful it is and how people have moved away from it..

But its novelty and hype, made it the most selling game at all time on steam... over 60 million copies sold..... 60 millions !!!!!! for abysmal game like that..... They got a lot of advertisement from the game and it was deemed a huge success (now all have forgotten it ofc) and it has earned atleast 70% of its cost in (might be more)

But the rest is covered due to all the advertisement and talk... Amazon is a huge global conglomerate after all..

The game is steam exclussive and still have around 15-20k concurrent players each day (so most likely 50-80k active players) almost that is a long way from the 60 million copies sold...
https://steamcharts.com/app/1063730#All


Good thing, I could try the beta and rather fast decide to not buy the game on release (I don´t care about hype and novelty)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2597529047


It is the same with Rings of Power.
A huge amount of people have bought into the service to see the "duck" themselves. But by doing that, they have supported their entire scheme. Then ofc there is people already using it as well, so for them it is just something new to watch.

I don't think you understand... it's not a given... it's only an "investment" to get people into the service if people actually use and invest in the service...

Even if you disregard all the people who will sail the high seas for watching this... if it's not popular or even worse makes people not like what they pay for... they will stop paying.

Novelty aside if you think there's a rush of people buying Amazon's service for even watching it as a train wreck... Amazon's stock is down -5.72 (-4.26%) past month... it's not working.

[AdahnGorion]

Nguyên văn bởi Your_White_Knight:

Nguyên văn bởi Darkie:

I don´t think you understand.
It is part of a subscription, it is an investment to get people into the service and in some cases, to talk (yes talk) about Amazon.

Talking about a brand, and using one service from them, will make you more prone to use their service for other things as well.
Overall this is a good investment for them, even if its bonkers..

Look at New World (their mmo) That game cost a billion to create... A Billion !!!!!! It is the most expenssive videogame in the history of gaming and look how awful it is and how people have moved away from it..

But its novelty and hype, made it the most selling game at all time on steam... over 60 million copies sold..... 60 millions !!!!!! for abysmal game like that..... They got a lot of advertisement from the game and it was deemed a huge success (now all have forgotten it ofc) and it has earned atleast 70% of its cost in (might be more)

But the rest is covered due to all the advertisement and talk... Amazon is a huge global conglomerate after all..

The game is steam exclussive and still have around 15-20k concurrent players each day (so most likely 50-80k active players) almost that is a long way from the 60 million copies sold...
https://steamcharts.com/app/1063730#All


Good thing, I could try the beta and rather fast decide to not buy the game on release (I don´t care about hype and novelty)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2597529047


It is the same with Rings of Power.
A huge amount of people have bought into the service to see the "duck" themselves. But by doing that, they have supported their entire scheme. Then ofc there is people already using it as well, so for them it is just something new to watch.

I don't think you understand... it's not a given... it's only an "investment" to get people into the service if people actually use and invest in the service...

Even if you disregard all the people who will sail the high seas for watching this... if it's not popular or even worse makes people not like what they pay for... they will stop paying.

Novelty aside if you think there's a rush of people buying Amazon's service for even watching it as a train wreck... Amazon's stock is down -5.72 (-4.26%) past month... it's not working.

If you just look at how stocks change day to day, you don´t know how stocks work......


It is a given that they will be more likely to use their other services, if they used one. It is also certain, that if they bought a subscription to watch the series, they supported the overall business.. again.. it is not just a company, it is a global conglomerate.....

Do you know what a conglomerate is?.. Some might even argue it is even more than that (that is pretty scary) I don´t think people understand just how big Amazon actually is and what they dapple in, less so when they don´t understand that a billion in one tiny sector is nothing in the greather cogs of the machine.

People will not stop paying, if they are on a service, then the vast majority will keep using it or come back later.. that is why a platform like EGS gives out so many free games and have exclussives, because if people are already on a platform, they are more likely to use it and be less weary of it.


Success or not from one show means nothing for their streaming service (a tiny part of Amazon) people don´t care about past transgressions they often come to get products they want or is interested in and in some other areas, cheapest.