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Blitzwing 2019 年 3 月 8 日 上午 12:20
Is games industry collapsing? More than 1000 people lost jobs in across Valve, GoG, Blizzard and so on.
2019
Activision Blizzard lays off nearly 800 employees after 'record' 2018
https://www.polygon.com/2019/2/12/18222096/blizzard-layoffs-february-2019

Massive layoffs at EA's Australian studio
FireMonkeys will refocus on live services as up to 50 staff prepare for redundancy
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-02-22-massive-layoffs-at-eas-australian-studio

CD Projekt is laying off around a dozen GOG staff (approximately 10% of the digital storefront’s workforce).
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2019/02/26/gog-layoffs/

Valve laid off 13 full-time employees and 'a portion' of its contractors in February
https://www.pcgamer.com/valve-laid-off-13-full-time-employees-and-a-portion-of-its-contracts-in-february/

Guild Wars 2 Developer ArenaNet Plans For Mass Layoffs
https://kotaku.com/guild-wars-2-developer-arenanet-plans-for-mass-layoffs-1832799804

2018
Telltale with at least 250 people dismissed, the company is a shell of what it once was.
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-09-27-more-than-1-000-jobs-lost-to-studio-closures-over-the-past-year

Electronic Arts' decision to close Dead Space developer Visceral Games with PC Gamer reporting at least 80 employees affected.

Gigantic developer Motiga saw significant layoffs - reportedly around 70 people

Marvel Heroes developer Gazillion Entertainment was forced to close down, making approximately 200 employees jobless.

Cliff Bleszinski's studio Boss Key Productions was forced to shut down, less than a year after releasing its debut title LawBreakers. At peak, the developer had 60 employees.

A further 150 people were lost later that month when Wargaming closed its Seattle studio, formerly known as Gas Powered Games.

Capcom Vancouver was closing down. The Dead Rising studio had 158 employees


Considering the recent big flops like Anthem and Fallout 76.
It doesn't look good for our entertainment.

What you think? Just a weird coincidence or is there a massive problem upcoming?
引用自 Xaelath:
People losing its job isn't the big thing in game industry but it sure does a hint that game industry can collapse in future.

The real thing is what they make doesn't match what people wanted.
So when their games failed or happen to be not profitable or just didn't get to their expectations they'll lay off some workers or close the studio.

Look at some of those Publisher and Developer games.
Games are mainly made over quantity over quality now.
Everything now cost too much money to develop and games being sold less overtime if it's a sequel , unless that sequel is a really good ♥♥♥♥ that surpass people expectations then it might sold more.

I can't say for sure but Game industry isn't going really well right now.
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Quint the Alligator Snapper 2019 年 3 月 16 日 下午 10:09 
引用自 dynastystar
引用自 Paratech2008

* If their review says that the personal politics the developer injected into the game made the reviewer not enjoy the game, then yes, it's a relevant bad review.
* If the review says that the personal politics of the developer in a context unrelated to the game made the reviewer not enjoy the game, then that would be a non-relevant bad review.

* If the review says the the sequel is unavailable because it requires going to a different store/vendor or even different platform altogether, I think that's very relevant.
* If the review is complaining that an unrelated game from the same developer is not on Steam, then that's not relevant.
Thanks for clarifying your position. So it seems that whats being criticized here is not that the review bombs are happening, but the integrity of the reviews that happen? If I review a game, and I only list my one gripe which is still not off-topic, does it mean that it should be deleted just because a thousand other people felt the same way and did the same thing?
I think you quoted the wrong person -- I was the one who wrote those things.

If your gripe relates to the game itself, then it is relevant, regardless of what the thousand other people feel about the game.
Blitzwing 2019 年 3 月 17 日 上午 12:01 
引用自 dynastystar
Thanks for clarifying your position. So it seems that whats being criticized here is not that the review bombs are happening, but the integrity of the reviews that happen? If I review a game, and I only list my one gripe which is still not off-topic, does it mean that it should be deleted just because a thousand other people felt the same way and did the same thing?
I think you quoted the wrong person -- I was the one who wrote those things.

