What do you think about Zapadoslavia?

[Dawido]

Zapodaslavia - United Country of West Slavs (Poland, Czech, Slovakia), so it's something like Yugoslavia but with West Slavs

[Morkonan]

I think what they'd think about your made up country would be more important. They might like having their own countries.

[Dawido]

Also, if there is Yugoslavia ( South slavs) and Zapadoslavia ( West Slavs) so, it's means that there is also East Slavs Union?

[HypersleepyNaputunia]

the balkan experience says you need a strong leader to make it work like tito

[A&A]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ana✰Larive:

the balkan experience says you need a strong leader to make it work like tito

Or Tsar Simeon I of Bulgaria, the speedrunner xD

[Dawido]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ana✰Larive:

the balkan experience says you need a strong leader to make it work like tito

Yugoslavia was actually broken idea, like, these countries were hating each other, but west slavs like themselves

[Genvid]

I don't see why it would be needed personally

[HypersleepyNaputunia]

Ottoman tried it too different culturally
tried it, was a mess
yugoslavia tried it was ok
Polish domination of the other two would happen again just like

[Dawido]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ana✰Larive:

Ottoman tried it too different culturally
:CoalitionFlag: tried it, was a mess
yugoslavia tried it was ok
Polish domination of the other two would happen again just like :CoalitionFlag:

How you get those emojis?

[HypersleepyNaputunia]

it was war game or somthing i forget

[Qibzamtir]

I don't understand what is helpful of a state that unifies a culture group other than to to reemphasize the bonds that the group already holds. These types of states seem to often go with this idea of strength, alliance, and the bettering of cultural relations through these concepts of this type of nation, and yet it is often that at least one group in the country of the many is not treated as fairly as the others, always resulting in a balancing act of "who should we placate next?" As such, I find that an outer alliance that nations can join based on culture based on their government's decision, whether it be an alliance of simple good faith towards one another, that of economic matters, or one of military matters, will always be better, for it allows for more autonomy and self-governance, so this balancing act does not cause any stress and the people of each culture can decide by their own means. We can see an example of this in the Visegrád Group, the political alliance of the 4 Central European powers, the Hungarians, the Polish, the Czechs, and the Slovaks. Unlike a unified state of these four powers, which would force them into utter military, economic, and diplomatic ties, they instead have a proper autonomous system by being independent states, yet they are still able to emphasize their diplomacy with each other and their overall cooperation through this concept of the Visegrád Group. As such, this has lead me to believe that a state that unifies an overall culture group is much more hindered compared to simply unified states of one culture, and as such, I really just don't find a point to the entire concept of this "Zapadoslavia" aside from the matter of that it greatly allows for discussions on the political state that Europe is currently in, much like how Yugoslavia, before its formation, was also a simple concept that emerged from movements like the Illyrians and was simply discussed by the intellectuals of the 18th and 19th centuries, rather than thought of as a great possibility. This is not to say that pan-nationalist ideologies can not succeed in practice, but rather that it would simply not be beneficial to such an area with so many cultures like Europe to have another nation with similar qualities to that of what we've seen before in history that have erupted into ethnic and cultural conflicts, such as, of course, that of Yugoslavia or the predecessors that also attempted to unite the South Balkans.

[Dawido]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Mann Co. Gaming:

I don't understand what is helpful of a state that unifies a culture group other than to to reemphasize the bonds that the group already holds. These types of states seem to often go with this idea of strength, alliance, and the bettering of cultural relations through these concepts of this type of nation, and yet it is often that at least one group in the country of the many is not treated as fairly as the others, always resulting in a balancing act of "who should we placate next?" As such, I find that an outer alliance that nations can join based on culture based on their government's decision, whether it be an alliance of simple good faith towards one another, that of economic matters, or one of military matters, will always be better, for it allows for more autonomy and self-governance, so this balancing act does not cause any stress and the people of each culture can decide by their own means. We can see an example of this in the Visegrád Group, the political alliance of the 4 Central European powers, the Hungarians, the Polish, the Czechs, and the Slovaks. Unlike a unified state of these four powers, which would force them into utter military, economic, and diplomatic ties, they instead have a proper autonomous system by being independent states, yet they are still able to emphasize their diplomacy with each other and their overall cooperation through this concept of the Visegrád Group. As such, this has lead me to believe that a state that unifies an overall culture group is much more hindered compared to simply unified states of one culture, and as such, I really just don't find a point to the entire concept of this "Zapadoslavia" aside from the matter of that it greatly allows for discussions on the political state that Europe is currently in, much like how Yugoslavia, before its formation, was also a simple concept that emerged from movements like the Illyrians and was simply discussed by the intellectuals of the 18th and 19th centuries, rather than thought of as a great possibility. This is not to say that pan-nationalist ideologies can not succeed in practice, but rather that it would simply not be beneficial to such an area with so many cultures like Europe to have another nation with similar qualities to that of what we've seen before in history that have erupted into ethnic and cultural conflicts, such as, of course, that of Yugoslavia or the predecessors that also attempted to unite the South Balkans.

Holy k*rwa, you writed 2-3 sides of book just for reply