Is eating smart animals wrong?

[Ash]

I mean I think most people in the west agree that it is wrong to eat dolphins. But squids and octopuses are just as smart. And pigs are pretty smart too.

[grape cough syrup]

Yes.

[Xero_Daxter]

Rupika a écrit :

You know a lot of people often say I won't buy meat from the supermarket, I'll only buy locally produced stuff. But I wonder if these people have ever raised their own livestock. And ever had to slaughter their own pig for someone else to consume.

When you raise a pig from a baby into adulthood, it's basically very similar to killing your own pet. I think that's lost on a lot of the people here.

It is similar but it’s for food. Pigs aren't picky eaters and they will eat about anything we give them from leftover cabbage to watermelons. Me personally I treat animals fairly (I raised chickens) from birth to death.

[ZZZZZ]

Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at a écrit :

the vampire of time and memory a écrit :

if you're a meat eater then it's pretty hypocritical to call eating any animal "wrong", moreso some animals are just a cultural taboo (mostly pets), but it's still not "wrong", not morally any different from eating animals commonly raised for consumption at least

Technically humans are animals and I think that cannibalism (eating one's own species) is quite clearly wrong, even if one eats other animals, at least.

Anyways, I've put some thought into this and I'll probably never go full vegan, even if I get closer to it in the future.

My reasoning is that if there is a hungry person (such as myself) and someone else already prepared the meat but is now about to throw it away, then I think it would be bad to let it go to waste.
I will, however, be pointing out that if I wasn't hungry, I wouldn't have eaten it, and suggest that the person who prepared it be more mindful about their portion sizes so that they're not needlessly wasting.

People aren't going to quit eating meat cold-turkey, but getting them to stop over-purchasing. & over-portioning, & over-consuming, & wasting, and then it's a step in a good direction at least.
It's also easier to get people to try a different diet when they're not over-consuming, which can thus further that transition. :seewhatyoudid:

what would you do if someone turned human meat into a burger, like the the meat is already spiced and roasted and the burger is ready to grab. You would get it completely for free. Would you throw it away or even bury it or would you grab the opportunity to have a nice burger?

[Xero_Daxter]

McGreedy a écrit :

Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at a écrit :

Technically humans are animals and I think that cannibalism (eating one's own species) is quite clearly wrong, even if one eats other animals, at least.

Anyways, I've put some thought into this and I'll probably never go full vegan, even if I get closer to it in the future.

My reasoning is that if there is a hungry person (such as myself) and someone else already prepared the meat but is now about to throw it away, then I think it would be bad to let it go to waste.
I will, however, be pointing out that if I wasn't hungry, I wouldn't have eaten it, and suggest that the person who prepared it be more mindful about their portion sizes so that they're not needlessly wasting.

People aren't going to quit eating meat cold-turkey, but getting them to stop over-purchasing. & over-portioning, & over-consuming, & wasting, and then it's a step in a good direction at least.
It's also easier to get people to try a different diet when they're not over-consuming, which can thus further that transition. :seewhatyoudid:

what would you do if someone turned human meat into a burger, like the the meat is already spiced and roasted and the burger is ready to grab. You would get it completely for free. Would you throw it away or even bury it or would you grab the opportunity to have a nice burger?

Deep questions like that makes me question my morality. Lmfao.

[the vampire of time and memory]

McGreedy a écrit :

Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at a écrit :

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what would you do if someone turned human meat into a burger, like the the meat is already spiced and roasted and the burger is ready to grab. You would get it completely for free. Would you throw it away or even bury it or would you grab the opportunity to have a nice burger?

the question is less philosophical and more biological as humans are instinctually repulsed by cannibalism because something something evolutionary biology decided so

[permanent name]

the vampire of time and memory a écrit :

permanent name a écrit :

Do the animals know they’re being raised for consumption?

I’m asking to illustrate a similarity between livestock and the people who were asked to consume manganese pills before they entered my cell.

It’s very clearly morally wrong, unless you simply deny that the animals are capable of experiencing pain and fear and anxiety.

it's not "very clearly morally wrong" as morality is very clearly subjective

operating from a moral framework where the lives of animals are not at all comparable to the lives of humans,

Stopped reading right there. Literally how the British described the Irish and what caused Jonathan Swift to write A Modest Proposal. You’re exempting animals from moral considerations due to a fiat presumption of inferiority and difference.

I unwittingly read the rest of the post while deleting it, and you even utilized Swift’s logic regarding how the moral displeasure of the practice can be reasoned away as long as the Irish are responsible for killing and skinning their own children. While the British merely reap the economic rewards of doing so.

Rupika a écrit :

You know a lot of people often say I won't buy meat from the supermarket, I'll only buy locally produced stuff. But I wonder if these people have ever raised their own livestock. And ever had to slaughter their own pig for someone else to consume.

When you raise a pig from a baby into adulthood, it's basically very similar to killing your own pet. I think that's lost on a lot of the people here.

Yep farmers are made to bear the moral weight of raising animals for slaughter. Way out on their farms. Just as much an untouchable outcast as an executioner or a gravedigger.

[Dracoco OwO]

McGreedy a écrit :

Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at a écrit :

Technically humans are animals and I think that cannibalism (eating one's own species) is quite clearly wrong, even if one eats other animals, at least.

Anyways, I've put some thought into this and I'll probably never go full vegan, even if I get closer to it in the future.

My reasoning is that if there is a hungry person (such as myself) and someone else already prepared the meat but is now about to throw it away, then I think it would be bad to let it go to waste.
I will, however, be pointing out that if I wasn't hungry, I wouldn't have eaten it, and suggest that the person who prepared it be more mindful about their portion sizes so that they're not needlessly wasting.