If your gripe relates to the game itself, then it is relevant, regardless of what the thousand other people feel about the game.
OK so people rate games and developers/publishers, legit.

So why did Steam not add simply an option to rate the developers/publishers separately?
gameplay rating/ functionality rating/company rating. Problem solved.

Example For Honor:
gameplay rating 10/10 #### is really good
functionality rating 1/10 #### but servers do crash a lot
company rating 1/10 #### Ubisoft fix servers!

or
gameplay rating positive #### is really good
functionality rating negative #### but servers do crash a lot
company rating negative #### Ubisoft fix servers!
Dr.Shadowds 🐉 2019 年 3 月 17 日 上午 12:16 
Too in depth, the question is would you recommend this game, yes, or no, state your opinion for the choice you pick, that's basically it, can't get any simpler.
Quint the Alligator Snapper 2019 年 3 月 17 日 上午 4:03 
引用自 Blitzwing
I think you quoted the wrong person -- I was the one who wrote those things.

If your gripe relates to the game itself, then it is relevant, regardless of what the thousand other people feel about the game.
OK so people rate games and developers/publishers, legit.

So why did Steam not add simply an option to rate the developers/publishers separately?
gameplay rating/ functionality rating/company rating. Problem solved.
Funny you should mention this, because I just mentioned that I liked the idea, in another thread ten hours ago.

I also mentioned in another post in another thread that tagging negative reviews with content type tags is an idea I like.

引用自 Dr.Shadowds 🐉
Too in depth, the question is would you recommend this game, yes, or no, state your opinion for the choice you pick, that's basically it, can't get any simpler.
Why the heck shouldn't it have this depth? This actually makes the choice more meaningful. Someone else telling me "No, I don't recommend the game" is nearly meaningless because I don't know why they don't recommend it or how their tastes compare to mine -- but a large number of "No, because the game crashes" reasons is very different picture from a large number of "No, because I don't like the gameplay" reasons.
Blitzwing 2019 年 3 月 17 日 上午 4:14 
引用自 Dr.Shadowds 🐉
Too in depth, the question is would you recommend this game, yes, or no, state your opinion for the choice you pick, that's basically it, can't get any simpler.
Sometime its not that simple.
And I have a bad feeling to recommend a game that does crash a lot, but is fun.
Or there are games that do work, but they are just boring. I dont want to give such games a negative rating, rather a neutral one, just describe what the game is, not ruin or promote the "indie/ casual" developer, who simply can't better.

引用自 Blitzwing
OK so people rate games and developers/publishers, legit.

So why did Steam not add simply an option to rate the developers/publishers separately?
gameplay rating/ functionality rating/company rating. Problem solved.
Funny you should mention this, because I just mentioned that I liked the idea, in another thread ten hours ago.

I also mentioned in another post in another thread that tagging negative reviews with content type tags is an idea I like.

引用自 Dr.Shadowds 🐉
Too in depth, the question is would you recommend this game, yes, or no, state your opinion for the choice you pick, that's basically it, can't get any simpler.
Why the heck shouldn't it have this depth? This actually makes the choice more meaningful. Someone else telling me "No, I don't recommend the game" is nearly meaningless because I don't know why they don't recommend it or how their tastes compare to mine -- but a large number of "No, because the game crashes" reasons is very different picture from a large number of "No, because I don't like the gameplay" reasons.
+1
Indeed the problems are not the review bombs,
but rather a system that allows only thumb up or down.

And it would be up to the people what they want to rate.
Like a simple or advanced games rating.
Si-Fi 2019 年 3 月 17 日 上午 4:41 
From my experience, i don't deem it nor find it appropriate to quote that a game crashes or its usually bad since i've dealt with the neither and there have been occasions where the developer had responded prompty since you are motivating them to do better but if it turned to insulting, then it would be a different story.

All you need to mention, "Look, there is a problem that is stopping me from having such a great time from playing this game that i cannot grant the game with a great opinion."

