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Is eating smart animals wrong?
I mean I think most people in the west agree that it is wrong to eat dolphins. But squids and octopuses are just as smart. And pigs are pretty smart too.
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portable cattleman eredeti hozzászólása:
Why is it wrong to eat Dolphins? Do they just taste bad or do people not know enough about Dolphins to think it's not morally wrong?

Both apparently. Kinda rubbery, mostly blubber. There’s just not much of a point so it’s hard to view as anything but an act of pure malice.

And dolphins are perfectly capable of committing evil acts knowingly, but I somehow doubt there’s enough to make any sort of “food sin” tourism even remotely acceptable and/or profitable.

Plus that’s a pretty slippery slope.
Ad Victoriam ! eredeti hozzászólása:
I'm not here to brag anyway, I'm most interested about the "philosophical" part of hunting / kill and process food by himself here, not the practical part.
The whole tangent comes across as larpy. I doubt they pick all their own vegetables and drill the oil from the ground to their self-made car. And we can't expect everyone to have the privilege to be able to live like that anyway.
Arti_Sel eredeti hozzászólása:
Ad Victoriam ! eredeti hozzászólása:
I'm not here to brag anyway, I'm most interested about the "philosophical" part of hunting / kill and process food by himself here, not the practical part.
The whole tangent comes across as larpy. I doubt they pick all their own vegetables and drill the oil from the ground to their self-made car. And we can't expect everyone to have the privilege to be able to live like that anyway.

Well it's not about doing everything yourself. It's about being economically efficient in a context of prices raising constantly. I'm very happy with my car I've buyed and I don't really see a good reason to craft one myself or to make my own fuel. I don't know how to do it and it's probably not worth it. Invest in a good bike for small travels is a better bet I think.
swillfly eredeti hozzászólása:
profound topic - too bad it's wasted in OT

-> best to get back to the juicy topics like how tall or cute you think you are or dating & health advice
Preach it, brother.
I'll stick with the unorthodox answer I gave this question last time. Yes, but I don't care, and the animals still do have my deepest respects at the end of the day. Enjoying things that taste good and contain proteins is the cost of being human.

It's not like I'll live forever anyways, if you hate me for it, I won't be doing it for an eternity.
Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at eredeti hozzászólása:
Ad Victoriam ! eredeti hozzászólása:
... We're far superior to animals and I don't gonna let the guilt of some weaklings minor the greatness of humanity.
Weaklings? Because they can't use a gun and even make their own guns from scratch?
...or maybe because they didn't have full-body armor at the time that they got shot? :rainbowtarget:

Ok, I'll make a short list about amazing stuff we're able too that make us superior to most animals or to all animals in some cases :

- The ability to sweat. An efficient way to cool down, that allow us to run for hours if needed. Even if there is a lot of animals faster than humans, most of them gonna be tired way sooner than us, allowing us to hunt them for hours and hours.

- A good view, both for short and long distances. Not all animals have it.

- The ability to write and read, making us able to share a lot of usefull informations. No animals have it, not by themselves and not at our level at least.

- An opposable thumb, really usefull to use tools or to make them and grab a lot of things.

Humans are the first responssible for the extinction of the megafauna (mammoths, lions, etc), it's not by chance, it's because even with spears only, we're better.
Humans are "superior" only because of ingenuity. There are NO species capable of changing the environment, for better or worse, around, apart from us.

Humans are also the "apex predator" because we can adapt to (and even learn) pretty much anything.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: Castyles; 2022. júl. 7., 3:15
Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at eredeti hozzászólása:
the vampire of time and memory eredeti hozzászólása:
if you're a meat eater then it's pretty hypocritical to call eating any animal "wrong", moreso some animals are just a cultural taboo (mostly pets), but it's still not "wrong", not morally any different from eating animals commonly raised for consumption at least

Technically humans are animals and I think that cannibalism (eating one's own species) is quite clearly wrong, even if one eats other animals, at least.
Lucidly self-aware beings (which even build nuclear reactors and quantum computers in the human case) aren't animals for the same reason why a cricket isn't a plant. Though, really, calling crickets a kind of plant might be closer to reality than calling humans a kind of animal.

The post-truth narrative of calling them animals is what leads to PETA type of delusions that declares, for example, even primitive fish as "feeling pain," only because they have a central nervous system. Which they then promote under some post-scientific narrative of "increased understanding of nature."

Then they also spend literal billions on the "rights" of these primitive animals, "rescue them," and so on. Individually, they spend thousands on the health-care treatment of glorified bodypillows, often deluding themselves into believing for there to be a person inside the bodypillow, while actual people can't afford treatment. It's an extremely crass delusion if you think about it, no different from the collective belief of an arbitrary rock representing a pagan mystique. (It's easy to argue that pet-keepers are part of a mystical pagan cult.)

