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Drjóli Slurper 2018 年 6 月 14 日 上午 8:01
Gamergate - What Happened?
Can anyone explain to me what exactly happened? Because from what I gathered, one side says one of the "gaming journalists" slept with other game devs and in return gave them good ratings, whilst another side says that male gamers were being misogynistic towards woman. Thoughts?
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Warsmith Honsou 2018 年 6 月 15 日 上午 3:48 
thought it was about some guy getting salty his gf slept around to get good game reviews.
Vincent 2018 年 6 月 15 日 上午 3:51 
引用自 Eddieth
Can anyone explain to me what exactly happened? Because from what I gathered, one side says one of the "gaming journalists" slept with other game devs and in return gave them good ratings, whilst another side says that male gamers were being misogynistic towards woman. Thoughts?
The game developers probably just horny, desperate males.
Just like me. (Kill me)
Warsmith Honsou 2018 年 6 月 15 日 上午 3:55 
she looks like the local town bicycle, i don't mean that to be rude but she really does, why would you risk your career for that, game reviews should be on merit.
Gus the Crocodile 2018 年 6 月 15 日 上午 6:51 
引用自 Radene
If actions aren't just mathematical entities, numbers positive and negative that cancel each other out, maybe you shouldn't have singled out just one of them and claimed the others are simply not relevant.
What someone should do depends on their goal. The thread topic being Gamergate and not Radene, my goal was not to assess you as a human being or calculate whether society is better off for your existence or the like, it was to describe my objection to responses you wrote in the context of specific events. The rest of your life, and what you help people with, have absolutely no bearing on that. It is okay to criticise, to state objections to specific actions because of the negative effects those actions have; you’ve done it yourself in this thread. This post, even.

I mean, if someone stabs you in the arm with a fork and appears not to notice a problem with that, it’s okay to explain that that’s a painful and damaging action; you don’t have to take stock of the fact that they volunteer at a shelter. If you review a game and discuss what you feel are its shortcomings, you don’t also have to find room to discuss all the good bits of all the other games that developer has made. This is not some active disregard of those things - they are simply not what’s being discussed in the first place.

Note that this is separate to discussions of, say, extenuating circumstances: maybe the stabby person is blind, or panicking, or has motor control issues; maybe the game developer was rushed by their publisher. Criticism of an action is also not condemnation or final judgement of a person. You may forgive them, you may understand the cause or impulse, but those things do not alter the fact that stabbing is nonetheless an action that causes pain and damage and should be avoided where possible.
Radene 2018 年 6 月 15 日 上午 7:16 
引用自 Gus the Crocodile
引用自 Radene
If actions aren't just mathematical entities, numbers positive and negative that cancel each other out, maybe you shouldn't have singled out just one of them and claimed the others are simply not relevant.
What someone should do depends on their goal. The thread topic being Gamergate and not Radene, my goal was not to assess you as a human being or calculate whether society is better off for your existence or the like, it was to describe my objection to responses you wrote in the context of specific events. The rest of your life, and what you help people with, have absolutely no bearing on that. It is okay to criticise, to state objections to specific actions because of the negative effects those actions have; you’ve done it yourself in this thread. This post, even.

I mean, if someone stabs you in the arm with a fork and appears not to notice a problem with that, it’s okay to explain that that’s a painful and damaging action; you don’t have to take stock of the fact that they volunteer at a shelter. If you review a game and discuss what you feel are its shortcomings, you don’t also have to find room to discuss all the good bits of all the other games that developer has made. This is not some active disregard of those things - they are simply not what’s being discussed in the first place.

Note that this is separate to discussions of, say, extenuating circumstances: maybe the stabby person is blind, or panicking, or has motor control issues; maybe the game developer was rushed by their publisher. Criticism of an action is also not condemnation or final judgement of a person. You may forgive them, you may understand the cause or impulse, but those things do not alter the fact that stabbing is nonetheless an action that causes pain and damage and should be avoided where possible.

It should not be a separate discussion. An action without context is meaningless, and a formalistic approach that isolates and dissects an action without taking context into accout is, at best, misguided and unhelpful.


Gus the Crocodile 2018 年 6 月 15 日 下午 9:07 
引用自 Radene
It should not be a separate discussion. An action without context is meaningless, and a formalistic approach that isolates and dissects an action without taking context into accout is, at best, misguided and unhelpful
Well, feel free to direct this to yourself from earlier in the thread, when you were perfectly happy to criticise people without knowing who they were or the details of the situation, generalising them based on your memory of previous conflicts you’re assuming are the same. (And when you’ve been willing to apply such little rigour toward this conflict, I’m not it’d be a great idea to trust that your understanding of earlier conflicts is less reductive, but I guess that’s yours to deal with)

There was context:
it was to describe my objection to responses you wrote in the context of specific events
The topic provides context, and the existing discussion provides context. When I criticised your actions as having negative effects, I was not condemning you as a person, so there was no need to bring up other good things you do. You clearly understand this: you’re here arguing about the way I’m discussing things, without feeling the need to tack on “but maybe other things you’ve said at other times are more sensible” or some such discussion of other good I may have done in my life. It’s okay for discussion to be about something specific.

You talk about “taking things into account”, but this presumes the accounting being done was about you, rather than about the effects of making particular choices. It’s like if I asked someone to take their muddy shoes off the lounge because they’re making it dirty, and they insisted I “take into account” the fact that they washed their bedsheets this morning. Great, that’s lovely, it’s nice that they know how to clean other things and do so, but it changes literally nothing about the accounting of “muddy shoes make the lounge dirty”. Looking at things in context doesn’t mean “steadily expand the domain of discussion until we hit something that paints me in a better light”; it’s about having information that would alter the conclusion if not known. So if I’m discussing this person’s overall cleanliness, those bedsheets are providing context, but if I’m discussing the problem with putting muddy feet on the furniture, they’re not context, they’re cover: a distraction, a deflection.
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