What to do about Win11

[TheFounder]

So microsoft once again delivers a blow to PC users they and their crumby companies lining their pockets that are whispering in their ear, to not allow custom built (non PC company built, Dell, Acer, ETC.) PC's to run Win11. This is absolutely terrible! To bad AMD is not making their own OS as they are for the PC users. It's like microsoft aims to irritate their users and try to further monopolize anything and everything that they possibly can. What can we do as users?! How do we change their mind?!

[Mr Jt (Gog is king)]

Win 11 is a scam stick with the current one it’s better

[They always leave]

Try fedora, arch, zorin or POP
maybe with dual boot for now.

[Morkonan]

引用自 Mr Jt：

Win 11 is a scam stick with the current one it’s better

I agree, but I think Win7 Pro is better than both... At least from a "privacy" standpoint. Both 10 and presumably 11 have better innate security, but I also don't think Micro$oft fondling my 'puter and everything I could possible do with it, ever, whenever it gets the urge is "secure" either.

No content or data produced using any Microsoft product, and that's including the OS, is free from their scrutiny, collection, analysis, sales, marketing or meta-data dry-humping... per the new Windows 11 end-user User License Agreement.

%^#%## Micro$oft.

PS: To add - All that personal data, everything you've written, drawn, watched, clicked on/whatever that has anything to do with using any Microsoft product on your 'puter is also specifically, intentionally, purposefully user-identifiable, per the new Windows 11 end-user agreement. Yet, nobody out there is saying doo-doo about it, 'cause "money." :/

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引用自 Monster：

So microsoft once again delivers a blow to PC users they and their crumby companies lining their pockets that are whispering in their ear, to not allow custom built (non PC company built, Dell, Acer, ETC.) PC's to run Win11. This is absolutely terrible! To bad AMD is not making their own OS as they are for the PC users. It's like microsoft aims to irritate their users and try to further monopolize anything and everything that they possibly can. What can we do as users?! How do we change their mind?!

It's a clickbait article that suggests that Windows 11 is doing something specific to custom built PCs however the issue is TPM support. Nearly all motherboards today should have TPM support enabled out of the box, especially if they are advertised as supporting Windows 11. Some motherboards might not have it pre-enabled, and every single Windows 11 supported processor has a supported TPM already built-in which can be enabled in the BIOS settings.

The other gotcha is if you installed a previous version of Windows using a MBR in which case you have to convert your startup disk from MBR to GPT, as MBR boot doesn't support Secure Boot. Contrary to popular belief you don't have to actually enable Secure Boot as long as Setup can detect it being capable.

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引用自 Morkonan：

引用自 xX_ClaymoreHumper_Xx：

+1 for source although I have my suspicions it's about the TPM

^--- This.

It's likely someone bought a motherboard from dead stock that didn't have a TPM module and it's showing as "unsupported" in the Win11 pre-check.

引用自 Monster：

Read an article stating that they will not allow win11 install on custom built PC's. Even on the windows update screen its telling me that my PC does not meet the requirements and I have a very modern newly built PC. I have to stay updated due to business needs so its not just something silly for me and no lie, their move to not support custom PC's has irritated me. I am curious to know more about the one person who stated they also have a custom built and somehow got win11 installed on it.

See above: Whatever article you read lied to you or you didn't properly understand what it was trying to say.

TPM: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/information-protection/tpm/trusted-platform-module-overview

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enable-tpm-2-0-on-your-pc-1fd5a332-360d-4f46-a1e7-ae6b0c90645c

Not all motherboards have a TPM chip. And, some can be supported with a sort of TPM-software solution, IIRC. But, the latter sort of acts to defeat the purpose of TPM. TPM is not, however, some panacea in terms of a security measure. But, it's an attempt to provide unique hardware encryption at the lowest level possible that is "tamper resistant." (It's not tamper or malware proof. But, it is stronger than software based measures.) It's also possible there are certain privacy issues, too. "What are you doing, TPM chip?" :)

This "software solution" for TPM is actually a firmware-based solution based on the internal chipset such as the Management Engine which is outside of accessibility by any software on the PC.

