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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5L-6BboaOQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbrXZvu8bUo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFfj-nNy-IY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VTcr1aDC9U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fy50X31_ec
The Bretons were/are Celts. Not Germanic.
English is more Germanic than Bretonic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMPzNq6dBrI
Their earlier works are more "pagan" in terms of lyrics, if that's what you're after.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT4DHPQq_3s
They have many less metal songs too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs5qEAdjYqc
"Rabenschrey" also springs to mind, but not my favorite.
Danheim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bHvk2hQXoY
Wardrunna
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIHOV07XoDQ
regarding German folk from 16th century
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzDWxzcqACo
and this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D2jyuJaSAU
In term of german "paganic music", it falls under 'nordic' category, historically because used same instruments, almost same themes and was used in actual rites and some death customs rather than actual music was more involving simple "chants" and very few instruments and is
but still very little known due to transfomation in HRE while the rest on far north had more time to save their customs, and modern Noepaganism is far more complex.
Yodeling is also considered more a modern version of pagan traditional "chants" rites.
Norse poetry was singed on wars or after, but poetry as The Völuspá,
is dedicated more to ancient norse mythology and belives:
https://wikiless.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lusp%C3%A1?lang=en
Not much of this nature worshiping culture remains anymore.
Just because Hitler took inspiration by historical records written by the Roman scholars (notably such as Tacticus) doesn't therefore mean that by any logical conclusion that Germanic Paganism was merely 'made-up' for the sake of dismissal just because 'Hitler went near it'. There was a history that pre-existed before a less than 2000 years of the mythology that we have adopted today as well as long before the mere and short lived rule of Hitler back in the early-mid 20th century.
You heard of the Saxons? That's the Germans. The German family has long roots reaching out throughout the world just like the Nords. The Anglo-Saxons of Great Britain is one such example of Germanic culture as they have descended from the migration of Saxon tribes as far back when Britannia (the Roman provinces of Great Britain). The 'English' are legitimately Germans who have assimilated with the Britons of old Britannia making them henceforth Anglo-Saxons, the 'English-Germans'. So by technicality Anglo-Saxon folk music is of a Germanically rooted nature as the English are descendants of the Germanic family.
Nevertheless, Germanic folk music would of indeed existed prior to the Holy Roman empire as there wouldn't be any historical documentation of such music as I like many others would be correct in highly suspecting in relation to any such recorded relics that the folk music would of been purged and purposefully erased by the new-founded church in an effort to fight against 'heresy' as well as including any other such artefacts prior to their conversion. They would of existed, however in time the German church has taken great lengths to destroy all such artefacts thus hence we don't have any such records of it. Because it was erased from history doesn't mean it didn't exist; if the Saxons existed you can confidently guarantee that Saxon folk music would of also once existed too prior to conversion.
Sorry guys but this is all metal stuff, not like the songs I posted at all, so not what I'm looking for. But thanks anyway for trying.
Thank you :)
Ah, not German, but by coincidence I actually like Breton music too, so thanks for sharing this :)
Not the vibe I'm going for (if you see the songs I posted in the OP), but thanks anyway.
The third song is probably closest, in terms of sound, to what I was looking for, although slightly too metal towards the end. But thanks.
When I said "pagan folk" I guess I was using it for "neo-pagan" stuff that comes from Germany, like Faun. Of course, Germany does have its own pagan history up to the 8th century, and elements of it survived after that in rural folklore to this day, so I think it's incorrect to say there can be no such thing as "German pagan folk". It just relies on recreations of what we know about the pre-Christian folklore of Germany, but that's pretty much what we have to do in all of Europe anyway, since nearly all of Europe had their "pagan" traditions superseded by Abrahamism at some point in history.
Yes, but we still should be careful of lumping German (from what's now Germany) pagan traditions in with Norse ones, because there were definitely nuances and some differences between the two cultures and their versions of "paganism". This is a mistake many modern neo-pagans make, they try to lump "Viking" or Norse (i.e. Scandinavian) paganism in with Germany and the Anglo-Saxons, but the reality is that people like the Saxons had their own local cults and folklore which differed from those in Norway, Sweden, etc., even if the basic pantheon of gods and myths had close similarities. For example, Irminsul was a uniquely Saxon place of worship, it was not a cultic place of the Scandinavians. Similarly, there were holy places and their attached rituals in Scandinavia which had nothing to do with Germans.
Thanks for the music. Although the third song is probably about as opposite as you can get from "pagan", haha ;)
Still a nice tune though, I've heard that one before.
Thanks but no, the Germanic side of my heritage is German, not Scandinavian, so I am interested in the stuff that is uniquely German rather than "Norse".
It depends. There are some "neo-pagans" who are reconsturctionist and try to rebuild the beliefs from whatever is known from history, as well as the bits that survived in peasant folklore under a "Christian" cover. Depending on the area of Europe, this can be easier or more difficult to do. For example, in my grandmother's village in eastern-europe there is still a "witch" who practices folk medicine and chants that were passed down to her for generations and have nothing to do with the Bible.
Actually they did, but not first. The Baltic peoples (like Latvians and Estonians) suffered from crusades by Nordic people like the Danes and Swedes after those people were Christianized. Similarly, one of the last pagan Slavic regions (the island of Rugia) was forcibly converted by a Christian Danish invasion.
Well said. Germanic paganism has a rich history long before Hitler was born, just like the Swastika itself.
Some of the essence did survive in folklore actually. For instance, one of our historical sources for the name of the Anglo-Saxon god "Woden" comes from an old folk medicine recipe called the "nine herbs charm". Many elements of European pagan religions were blended into Christianity through folklore, for instance the Church slapping some Saint's name on a former pagan god, but elements of the pre-Christian rituals surrounding that God/Saint surviving up to the modern era. For example in one of the songs from my OP, Walpurgisnacht, the ceremony itself has taken Christian meaning, but it has definite traces of "folk belief" that some would argue are leftovers from German paganism.