That is only a example of something constructive, only that you could use it and improvise on it.
最后由 Si-Fi 编辑于; 2019 年 3 月 17 日 上午 4:42
Blitzwing 2019 年 3 月 17 日 下午 12:33 
To be clear, its not easy to balance between companies and customers, but in my opinion steam should be careful there. Companies will try anything to gain more money, but customers don't have to buy products, and if they start to feel scammed, they obviously will start to avoid even more.

Anthem and fallout 76 did not fail because they were simply bad games, but because people already were not happy with Fallout 4 and Andromeda. Yes people did buy Fallout 4 and Andromeda, but at an achievement that they avoided next game.
引用自 Si-Fi
From my experience, i don't deem it nor find it appropriate to quote that a game crashes or its usually bad since i've dealt with the neither and there have been occasions where the developer had responded prompty since you are motivating them to do better but if it turned to insulting, then it would be a different story.

All you need to mention, "Look, there is a problem that is stopping me from having such a great time from playing this game that i cannot grant the game with a great opinion."

That is only a example of something constructive, only that you could use it and improvise on it.
But what about ethics and morals ?

Sure you can still play Grand Theft Auto 4 without some songs that got removed,
still its legit complain that your game was downgraded.
https://www.polygon.com/2018/4/27/17292836/gta-4-soundtrack-removed-song-list-patch

Problem is this, you can't trust the developers any more.
And there are a lot who "lets say don't do illegal stuff", but is considered not ethical.
Yes the licence for the songs did expire,
but people who did buy the game expected a certain experience from it.

Sorry, but if such system would block those reviews, the entire review system will become worthless. As usual, it is backed up by vague rules, what does lead to even more distrust.

Distrust is the worse thing you can create.
最后由 Blitzwing 编辑于; 2019 年 3 月 17 日 下午 12:34
Si-Fi 2019 年 3 月 17 日 下午 12:50 
引用自 Blitzwing
To be clear, its not easy to balance between companies and customers, but in my opinion steam should be careful there. Companies will try anything to gain more money, but customers don't have to buy products, and if they start to feel scammed, they obviously will start to avoid even more.

Anthem and fallout 76 did not fail because they were simply bad games, but because people already were not happy with Fallout 4 and Andromeda. Yes people did buy Fallout 4 and Andromeda, but at an achievement that they avoided next game.
引用自 Si-Fi
From my experience, i don't deem it nor find it appropriate to quote that a game crashes or its usually bad since i've dealt with the neither and there have been occasions where the developer had responded prompty since you are motivating them to do better but if it turned to insulting, then it would be a different story.

All you need to mention, "Look, there is a problem that is stopping me from having such a great time from playing this game that i cannot grant the game with a great opinion."

That is only a example of something constructive, only that you could use it and improvise on it.
But what about ethics and morals ?

Sure you can still play Grand Theft Auto 4 without some songs that got removed,
still its legit complain that your game was downgraded.
https://www.polygon.com/2018/4/27/17292836/gta-4-soundtrack-removed-song-list-patch

Problem is this, you can't trust the developers any more.
And there are a lot who "lets say don't do illegal stuff", but is considered not ethical.
Yes the licence for the songs did expire,
but people who did buy the game expected a certain experience from it.

Sorry, but if such system would block those reviews, the entire review system will become worthless. As usual, it is backed up by vague rules, what does lead to even more distrust.

Distrust is the worse thing you can create.
Do you understand that regarding GTA IV, they would have had to remove the song licenses eventually since some artists/singers can be cocky with how their music gets used and the developers aren't to blame for that.
You'd be grateful that some would go out of their way to give it to Rockstar for even some royalty.
The trust in a developer is irrelevant, but we all have to squeeze in some time to open a prompt dialog with them.
I even contacted someone over at Ninja Theory since i was very interested in Senua and their response was very well received.