As for TPM not being tamper-proof, the idea behind Secure Boot is to ideally exclude the loading of any malicious boot or kernel modules that could read the keys released by the TPM, for instance BitLocker Disk Encryption keys.

All the security functionality that the system requirements are based on are already supported in Windows 10 however Microsoft has decided that these standards should now be baseline. Windows 11 will boot and run without these components, however Microsoft considers this an unsupported state and will most likely show a warning watermark on the desktop wallpaper and in Settings.

[Daxank]

It's wild to me how this thread reads like Windows 11 hasn't already been out for several months at this point

[TheFounder]

Thanks all for the explanations. Good stuff! Certainly helps me feel better about the whole situation. I remember seeing the information that I read from multiple sources so it did have me concerned and thinking microsoft was doing something that was really low. Again, thank you.

[SparkyLab]

SInce they release the Win 11 up till now mine still said [This PC doesn't currently meet the minimum system requirements to run Win11] I am not going to install this and that, Check this and that to be able to download, so I am still using Win10.

[Siluva]

Windows 10 was already mediocre at best.
Windows 11 is just the next step of turning everything into garbage.

When Windows 10 support will stop, I'll just embrace Linux.

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

Be like me then
wonder what Linux is.
install Ubuntu on an old laptop.
Then dualboot Manjaro kde on your desktop
(kde looks similar to windows by default, but can be tweaked to look like anything)
going down the Linux rabbit hole, making your own minimal Arch install, distro and desktop hop every couple of weeks/months. (kde plasma is best change my mind)
Get excited everytime a game you paid money on finally works on Linux :D

And all of that in 1 Year. Daily driving linux for about half a year now

[【ＴｈｅＢｏｓｓ】]

引用自 Monster：

What to do about Win11

https://youtu.be/nJxo6HYvOdw

[grape cough syrup]

Source?

[TwisterCat]

How about y'all declare me the Gamer Emperor, and I'll solve this issue of ours. There may be blood, there may even be guillotines and planes, but I'm more than happy to raise a small army of warriors to settle the score with Microsoft.

Otherwise, there's an old saying. "When Microsoft does it, you're ♥♥♥♥♥♥."

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

引用自 xX_enzodu13_Xx：

win11 is just a reskin of win10
you can skip that

btw windows community is the worst, they always blame you and defend microsoft no matter what
is windows too slow ? its your fault for not having a ssd
does windows consume too much memory ? its your fault not having enough memory
do you want to uninstall edge/self installing apps/privacy invasive features ? its your fault not accepting them

windows is perfect, you are the problem

引用自 xX_enzodu13_Xx：

win11 is just a reskin of win10
you can skip that

btw windows community is the worst, they always blame you and defend microsoft no matter what
is windows too slow ? its your fault for not having a ssd
does windows consume too much memory ? its your fault not having enough memory
do you want to uninstall edge/self installing apps/privacy invasive features ? its your fault not accepting them

windows is perfect, you are the problem

But windows is really dependend on an ssd.
I can say that first hand with my intel celeron laptop, taking windows 10 like 5 minutes to boot up and start edge (most lightweight browser on windows from my experience)
Meanwhile a lightweight linux system boots and starts firefox in 1 Minute.

Although windows is pretty ok with an ssd, which is pretty much the standard on most computers right now if we're honest. But if you run an old hdd, ya gotta prepare for some hefty load times

[【ＴｈｅＢｏｓｓ】]

引用自 TwisterCat：

How about y'all declare me the Gamer Emperor, and I'll solve this issue of ours. There may be blood, there may even be guillotines and planes, but I'm more than happy to raise a small army of warriors to settle the score with Microsoft.

Otherwise, there's an old saying. "When Microsoft does it, you're ♥♥♥♥♥♥."

I for one, welcome our Yuumi overlord. 😺