They are of the very same character as those who once ate all types of meat, used to be super racist, mystified rocks, etc. Now they run around being vegan, waving these weird rainbow flags, are promiscuous, believe all races equal, etc. They are dystopian, insane, and entirely driven by hysteria. And no longer do they merely call themselves animals, but they have fully begun embodying their devolution.

I generally don't take anyone seriously who uses the term "animal" in this context tbh. Referring to beings such as humans or dolphins as an "animal" merely shows how high you are on post-scientific propaganda. Either that, or you're a hylic.

...

Anyway... there's literally no reason to lock up and eat pigs, when it is understood for them to be on the intellectual level of children who left their non-lucid baby phase. Which coincides, for example, the ability to recognize yourself in the mirror (and likely lucid memories). As there are options and you can eat animals instead.

If you don't acknowledge this... you're latently psychopathic, probably.

Xero_Daxter eredeti hozzászólása:
Do I feel bad when I pull a fish out of the water so I can eat it? A little.

But when I do catch a fish I actually kill it instantly and humanely with a spike to the brain. How most fish die is through suffocation or freezing to death inside a cooler. I don't want animals to suffer more than that have to even when I'm gonna eat them.

Edit: Here's the video. The same spike I use.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS4AM9mPX-8
You'd do more good by not eating pigs, instead of deluding yourself into the belief of a primitive fish feeling anything. Especially because the fish evolved its brain literally only in order to navigate the terrain and then cannibalize its plant bretheren. It's a plant-eating plant, so to speak. (Also RE: The cannibalism cited in the beginning of the post.)

Of course some other fish then evolved to eat plant-eating plants. Which technically means that they are still plants... they are biological lifeforms. As part of this ecosystem.

Which begs the question of why carnivores should be classified as animals on the line of herbivores. As you come to realize that terms such as "plant" and "animal" are extremely arbitrary and ultimately meaningless. Especially once you bring humans into play, who build spaceships, nuclear reactors, quantum computers, etc. Surely they aren't of the same category as a plant-eating plant, which can merely navigate its environment.

Like... gravitationally, if a star is a planet-catching planet, then a supermassive black hole is a planet-catching-planet-catching planet. It's a carnivore, so to speak. But you would never set star and black hole as equal, while considering planets as separate. At most, they are an evolution thereof. Or whatever analogy you want to use.

It's just semantic bullshittery... "sophistry."
Legutóbb szerkesztette: sotaponi; 2022. júl. 8., 1:57
Rupika eredeti hozzászólása:
beavers
And some birds. Even viruses and cows with their "farts".

It's about potential, though. So your point is lost in time. Not a single species can achieve what the human achieved. For better or worse.
Just in case people are unaware of what a "species" is and aren't just outright biology deniers, "animal" isn't a species. :thepro:
Hahaha, "crickets are a plant", what a forum.
that's very normal
Xero_Daxter eredeti hozzászólása:
If someone is willing to take care of me, feed me, and give me a decent room to sleep in until I reach 25 years old then feel free to eat me once the time comes. All I ask is to kill me quickly and painlessly. *noms on free food*
deal
Ad Victoriam ! eredeti hozzászólása:
Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at eredeti hozzászólása:
Because they're just Elementary School children.

It's not like they'd taken a gun-safety & instruction course yet, nor like the person shooting them provided them with bullet proof vests and ammunition, to even try and make it fair. If you were really a superior threat, you wouldn't need a weapon to kill a grizzly, you'd just do it with your bare hands.

I'm actually not trying to argue against hunting, or even firearms, just against the notion that your gun makes you superior - it doesn't.

A human baby can't even fire a gun, yet a monkey can figure out how to use a handgun, does that make a monkey a superior being if I give it a handgun? :fnr_monkey: :deserteagle:


:question_m: :question_m: :question_m: :question_m: :question_m:

Yes, there is a video about a monkey holding an AK given to him by some guys and firing it.

And ?

I've never seen a monkey able to craft one, but guys in their garage building rifles is a thing. Even peoples who aren't engineers are able to do it by trial and error. We're far superior to animals and I don't gonna let the guilt of some weaklings minor the greatness of humanity.
Im 100% sure that 99,99% of humans cant craft a gun without instruction
McGreedy eredeti hozzászólása:
Im 100% sure that 99,99% of humans cant craft a gun without instruction

With instructions, even the dumbest of them can. Don't forget that flat earthers where able to construct a very dangerous but working prototype of a "spaceship" that don't reach space ... And one of them at least was killed by it. But if idiots are able to craft that, they can craft guns without any problems.

Anyway, all humans are able to craft spears and we've successfully hunted a lot of animals with it during many centuries.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: Netaris; 2022. júl. 7., 6:07
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