People aren't going to quit eating meat cold-turkey, but getting them to stop over-purchasing. & over-portioning, & over-consuming, & wasting, and then it's a step in a good direction at least.
It's also easier to get people to try a different diet when they're not over-consuming, which can thus further that transition. :seewhatyoudid:

what would you do if someone turned human meat into a burger, like the the meat is already spiced and roasted and the burger is ready to grab. You would get it completely for free. Would you throw it away or even bury it or would you grab the opportunity to have a nice burger?

Simple it's probably an hazard for me so nope.

[the vampire of time and memory]

permanent name a écrit :

the vampire of time and memory a écrit :

it's not "very clearly morally wrong" as morality is very clearly subjective

operating from a moral framework where the lives of animals are not at all comparable to the lives of humans,

Stopped reading right there.

did you like at least get the part about morality being subjective or

[TruebornJester]

𝒜𝓈𝒽 a écrit :

I mean I think most people in the west agree that it is wrong to eat dolphins. But squids and octopuses are just as smart. And pigs are pretty smart too.

Why would it be wrong? Who is determining this wrongness. A hungry carnivore would not hesitate to eat me.

[permanent name]

the vampire of time and memory a écrit :

permanent name a écrit :

Stopped reading right there.

did you like at least get the part about morality being subjective or

How does your subjective concept of morality supercede mine? It’s an appeal to the absence of morality as meaningful beyond a personal context, and doesn’t really counter my feelings that it’s immoral.

[ZZZZZ]

the vampire of time and memory a écrit :

McGreedy a écrit :

what would you do if someone turned human meat into a burger, like the the meat is already spiced and roasted and the burger is ready to grab. You would get it completely for free. Would you throw it away or even bury it or would you grab the opportunity to have a nice burger?

the question is less philosophical and more biological as humans are instinctually repulsed by cannibalism because something something evolutionary biology decided so

and would you eat it not?

Dracoco OwO a écrit :

McGreedy a écrit :

what would you do if someone turned human meat into a burger, like the the meat is already spiced and roasted and the burger is ready to grab. You would get it completely for free. Would you throw it away or even bury it or would you grab the opportunity to have a nice burger?

Simple it's probably an hazard for me so nope.

what if its clean meat of a person who contained 0% dangerous substances

[Your_White_Knight]

Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at a écrit :

the vampire of time and memory a écrit :

if you're a meat eater then it's pretty hypocritical to call eating any animal "wrong", moreso some animals are just a cultural taboo (mostly pets), but it's still not "wrong", not morally any different from eating animals commonly raised for consumption at least

Technically humans are animals and I think that cannibalism (eating one's own species) is quite clearly wrong, even if one eats other animals, at least.

Anyways, I've put some thought into this and I'll probably never go full vegan, even if I get closer to it in the future.

My reasoning is that if there is a hungry person (such as myself) and someone else already prepared the meat but is now about to throw it away, then I think it would be bad to let it go to waste.
I will, however, be pointing out that if I wasn't hungry, I wouldn't have eaten it, and suggest that the person who prepared it be more mindful about their portion sizes so that they're not needlessly wasting.

People aren't going to quit eating meat cold-turkey, but getting them to stop over-purchasing. & over-portioning, & over-consuming, & wasting, and then it's a step in a good direction at least.
It's also easier to get people to try a different diet when they're not over-consuming, which can thus further that transition. :seewhatyoudid:

That's only if you're wrong and think humans are just animals...

Speak for yourself... I'm not an animal, but in some people cases... I can see the mistake there.

[Arti_Sel]

Your_White_Knight a écrit :

Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at a écrit :

Technically humans are animals and I think that cannibalism (eating one's own species) is quite clearly wrong, even if one eats other animals, at least.

Anyways, I've put some thought into this and I'll probably never go full vegan, even if I get closer to it in the future.

My reasoning is that if there is a hungry person (such as myself) and someone else already prepared the meat but is now about to throw it away, then I think it would be bad to let it go to waste.
I will, however, be pointing out that if I wasn't hungry, I wouldn't have eaten it, and suggest that the person who prepared it be more mindful about their portion sizes so that they're not needlessly wasting.

People aren't going to quit eating meat cold-turkey, but getting them to stop over-purchasing. & over-portioning, & over-consuming, & wasting, and then it's a step in a good direction at least.
It's also easier to get people to try a different diet when they're not over-consuming, which can thus further that transition. :seewhatyoudid:

That's only if you're wrong and think humans are just animals...

Speak for yourself... I'm not an animal, but in some people cases... I can see the mistake there.

I think we can question why he chose the category of animal to be the limiting factor. What's unique about animals that makes them more deserving of life than plants? Does insects count as animals?

Just cause humans are animals doesn't mean we can't eat other animals, that's what animals do.

[Your_White_Knight]

Arti_Sel a écrit :

Your_White_Knight a écrit :

That's only if you're wrong and think humans are just animals...

Speak for yourself... I'm not an animal, but in some people cases... I can see the mistake there.

I think we can question why he chose the category of animal to be the limiting factor. What's unique about animals that makes them more deserving of life than plants? Does insects count as animals?

Just cause humans are animals doesn't mean we can't eat other animals, that's what animals do.

Well it's just a word game with that one... don't look for logic.

But you can question... I have no questions not being an animal.

[Jessie]

It's fine to eat anything if you are hungry enough. Survival > all