As far as ethics and morals go, i always tend to make the right decisions and take that course of action. I am not someone who creates, never has created chaos. If someone doesn't truly understand me, well i can't do much, although i always reason with them.

As a matter of influence, people blindly follow for the wrong reasons and off go the pitchforks at some point.
最后由 Si-Fi 编辑于; 2019 年 3 月 17 日 下午 1:06
Start_Running 2019 年 3 月 17 日 下午 12:52 
引用自 Blitzwing
But what about ethics and morals ?

Sure you can still play Grand Theft Auto 4 without some songs that got removed,
still its legit complain that your game was downgraded.
https://www.polygon.com/2018/4/27/17292836/gta-4-soundtrack-removed-song-list-patch
Ethics and Morals are ethereal things. And people always assume what is moral and ethical are the things that benefit their particular side as evidenced by your choice of example. THey were legally required to remove the songs. Failing to do so would have constituted a crimeand quite literally might have resulted in the game being yanked from libraries altogether.

Problem is this, you can't trust the developers any more.
And there are a lot who "lets say don't do illegal stuff", but is considered not ethical.
Yes the licence for the songs did expire,
but people who did buy the game expected a certain experience from it.
And they got that experience. See at no point did the game state the experience would be perpetual or stay the same. The licenses expired. they had the choice between leaving them in and commiting a crime, or patching the songs out in compliance with the law.

Sorry, but if such system would block those reviews, the entire review system will become worthless. As usual, it is backed up by vague rules, what does lead to even more distrust.

Distrust is the worse thing you can create.

No reviews are being blocked. They just aren't being counted.
Si-Fi 2019 年 3 月 17 日 下午 1:09 
Even the most thoughtful would of kept a backup of the songs and still be able to listen to them. :)

And SR is correct, they certainly aren't blocking the reviews.
Nigrescence 2019 年 3 月 17 日 下午 1:17 
Yes. I certainly hope so.
Wida 2019 年 3 月 17 日 下午 1:29 
It seems more of the bean counters doing what they do in all industries. They fire people then tell the rest that they need to take up the slack. This goes on until those that remain are burned out and the company then goes to Asia to replace the people they fired. Finally, they just outsource everything to Asia and reap the products while their business slowly dies.
icvalhalla 2019 年 3 月 17 日 下午 4:56 
GPU/CPU's sure has come a long way..Alienware is so overpriced and you have a bad track record of mass murder, im just gonna stop it right here..thats what im thinking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdmH47VNiS4
Orge Lambart 2019 年 3 月 17 日 下午 10:24 
businesses are in the habit of making money.. Is gaming as a whole in trouble.. probably not.. are some studios in danger of shutting down CERTAINLY.. Is Activision/blizzard laying off some of their workforce cause of concern in regards to the industry as a whole..

absolutely not.. Video game development seems to have cycles,, when games are in full swing on development, more people are hired,, as the development winds down, those people are no longer needed..

You also mentioned Telltale games, which had nothing to do with how the gaming industry was doing and everything to do with Telltale being poorly mismanaged for years.. Their whole business model was doomed pretty much from the moment they ceased creating original IP's and moved into only doing licensed content..

Expensive licenses, combined with poorly timed sales (everyone knew when Episode 5 released the game would be on sale for 7 - 10 bucks every time).. Each new episode saw the game have a pretty hefty 50% off sale.. Why buy the product early for more money, then sit around nearly a whole year waiting for the full project to be delivered..

They also streamlined their production to put more games in faster periods of time.. Which really hurt the overall quality of their products.. The first walking dead was amazing.. then they streamlined each episode to fit in that 1 1/2 - 2 hour window and cut lots of content from the finished product..
icvalhalla 2019 年 3 月 17 日 下午 11:09 
I currently have the pleasure of an REM VR and some of the demonstrations are of games with photorealistic graphics as in identical to real life and im gonna say right now it would never work for the game industry, you guys are not well behaved enough and you would ♥♥♥♥ yourself, not normal dreams. The stuff you guys built was kind of boring in comparison..not human technology unfortunately.
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